I think it's worth noting that Talos Principle is almost two times cheaper in EUR Tier 2 than in EUR Tier 1. 20 EUR vs 36 EUR.
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Maybe it's the first step to making EUR Tier 2 prices more affordable. I think 20 EUR is still a little bit steep, but at least it's not ridiculous.

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I want brand new games that took years to make for 1 Euro the day they come out. I'm a gamer, I'm entitled, and I'm owed what I want.

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Live in a country from this region and try paying first world prices. Good luck.

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"I think 20 EUR is still a little bit steep" What do you want, the game for free? It just came out two weeks ago.

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15 EUR would be more appropriate. I know the economic situation in the region very well :P FYI the game is for 8 EUR in Russia.

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If it's not region locked it'll just end up making more money for the people reselling it. Russia's economy has completely crashed and is region locked, so there's no harm in selling it for much less there.

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I have nothing against EUR 2 getting region locked if I get to pay less.

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I have nothing against you guys getting lower prices as long as they can't be abused.

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Thing is, who cares what you or anyone else thinks, or likes, or dislikes, or whether you want the system to be abused or not. Nobody cares, unless someone works for valve and has a say its just a bunch of nobodies giving opinions that don't matter. No offense but this is exactly what this is. Fact is products are cheaper in countries where the standard is lower and fact is some people will always try to beat the system. That's life.

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Let's make it clean . In EUR tier 2 averange wage is 6.50 PLN at hour, for today it is 1,51 Euro . In germany ( EUR tier 1) there is minimal wage of 5.85 euro at hour . Also live in most countries of EUR 2 tier us is more expensive then EUR 1 acording too money power .

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The netto polish minimum wage for a 40 hours week is 7,73 PLN.

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" In germany ( EUR tier 1) there is minimal wage of 5.85 euro at hour"

where did you get this number from?

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Actually, since January this year, the minimal wage is 8.50 € (after tax and other deductions, that would be between 4.50 € and 6.75 €, depending on how much you earn in total and how much tax you have to pay).

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Devs are from Croatia, EU2 region on Steam. They know the purchase power of the people from the region, so they priced the game accordingly. GG Croteam!

Also, good God, imagine if you lived in the time of the Crusades. You'd genocide the whole Levant with the power of your religious fervor.

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I never said that games shouldn't cost less in poor regions. I said that you're not owed cheap games just because you want them.

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I never said that either, but I did like and have complimented the incentive from the dev. You on the other hand jump at every opportunity to attack anyone who wishes (though I agree about OP statement about price being steep is out of the line) to get games cheaper.

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The only times I post against people wanting games cheaper is when they exploit cheaper pricing, attack developers, or complain about the standard price of a brand new game. I completely agree that games should be cheaper in poorer countries as long as that pricing isn't taken advantage of. I wouldn't have posted at all if the OP hadn't made the steep comment, but overall I agree with his message. I'm only against the entitlement of a lot of the people who post about the recent region locks and different pricing zones.

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My thoughts exactly Sir!

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I want games to be more expensive in my region than in richer countries just because. People in poor countries are so entitled.

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You must be from Russia or Poland to have that attitude...

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I wasn't even subtle there.

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You mean the people who complained because they are no longer able to scalp cheap games out of their region? Yeah, those guys aren't entitled at all. I have no problem with games being cheaper elsewhere if those prices can't be taken advantage of.

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No, I mean people who pay more for less - digital distribution somehow ends up being more expensive than retail here, which is even more silly when the box comes with a Steam key anyway.

And to be clear, in my opinion 20€ base price for the game that OP linked is perfectly fine.

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Please go f... yourself

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Kid, if you ever had to work for shit money, and try to buy games that cost the equivalent of a weeks supply of food, then we can talk level. In the meantime stfu and crawl back under your mommy's skirt.

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Maybe food should be considered a higher priority than a video game?

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Maybe I'll do that after I get done to jerking off to video game women screenshots like you.

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What's better for the devs:
People are pirating the game?
People are paying less?
There's no third choice "people pay 1/5 of their wage for a game" because one must be insane to do so.

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At some point you either have to chose low prices or high quality games, but you can't have both at the same time. I don't want Steam to turn into the 99 cent App Store. The third option is for people to wait for sales if they can't afford a new game rather than just expecting to buy games day 1 for peanuts.

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So the first option is the best in your opinion. Ok.

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"wait for sales"

Oh I forgot, I'm owed games for the price I want to pay and if they cost more than that I'll just steal them.

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Yeah i see how people are waiting 5 years for sales lol
Stop trolling and accept that things in poor countries must cost less. It's better for the devs (more money earned) and for the people.

