How We're Planning to Fix Bundle Keys and Contributor Values (Option #1 Revised)

I guess if you're washing your hands off abusers breaking various bundle sites' rules and you don't care about that, this is the best solution.

It's better than the original option 1, but still does not distinguish between bundle key giveaways (the problem) and tradable item giveaways of games that happen to be in bundles (not a problem, right?). Without that distinction, I still think there are issues with this proposal, because people who did nothing wrong can still be penalized. So it's not ideal, but I guess it's OK. I think I'd still like to see some discussion on a simple yes/no contributor system with no values involved.

Go for it, this is perfect!

Just make sure the list can be seen from the "create giveaway" page and/or even better, a warning when creating a giveaway for a bundle-game and might even a calculation of what the value is, determined by the creators stats.

Not only will this make it easier for a lot, it will properly also save support and forum from a lot of the same questions :)

What about having games valued low if they are part of a bundle and give the user an option to verify his giveaway as a gift copy to get the full value. It could be done by gifting the copy to a steamgifts email and then the website checks the email received and verifies it is a gift copy. Sounds complicated but could work (similar to the emails sent to your facebook email end up as messages in your facebook account).

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This sounds like a good system to me - as fair as possible.

This is the best option so far.

Nobody will want to give away thoose 200+ games once in the bundles.

It will be a big hit to giveaway counts,still,can be applied.

I think it doesn't fix the main issue of this, although there is one way to avoid all that. I don't like how this will discourage people from buying games that were already in bundles; it actually hurts their sales, even if in tiny amounts. And indie devs are the ones who need more support as opposed to the bigger studios, whereas they are favoured by this on the site. Thing is, the "help" that this new system will provide to bigger publishers/developers is too small for them, but it would be significantly bigger for an indie developer.

Any chance to have a check if the game given away is a gift or a key? I know it wouldn't solve the situation for Amazon buyers, but it would eliminate the problem for the vast majority of these purchases.

And for the record, I know that there are games that "multiply", such as The Ship or Nuclear Dawn, but having one or two games excluded from the proposed gift check is not a huge problem.

Great! Thanks for reviewing this option

Love it. Make sure you change the rules to allow bundles. Once it's fixed, I look forward to winning and giving some of the games on that list. :)

It really sounds like an improvement over the current system. So to say, the bundle-issue of all giveaways is simply handled by maintaining the bundle list. It seems it reduces the burden to everyone involved. So far, the best option of the ones offered.

I'm 100% behind this. Slighlty affect my contribution level (by $2 lol) but I think it's the fairest way to deal with the problem.

Not perfect but by far the best deal for everyone so far. 85% behind it ;)

This solution is great, but I just cant understand, why are games from bundles (even those 1-2 years old), which never had single key for each game still considered bundle games. One key for HIB1 is worth a lot more than the most expenive game in the bundle.

Great idea, I have nothing bad to say about it now ;)

This is overall pretty great. The one issue I have is that there still isn't anything in place to counteract price drops; for example, Sonic Generations cost $20 more at launch than it does now, but everyone who gave it away at launch receives contributor value equal to its current price. Setting contributor value to the point value of the created giveaways at the time of their creation would be a good way to fix this.

First of all, I really like the new system. But I have a question/suggestion: I think games that were only(!) in a Humble Bundle should be whitelisted. Cause you get only one key for all the games in a Humble Bundle and so you aren't able to give away single games from the bundle.

Wonderful! I think this is a very good solution.

Sounds fine to me, I have nothing to add.

Beautiful solution.

Even better, I say :)

Love points 1 & 2...not really a fan of #3. $25 is a lot when it comes to bundle/abused keys.

All i want to say is that whatever you choose as a solution, it cannot be retroactive.

I like this except for one problem. Like you said, over 200 games have been in bundles and that number is going to increase rapidly. This means that in a near future, it will be difficult to gift a game that hasn't been in a bundle. This would mean that most new users would just get stuck on the $30 mark unless they gift some really expensive game or a game that for some reason hasn't been in a bundle (yet).

Now this is fine if these users are bundle gifters, but for those that actually give away legitimate gifts, it sucks. I would suggest (as many others also have) to somehow distinguish between gifts and keys. Maybe ask the question "is this a gift or a key?" and if the gifter chooses "gift", it should be made clear on the giveaway page that it should be a gift. If the gifter then send a key instead, the winner could report that, just like they can report "not received", and give the gifter bad feedback.