http://www.theblaze.com/about/
Uh huh.
Anyway going to the original site - Odd how they have all those photos of the scene, but not one of the "priest".
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.. No, he told ThreePipeProblem that maybe, one day, he himself will have one of what he mentioned - "a story". What kind of story? Look at what ThreePipeProblem was referencing by his use of "I've read so many stories". A story similar to this one - one with unexplainable nuances, a suggested "miracle". Nothing else. Your grasp of semantics is lacking.
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so basically it seems priest walks up inspires fire crew to do their job, poor young lady survives good job everyone, their doesnt seem to be a whole lot of miracles going on to me but i am a sceptic itd take some real angels appearing stuff for me to believe
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Just because you don't believe doesn't mean you "know better". Also, I don't think it's smart to imply that everyone who believes in God is a child. Most people believe in some God.
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Why choose hate? We're talking about christian God here and christianity is about love. So... love people because even if you are not a believer it's the right thing to do :)
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Oh come the fuck on, that's not true and if you have even the slightest clue about the history and teachings of Christianity you know it. "Loki" and his flaming sword, blood of the lamb? Genocidal crusades? A lot of Christianity is extremely contradictory in what it teaches, and then there's how its' interpreted and exercised, as well.
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There are MANY types of Christian religions, the Catholic is one of the most cruel ones, thankfully, I am an Orthodox Chistian, and NEVER it was implied to hate others. Sadly, Orthodoxy is something that exists in very less countries...
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Have you actually read the bible some time? Orthodox or not, you still have Loki as well as many violent acts described in it.
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Come on man. Assholes like you give atheists like me a bad name by being a condescending douche, and somehow misspelling the word "Decent."
you do realize that when you make sweeping generalizations about a group of people,you end up making only yourself look bad.
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Good for you man, and you know what?
I'm OK if a garbage person like you call me asshole, because I think that garbage people use faith and christianity and all their magic stuff to justify their sins, and being a garbage person, just by going to the church once a week, and judging everyone else they want to, just because they are not "smart enough" to see how cool is it that you can justify wars, and everything else with your religion, just because any1 who diagrees you is a spawn of satan and must never be right.
Hyporcritic garbage.
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I somehow have a sneaking suspicion you've not actually studied religion yourself but rather operate on hearsay and what you read others say about it all.. Have you ever opened a book of the Bible, Torah, or Koran? And just to be clear - I am an agnostic, not religiously inclined, and have studied a bunch of stuff from various religions to get to the conclusions I have now, myself. I also know all about the failings of religion throughout history and its' many issues, and am personally against 90% of organised religion, and then in particular the dogmatic parts of it. Just stating it so you don't try and attack me for being a "garbage person" purely for disagreeing with you - like you did with AgentCoop - as well.
I don't think you have the required intellect and / or age to use big words like "hypocritical".. You apparently can't read, either. Try reading what AgentCoop said one more time, slowly. Very slowly. And just to make sure - do you know what the word "condescending" means? And do you know what giving someone or a group of people "a bad name" means?
Good luck on your journey of discovery through life. I hope you're still a kid, or it would really mean your (adult) mind is mush.
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You know that b*tching about grammar means you gave up your point already in the arguemnt, right?
Not everyone is born in english speaking country.
And yes, you can talk all day about reiligion, history, and the books that those religions are based on, but you know what? Go out from your house, and actually meet people who believe in those religions. So you will might notice a slight difference between the teaches of those religions, and what those believers think is right.
You can speak all day, all I have to say is tell me where chrisitanity sais war, hatred against different people, and judging other people is good. Why? Because that's what most of those people do. The do garbage their leaders say, instead of the teachings the actual holy books say.
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"Bitching about grammar"? No, dumbass, I was saying you totally missed the entire point of the comment you were replying to and mistakenly thought AgentCoop was a religious person was disagreeing with you because of it, when all he was saying was "I'm also an atheist, please don't act like such a condescending (hope you googled what that word means) asshole to religious people because it makes all atheists look like assholes".
