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Missusing this as a profile wall, since I get confused with profiles otherwise ;-> (And I get the notification here faster ;-)
Tried your new version out and it's working (at least a good trade, didn't tried neutral) Assuming you didn't unblacklist me already^^
tl;dr of the following: Nope, not giving my sets to a LevelUp Bot and do not plan to do so, but I don't really care about blacklist either.
Originally I planned on selling the sets (manual on SG) for a fair price (something between marketprice without and with fees) and then crafting the ones I couldn't get rid of ^^.
But thanks to the LevelUp Bots the prices dropped to nirvana and thats not possible anymore ^^. Basically I would make more when selling my cards on the market and buying keys for it, than when trading for 19:1 or whatever the current ratio is. And thats just not worth the effort.
My Thread, last bumped half a year ago ^^ https://www.steamtrades.com/trade/S9mBn/h-card-sets-w-card-sets-1v1-cards-tf2-or-csgo-keys-wallet-refs.
So my current plan is to wait for the next summer sale and craft most of the sets (either myself or with a bot, if I have lvl5).
So I as long as nothing (in the card/set trade buisnees) changes in terms of limitations by valve or common price for sets I won't sell sets to anyone ;->
I can guarantee that I am not using any bot software besides (a slightly modified) ASF and don't intend to. Further I do not know or are related to someone with a LevelUp Bot and have never traded with one (checked 2 out to see what information they list, but thats it) ;->
All my (completed) sets are being moved to my second bot and I am pretty sure (wanted to check, but the history is a pain in the ass) the last time a full set was removed was in the last summer sale to craft myself.
For the other stuff. I basically use my bots to farm cards and sort my inventory. Normally I would have my Main account with 12k cards and STM setting. So loading is a pain in the ass and trading is limited.
I now use 3 inventory bots. #2: Only full sets "Storageroom", #3 cards that are enough for a set (STM setting) and #1 all leftover cards (ANY setting). So #1 is the actual trading bot that allows for more trades and minimzes loading time.
So I just "splitted" the inventory and trades from my main to optimize performance and maximize helpfulness^^.
Since you stated that all other bots get blacklisted I'm fine with that. I can not understand people getting mad or reporting you, since it is your bot, and your cards and you can literally do whatever the hell you want ;->
Thanks to archi there are a shitload of bots and trading got really easy. Furthermore I only trade from my end occasionally (in the last 1-2 months I made 5 new bots and bought a big bunch of cheap games, so it was a lot more than usual).
My "default" state is my main farming some games (not enough for a set) and my bots not doing anything. Only if theres a cheap bundle or free games my bots farm as well and I get enough for sets. So I finish a couple of sets myself once or twice a month.
Therefore I do not really care about beeing blacklisted (especially since you still allow neutral / good trades). I'm happy if you unblacklist me, but if you think it might be unfair against others or other people might complain, you can keep me on the list. If there really should be a card I can't get anywhere else and need right now, I still could trade with my main or one of my other bots Ok, I actually didn't checked if you blacklisted all or just #3 but even then I could ask a friend to trade for me^^, but this has never happend so far ;->
Ok, that got way longer than I planned but anyways ;->
Have a nice day
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haha longer than i expected.
All bots except for #1 have been unblacklisted.
Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between stash accounts, bot accounts, etc...
From trade bots, I usually block only the bot account. The main account is free to keep trading to finish their sets... but since you had an alt with a huge amount of sets, i suspected you were selling them, reason why i blocked all of them.
About people reporting me... I have been told already that there is 1 group that just wants my bot to get locked down.
The reason is that the blacklist function on ASF was requested by me (I paid archi to do a custom build for me... that he asked if it was ok to implement on the official version because more people were requesting it).
So, while it is true that with ASF out there we got plenty of bots, if all of them (or at least the ones with inventory variety) start blocking them... it will be a bit of a headache for their trades
(even though those bots can easily make over 100 keys profit in a week... so creating an alt to trade is not difficult, only gives them some work.)
The second reason is... after i started blocking them, the amount of sets I got with only 1 card repeated X times decreased a lot, even though every now and then a new bot/alt/etc account appears and snatch all of the distinct cards...
so I fear in some cases i`m the only bot that has cards useful for them... and out of their reach, which contributes to the rage
They can try to keep reporting... worst it will happen is Robou to say I should allow all trades or lose trade bot status on STM
Since Tinkerbell allowed me to blacklist people, i don`t see that happening.
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Ok, thanks. I'll try to pick dupes that you have the fewest of, if I need to trade ;->
Jea, I think you bot is just one of the most "good-looking" ones. You have a lot of games with a lot of cards.
My bot hast 2.5k cards atm, which is not too bad. But there is guaranteed no set inside (amount of cards for a set). For some games even only one card.
The only one for my bot looking fishy (with many and big trades) is "arctor" all others have only very few trades and always only a few cards. But I have the advantage that the "replace all by one card" is not really a problem, since I do not have so many cards of each game^^.
Thats what I always wondered. how are they doing this. How do they get their cards? It took me a year to get 1.3k sets. Do they just have 100 or 1000 bot accounts and wrote bots to grab free games or are they buying cards on the market / boosterpacks and try to sell them for more? And how do they make profit? Because even selling on the market gives you more and I am in €, so I'm having high steam fees... I don't get their buisnees model.
If I had a russian account (with lower fees) I would buy the bots empty and sell the cards on the market ...^^.
And if they get the cards from drops/boosters there should be not so much drops of one card to empty a bot but only the last few sets for each game should need completion.
Thats just questions I asked myself, dunno if you can/want to answer them ;-)
And for the group... Thats just childish and dump. "I can't have it, so noone should." like a toddler. I actually thought I don't need to blacklist anyone (since I don't have problems so far), but if these people go out of their way to destroy (or try to) helpful stuff for other people ... If someone would drop me a list of numbers I guess I would copy it^^ Ok, first I need to upgrade to the newest ASF... maintaining a own version is a pain in the ass ;-> Ah, damm, need a new VS version I think ;-<
But I think Robou and the rest of the community will stand behind you.
As I said. A botowner can literally do what he (or she) wants. If one decides to decline every third trade or trades with an even id, than thats totally ok. And you have an even better reason ^^.
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something quite close to what you expect....they use the difference in steam fees on the cheapest sets and multiple idleing bots (that i got no clue how they get so many keys... but that`s up to them)
Check for example... http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/753/582580-From%20point%20To%20point
it costs 0.05* (edit) usd per card . In my currency, with fees it costs 0.02 usd.
Steam rounds up the Steam fee / game fee when converting value so it shows you as 0.03 usd/eur because it is the lowest value it can be sold in those currencies.
Now it is true... it would only give me 21 sets of this game per key...
But then, let me put a buy order for 100 of each card from the set 0.01 usd lower.... and wait.
Link that with free games.... etc...
and you got your source of profit.
About bots...
the reasoning about blocking card bots is just that if it is meant to help community... duping their repeated to make their inventory more appealing is not useful.
about card set bots, my real problem is not the maount of repeated cards...
it is this:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/WaRKK/community-thoughts-on-card-sets-selling-bots-and-scammers-ga-inside
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