Should such games be on steam?
lots of open-minded people on sg.
i would like to see what would be their opinion if they had their countries bombed to death instead?
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If that game would actually provide a good solid story around such event, like the dragon cancer game.
But it doesn't.
Also the poll is about such games being on steam or not, one can care about people having ther house bombed yet don't view such games needing to be on steam.
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I edited it slightly as you noticed it because i don't feel for such debate, but a few single countries can't provide financially (and it does happen by giving refugees free housing, money, healthcare) and in other ways for the rest of the world, because some political leaders are dictators and make a mess. Just as we keep seeing the commercials for as long as 30 years about underfed children in Africa (the goverment there needs to be changed, not keep pumping in money).
Syria is being media hyped while there are many more wars out there that don't get the attention, we should all take those in too? Or not because you can't see them in the media?
I really feel bad and sad for all those that suffer, but a few countries can't keep saving the rest, there needs to be changed alot, politically, not financially.
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Newsflash 90% have an economic crisis, they don't have the resources to save the rest.
Atleast my newspapers do keep mentioning that pretty much every day and what the results it lead too (poor elderly care, increase of healthcare costs, loss of jobs, people having to result to food banks and a whole lot more).
You can have your views but i am done with the whole discussion which is turning into a refugee thing and this isn't about it.
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If you google "refugee effect" you can see that the consensus is that they do not cause a significant damage to a country GDP, and may in fact increase it eventually. Likewise job loses in "native" population are minimal. Fact is, immigration is a hated issue for a lot of people, even though those same people may have come from immigrant families in the past.
Like I said before, why should this topic be restricted to gaming, and be only told in movies or books? If the game is bad (i dont know), so what? Arent there bad movies or books too?
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Have you also seen crime numbers and stories?
You are from Brazil that has not faced a single effect from the refugees in Syria.
I am for freedom of speech, i don't mind being it on here, though i question the subject and how it's made, but i am also not seeing this being the end and it will open up something to even more extremes.
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We have refugees from Syria too, but obviously in a much less number than closer and richer countries. I get you dont want to discuss this and wanst the purpose of the topic, but you did say some stuff that I felt should be noted. Yes, I googled numbers. What I got its thats not a significant thing, close to the same values of "native" population. The difference is that the press report it more. Interestingly, I read that refugees from regions in war, which could bring "fake" refugees like ISIS members (syria, iraq) commit less crimes than the ones who arent (algeria, georgia).
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Well as i stated in a previous comment, media is alot propaganda too, you will say they they show the bad things more, i disagree by them keeping alot of the bad stuff out. It might even depend on what country you will be getting to read and thus believe in.
Even google will give you different top results and some sites filtered based on the country you are in.
The events regarding refugees in Germany on New Years eve, and the many violence incidents inside refugee camps (like the stabbed volunteer i believe in Switzerland) have happened, regardless of numbers.
And It does not even matter if they truely commit less crimes or not as you put, 1 person from Syria or anywhere else that is so stressed out and disturbed or in the name of ISIS to have a bomb and blow himself up or drive a truck like in Nice, that's enough.
Summarizing the whole thing, it's the refugee issue that influenced alot of people in Europe versus something as a freedom of speech (which as you put it has a right just as well in games as in books and movies).
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They dont commit less crime than natives, they commit less crimes than regions not at war, even though we assume that regions at war could bring terrorist members disguising as refugees (therefore doing more crimes).
Those events have happened, but so do others from native population. They commit killings and rapes too. If they are similar in numbers, why the distinction? If "thats enough" for refugees, why not "thats enough" for natives? Terrorism and their goal of mass-murder is linked mostly to immigrants though, which so far havent been any from Syria I think, but african countries.
I dont have a solution, besides investigating them closely. But rejecting them due to a few seems extreme. One of the analogies I heard was "Would you eat a bowl of candies knowing a few are poisoned?". I dont think its a good one. People arent candies, you have to take in consideration the fact that those people need help. The vast majority are peaceful citizens who are escaping conditions that are subhuman, or just regular immigrants who think the destiny country gives them a better chance to live.
Anyway I think this discussion is outside the scope here, so I guess we should stop. But its important to know that the statistics shows people belief that immigrants commit far more crimes isnt true.
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People from warzones will be stressed (just as soldiers coming out of war with PTSD) certain countries lock up only men together with all that testosteron building up (which also mean the homosexual moslims and facing the problems of the moslims that aren't tolerant against it).
Or just alone the feeling of being locked up, it's simply not healthy and some will succumb and thus there are many violent incidents.
I am not stating i am restricted as someone in jail or in a refugee camp but i am in ways also trapped and restricted and i see and feel the stress what it does to me, let alone what it would do with someone permanently restricted.
Syria refugees are mostly locked up in camps for now so yeah they aren't out there in society, but they will be, with their problems, and that's not that they will be more criminal or terrorists, but it's stress.
I can say alot more about how i disagree on those numbers (there is a clear distinction of immigrants and their children (who technically are natives) or that have had their families live in these countries for generations), but i am leaving it here also.
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Where did i ever state any of the attackers such as Nice, Paris or Brussels, was a refugee?
That's just putting words in my mouth.
I only stated the stabbing and other violent incidents, many of them in refugee camps, not more.
Even if not from Syrian, but an immigrant from Tunis, the outcome is the same, an outsider, most of them atleast an affinity with ideas such as IS, even if they are born in Belgium, France or wherever.
And again stress, you take that out of account too, most are still in refugee camps, what you think that will happen when they get out, they will all able to adapt, when so many soldiers suffer from PTSD can't?
Corvo and me already agreed to stay on topic, on the actual game and the place for it on steam or not, so let's do that please.
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yes, i get it was about the game being on steam or not, but some replies here show the opposite.
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It doesn't look like a game to me it's a media work which is meant to show what some people have to try and deal with, why would one want to censorship a piece of media work by doing that you are stopping freedom of speech. From an ethical point the piece of software is free so it's not like they are trying to profit of tragedy, seems to me they just want to share the story
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why not? there are tons of crappy Trump simulator games on Steam and you find this something dangerous?
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Aren't most of those Trump games not to just mock him?
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I bet most people who complain about this one are okay with Steam games that blatantly ridicule Trump.
Double standards.
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It can be on. It should not be on though.
These are games. Let's not have propaganda on it. We need some sort of escapism.
Also, if someone mentions the idea of American army propaganda, then think a moment and then respond...
But in the end, this looks like a trash game anyway, so if this is fine, then those people complaining about Air Control are just hypocrites.
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The system requirements are hilarious. Is it supposed to be a comedy?
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Should?? I think you should change the question to "is that ok such games be on steam?" anyway BS game is BS!
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There are documentaries on Netflix (with a lot of propaganda), it don't see why a documentary game couldn't be on Steam. It looks crappy but it's never been an obstacle for Steam.
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Project Syria was originally commissioned by the World Economic Forum and created at the University of Southern California School of Cinematic Arts, this immersive journalism piece focuses on the plight of these children. By coupling pioneering virtual reality technologies with audio and video captured at a tragic event, Project Syria transports audiences to the a scene as the story unfolds.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/491790
It kinda raised an eyebrow that it was on steam, let's keep the whole refugee debate itself aside, should there be such games on steam?
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