Besides that, I didn't complain in any way whatsoever about your grammar - although yes, it is atrocious, as well as your spelling. And yes, you might not be a native English speaker - but the nature of your language mistakes goes far beyond simple grammar and spelling mistakes that you might expect from a non-native speaker. You have logical fallacies in what you say, as well as semantic problems. These both fall outside of the scope of language, and have to do rather with reasoning - the thought process behind the words, whatever the language.
Anyway - thanks. You've just disqualified your own reasoning. You're saying that religion itself (what's in the books) isn't the problem, the way it's practised and expressed is ("tell me where Christianity says war, hatred against different people, and judging other people is good?"). Right, ok. So if that's true, then why automatically say that all people who follow Christianity are "garbage people"? By your logic, if they're following the true teachings of the book, they should be decent, good people. So it makes absolutely no sense to hate on all Christians in the retarded way you've done, so far.
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Besides he is an Atheist, I have to tell you something. If God exists, then he doesn't care if you BELIEVE in him or not, Christianity's God doesn't actually want to force you to believe in him, and he won't do so. If there is God (depending on Christianity, at least the Orthodoxy one), then he wants you to believe in the rights of every being. Humans AND animals. If you kill, swear, insult, torture, make wars, etc., he will send you to Hell, it's easy, any God can do this, not only the human God. But if you are a good being and care about the other beings, he will take you to the Heaven of the humans, because you treated other beings like you SHOULD, and that's what you HAVE to do, ATHEIST OR NOT, you HAVE to care about others. It's true that many Christian will probably go to hell, if not the majority of the human beings, but because of that, it doesn't make ALL of religious people bad. And do you know what? ALL the politicians who destroy our world, ALL the humans who destroy our world, EVERYONE OF THEM, are 100% Atheists. They just show that they are religious so people will be calmer and such... But they don't believe in God, and so they don't believe that there is an afterlife where they are gonna get punished, so they do whatever they want to do! Religious is good, well, except Islam and it's stupid holy war. Lastly, I can ensure you that after life exists, it's just a different world where your soul is being transferred to, because of this, your soul forms your body, and that's why you are a magical being, able to bend magical elements, after going to a school to train. I am a magical being living as a human because I used a spell to sacrifice myself and kill some demon armies that were attacking the heavens of Earth, sadly a God can not be revived in a magical or divine pool, but he has to live as a non magical being in a random being depending on the planet which his heaven represents... Damn, I hate being a human, I am the God of the Animals, and I relive a human life.... What's more worse than this??? At least I could relive a life of a lost soul, instead of a human being, or at least an animal... I would have already been in heaven by now.
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I added some of my analysis, questions if you will to the first post. Take a look at it.
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Sorry but that's not an analysis - that's suggested explanations based on speculation, which is entirely fine! Just don't call it an "analysis" - it's better if that word keeps its' objective meaning and intent ;)
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So firefighters were losing their shit and a friendly priest calmed them down so they could do their job. That's wonderful, but what part of it involves divine intervention?
If you want to see miracles, you'll see them everywhere. Doesn't mean there's anything supernatural going on.
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If you see miracles everywhere you're paranoid ;)
There are some extreme cases which can't be fully explained, like this one.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice."
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That's not only a stupid, meaningless platitude, it's also wrong. I don't believe, and yet there is an explanation that suffices for me.
To address your points one by one:
a) Yes, coincidence. People can be priests, you know? Do you think it's a miracle every time you see a priest? He simply happened to be in the right place at the right time.
b) He's a priest. Annointing oil is one of the tools of his trade. Chances are he was on the way to somewhere when he came across the accident, and brought the oil with him for whatever he had planned to do.
c) Priest carry a lot of authority, especially to highly religious people. And it's not much of a stretch that people living in a tiny town in Nowhere, Missouri would be highly religious.
d) What did you think he would say? "Oh no, all is lost everyone is going to die" or something? It's only natural that he would have said everything will be alright if he wanted to calm people down.
e) Likely he was just passing through. Maybe this is a shock to you, but some people do not stay in the same town all their life.
f) He saw things were under control and continued his journey in order to not be late for whatever he had to do.