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Pay what you want systems don't work for a reason, people are cheap scumbags. Therefore developers have to set the prices of their games, and if you don't want to pay what they ask you can wait or go without. This game already costs half as much in the OP's region, but he wants more off. I'm fine with entertainment costing less in poor places, I'm not fine with people complaining about how a game isn't cheap enough for them and it should just cost less.

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Seriously, do you even read? Higher prices in poor countries = less profit for the devs = higher piracy rate.

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Lower prices in poor countries = non region locked selling = half as much profit as they would have made if they hadn't deeply discounted the game in poor countries. If people steal games that's not because the devs did anything wrong, pirates are just common criminals who don't like to pay for things they want.

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So region lock the games?
Pirates are criminals lol that's a good one. That means that everyone's a criminal in poor countries like mine, i doubt you can find at least one person who didn't pirate anything.

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That's what I've been saying, but until that region lock happens the prices can't go down in poor countries. Laws on piracy differ from country to country, in some it's illegal and in some it's not regulated.

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Higher price does not equal to higher quality game. Unfortunately this is rather common and not exception nowadays. Higher game costs are often not justified also because great (more than it is normal, because big game companies are hiring people, who have no idea about software developing) amount of "developing" money goes to PR and marketing and often the game that gets the hype is just shit.

edit: My point is that the price tag has to be justified and it also must take into account the region's solvency (if they want to use regional restrictions to games).

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AAA game budgets are very bloated, but they've always thrown tons into marketing and PR. The actual cost to make a AAA game keeps increasing significantly every time you want to bump up your specs, and there's nothing they can really do about that. I'm not primarily talking about AAAs though, I'm much more concerned about how the indies are going to fare. You can't have 3-4 people work on a game for a few years and then sell it for $3 and expect to make enough to make a second game. If we keep paying less and less for games we're just going to see less games that anyone gave a shit about. Why even bother when you're not going to be able to sell your game for more than $1.

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I know, fuck me for wanting developers to make a decent living. Every game in the world should never sell for more than $2, and if a dev dares to want $3 I'll just steal their game.

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Sure, but then he said that the game should be even further discounted than it already is. He can buy a $40 game for $20, but that's not good enough. Give us even more off, I want it for $10! Then let me sell it to people in average priced countries so I can make money off of other people's work.

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If you don't make much it doesn't entitle you to games that cost next to nothing. If you can't reasonably squeeze a brand new video game into your budget you can wait for a sale like most people do, not complain that it should just cost less.

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Oh lord, your bigotry gets you again. Poor spoilt brat.

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I know, I'm a bad person because I don't steal games. I thought you were done bitching to me thief.

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No, you're the best first world problem I plan on solving. Kerosene or Arsene is the important question at hand.

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Wow a death threat, thieves sure are lovely people.

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Quid pro quo.

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I'm not a garbage person, so I don't threaten people. My parents actually raised me right.

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You're a bigot fascist, so I'm treating you on your level. Simple as that.

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What am I bigoted against, people who steal? Sorry to say that the law is as well. And people with morals. And almost every single society that has ever existed. You can keep acting like a scumbag though, I'm not going to lower myself.

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Theft does not cover intangible objects per definition, so you are simply wrong and the only criminal thing here is your bigotry.

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Actually, it does. Theft does cover intangible objects. Also, death threats are a big no no.

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In what country does that apply? I couldn't find one where theft covers intangibles.

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These days money itself is an intangible object; notes, coins and other forms of physical currency are merely another way of representing its value.

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The value of money is, not the money itself.

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with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it

Not applicable on data as no deprivation present. It may be fraud, it may be something else, but it's not theft.

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If one activates a game using a key which can only be activated once, then they aredepriving someone else of it.
Note that in that case they would not be stealing "the game", but its activation code.
How does all of this apply to this particular forum thread is beyond me though.

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That's the spoilt white kid's personal problem. However, you don't use one-time keys to use pirated software so nobody gets deprived of the product.

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"white" I didn't know that someone's skin color is a negative trait.

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Intellectual Property can be stolen, but I suppose since you don't have a leg to stand on you'd have to argue semantics, instead of trying to argue for why it's ok for you to steal video games. I'm not a criminal, but death threats and piracy are both against the law.

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Since your only source of information is the holy bible of fascism, I don't think you'll ever have any leg to stand on. Keep your republican flag on your roof, redneck.

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Maybe you'll find out why it's ok to steal video games in your booklet of personal attacks. Seems like it would be very short and lazily done though.

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You mean, like "I want brand new games that took years to make for 1 Euro the day they come out. I'm a gamer, I'm entitled, and I'm owed what I want." or any other of your Amish pulitzer winner articles? Redneck liberation army to the rescue.

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I didn't know that two sentences on a forum count as an article now.

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Sorry, I should have known your special kind of people isn't aware of any form of humor or sarcasm. Do I need to put up a sign?

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I'm not sure what good a sign would do, I normally don't stop and read signs that criminals put up.