See, perfectly mundane explanations. There's no need to drag in divine intervention for something that can be easily explained. That's what I meant by seeing miracles everywhere. People interpret it as an angel appearing because they ignore rationality and only see what they want to believe.
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There's no need to copy this post everywhere, I replied to the one below.
Edit: Well, you deleted your post and my comment with it. Sorry, but I'm not going to write all that again.
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I deleted my post because I accidentally posted it twice.
I'm interested in what you had to say though, even though I'm not sure if it would be anything new.
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Oh wait, I found it in my Replies menu.
People who don't believe have explanation for everything, trust me on this. I know a few atheists which will explain every little thing that was ever called "a miracle". They will explain everything that happens in Catholic religion, christianity and so on.
So which is it? No explanation is sufficient for me, or I have an explanation for everything? Do try to be a little consistent. And yes, they do try to explain everything that's happened. If you think that's a bad thing, you should ask yourself why. Are you afraid it might be true?
It's either you believe or you don't. Simple as that. If you believe no explanation is actually necessary for you because it's "just another miracle" you hear about. But if you don't believe then you will try to rebuke every argument, clue, whatever that might lead to belief that it was actually a miracle.
To discuss an idea is to test its validity. Why else did you bring up this topic? If you believe your faith is above discussion, then obviously your faith is too weak to endure that test. If you ignore the rational explanation of an event and impose your own supernatural interpretation of it, you might as well call everything a miracle. If I press "Submit Comment", this message will magically appear on the screens of dozens of people across the world! Surely it must be the work of angels, not electrical impulses traveling across a global network!
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I don't like when people tag something as "can't be explained"; it's not "can't be explained" ,it's "can't be explained for now" or "I can't explain this because I don't know enough about it". The only time I'll believe something can't be explained is when I'd have supreme knowledge and I wouldn't be able to explain something.
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Of course humans can do good. But I also believe in angels.
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Obviously it's because those children in Africa hasn't accepted Jesus. :O
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Yeah, it's not like 3 of the top ten most christian countries in the world are in Africa.
Oh wait, they are. That's right, Africa has some of the highest infection rates, I mean acceptance rates of Christianity in the world.
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Remind me, how much percent of the African population is christian? And christianity would be spread in the more advanced regions of Africa, and id the problem with the dying children is there?
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Over 60% of the population is christian in Africa, which is essentially everything except for norther Africa which is predominantly Muslim. Many countries in Africa, including most of those which are effected the most by famine and the rampant spread of HIV destroying their populations have infection rates of Christianity in excess of 80% and often 90%. I know we're talking starving babies specifically, so HIV doesn't enter into the initial conversation, but as it's a larger threat to the population in many cases, the fact that the church is so adamantly anti-contraception and anti sex education is greatly to blame for the spread.
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You're saying these things like you were there.
Plus you diminished a lot of things in your "version", omitted some more and twister another ones.
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Fuck, one of these posts... Can't argue with a religious nut we're obviously all wrong. And heres some laughs for people that don't take themself too seriously. Street Fighter Church edition - Church Fighter
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Damn I linked the wrong version updated for more epic church fighter. Church Fighter
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a) If there's a chance for something to happen and it happens then there's nothing weird about it.
b) The chances are 1 in 1,000,000, even so if something happened despite those chances then it's something happened despite those chances, no need to be superficial about it.
c) It's actually very possible and very easy to bring calm to a small crowd If you know how and especially if they trust and believe in you(priest).
d) Err, didn't he try to calm them? What else would he say in that situation? that she's gonna die? it sure would've calmed them. .__.
e) He might not be from the town or anywhere near it.
f) If he isn't from the area it wouldn't be so easy to find him.
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I really don't think I need to say a whole lot besides the fact that theBlaze is a spawn of Glenn Beck, formerly the biggest troll at Fox Noise. It's a story presented to us, at the very least, secondhand. It was an emergency situation, people were tense, stressed, afraid, etc. As for the actual situation, the victim was trapped for at least an hour according to the article, so if she was going to bleed out, she'd already be dead, I'd wager she wasn't going to die and getting her out would have been a matter of time. That's besides the point, without witnessing anything in person with time to digest all possibilities of what occurred, I'm not going to jump to conclusion about seemingly supernatural occurrences. Because, y'know, I'm a skeptic.
Anyways, you wanted discussion, I hope that was civil enough.
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There is no possible way that this so-called "priest" was anything but the imagination of people's minds. When is the human race stop giving all the credit to something not there and take the credit for themselves? Good job self for getting an A+ on that test, ...for getting that job, ...for saving that life. We need to start thanking those that do good, then thanking something not even there.
We grow up being taught that Santa Clause is "real", and when we get an older age, we learn it is nothing but a Fairy Tale. When are people going to realize that the same thing applies to religion, when are we going to wake up and finally open our minds, and our eyes, to the real world instead of hiding behind a fake one.
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There are plenty of ways he could have been real though. He's just some guy that saw an accident and helped out the best way he could.
Doesn't mean he's an angel,but it doesn't mean he's some kind of mass hallucination either.
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Oh, I entirely agree on that. I'm not fond at all of attributing human actions to some divine force, for good or for bad.
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Am I the only one that sees that humanity is addicted to these type of stories ?
Let's say she was about to die so God sends "an angel" or a priest to save her;what makes her special compared to the other people that die in car accidents everyday ?
Other than this,I have no opinion about this since I wasn't there and I can't really(or more likely won't try) verify the story and/or events.
I advise people to always try to see any type of news from an objective perspective,not the believer that just waits for this kind of "proof" to shove it down the heathen's throat or the non-believer that just waits for this kind of "proof" to show how "insane and guillable" the believers are.
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The problem is that it happened in America :V
If someone farts in america, it's news worthy across the globe, if the same happens on another country, almost no one in the world talks about it. That's one of the reasons I hate the media in general.
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And also this typical "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice.". It's the same as saying; "Whoever agrees with me then it's perfect, but those who don't will never get it."
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Hmmmm, that would explain alot of things.
P.S: Not hating on religious people, just hating on people who just also happen to be religious.
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Good old typical western imperialism that's why the rest of the world hates NATO... among other things.
The saying is true and you could use it as a counter. You MAKE whatever you believe in true. Ghosts? Myths? I tried a day where I found a way to say that vampires were why the world was the way it was and it worked. Now I don't believe that. Also note that it's much easier with an all-powerful being, especially with the philosophy that God allows everything to happen: you didn't pick up that rock, you asked God and he actually let it happen.
And as others have said it could be a real priest and if it is then give him credit for calming a crowd when it was needed.
Now you can't immediately say that God isn't real, etc. because it's really not possible to say it didn't happen, and saying that would mean you'd have to subscribe to some of the principals of science.
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'murica, the country of the miracles and jesus toast
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Plenty of Christians believe God does not directly intervene in Earthly matters.
Christianity is a very large religion with many, many subgroups. Just because someone doesn't believe an angel came down to earth to save someone in a car crash doesn't mean they're an atheist.
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Lies, seriously? An angel priest? I don't believe this Amish bullshit.
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What are your thoughts on this?
Personally, I believe in this.
I have just one request to you people, don't let this thread turn into attacks on religion or on one another. Let's just have a nice, civilized conversation. I think we can do it :)
The interesting things which are worth analyzing:
a) It was a priest. Coincidence?
b) He had oil with him. A priest in a middle of nowhere has oil with him. What are the chances?
c) He said to be calm and everyone who were there actually fell "calmness" on them. In a serious situation like this do you think it's possible to make everyone calm with just one sentence and make all of them actually feel this calmness in one moment?
d) He said they will rescue this person. So... he just took a wild guess? 50/50?
e) This town (Center, Missouri), population 508 in 2010. Do you think that no one would actually know this priest? In towns like these everyone knows everyone and believers even know priests from neighboring parishes.
f) And he just disappeared and can't be found.
If you've read those points there's only one thing left for me to say:
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice."
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