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Hates Russian Traders. Has 10 pages of "thanks for trades".

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Oh right, I must have knocked my head on my keyboard and forgotten that I operate my own unlicensed storefront that abuses cheap regions and price glitches. There's no possible way for someone to swap games with people and still want developers to be able to eat.

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For someone who screams so much "Russians stealing from developers", it's funny you don't see you steal from developers too.

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The comparison is basically between someone who has a garage sale and someone who sets up their own stand of discounted goods inside the store that they got them from. I like trading games with people, I don't have a buy on demand page where I exploit pricing to sell games to people for half as much as they cost.

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Your extremist attitude is even amusing at times.

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I don't think it's extremist to want the people who make things that I enjoy to be able to make a living.

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@joejoebuckbuck

It's so nice that you managed to twist the words of the OP out of context completely.
Whether you want to admit or not, EU tier 2 is absurdly high, compared to -most- region prices with a few exception like the game mentioned in the original post.
But I guess reading is harder, than posting some irrelevant BS.

Congrats!

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"I think 20 EUR is still a little bit steep" How did I twist the OP's words? He flat out stated that half off the game in his region still isn't good enough and he wants more.

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You said everything that I couldn't have to put it in words. I'm with you brother. These cheapskates/bargaining culture need to be reduced at least.

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Thank you for the kind words, I got a lot of hate mail and even a death threat from the price exploiting side. Hopefully we can at least change a few minds about the whole region lock thing.

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I agree with you and yet I feel the urge to hit you in the face. Maybe that's the issue and you should do something about it. In alarming amount of branches of this thread (leaking towards other topics on the forum) it took you like 5 messages to actually write a statement that isn't skewed while claiming you already said it an eon ago, hidden somewhere in your "I want brand new games that took years to make for 1 Euro the day they come out. I'm a gamer, I'm entitled, and I'm owed what I want." masterpiece.

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I never claimed that my original snide remark on this post was my master thesis on why I feel that price exploitation is bad. I saw something in the OP's post that rubbed me the wrong way so I replied with a sarcastic statement that I felt related to what's been going on the past week or so. I didn't expect this to even branch off at all, but some people wanted to have a discussion about it and I talked with them. Some people also attacked me personally and I wasn't above hitting back.

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my first intention is wrong...ok but the lower price seems to be from the start up?

my favorite this sale: http://store.steampowered.com/app/19680/
regular price EU 9.99 with discount 2.49 ....regular us -price 19.99....i don´t have any idea why :-)

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Yes, finally someone realised that EUR Tier 2 should have prices more like Russia than Germany. The weird pricing of Alice has been around for quite a while.

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Well, I was actually thinking about the price difference as well since it's unbelievale how big it is. Mount & Blade: Warband - 1.49 Euro for me (7.50 Euro - regular price). Asking Friends either in EU1 region or whatever is most expensive they say it's 19.99 (as in $ asin Euro). It's really weird thing imo... Well, at least I could afford one game :)

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Yeah, weird.. 4 euro here.

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dude... There is something else good for prices on eur tier 2.. It's valve games.. Like CS:GO. Well only the japanese have lower prices and sometimes norwegians on valve games..

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Dev team is based in an EU2 country. I imagine that factored in the price setting. Good decision :)

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Until now I really thought EU2 region is for younger EU-countries with far lower wages. But i just checked the list....norway, italy ...spain, portugal, vatican! Of course with those countries in the list, EU2-prices would never be very much lower than EU1. Far to many customers from those countries....

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you should remove Portugal from there. Portugal may not be as poor as many as some eastern coutries but it is not that far off...

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yes i know you are right, the GDP of Portugal is a shame...but I do my very best 2-3 times a year to change this.

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Spain is more or less the same.

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Sorry I can´t support you to...maybe after I rescued portugal

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Who are you? D. Sebastião?

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no begging please, stay silently in the row...i rescue one after one ...but first i have to do my daily walk on the water

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Norway is really hard to understand. Their ppp is top 7 in the world according to the IMF and the WB. They're well ahead of Germany, France or any other EU Tier 1. Roughly double Spain, triple Croatia. Doesn't make sense. At all.

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Norway? EU2? What is this?
Which criteria qualify a country for EU 2 tier?
Is it like EU 1 = many cashcows and EU 2 = the rest?
Vatican...mhkay, are there really Steam users residing in the Vatican?
Oh great, now my answer almost completely consists of questions.

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Norway is not EU2 as they got their own currency now. Portugal is much poorer than any EU1 country. Spain and Italy aren't as poor, but still poorer than almost every EU1 country.

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Not the first time Devolver has done something like this. See Shadow Warrior.

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think about EU tier 2 with russian prices and no locks...

REVOLUTION!

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Mark my words, if we ever get złoty on Steam, it will come with locks.

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portugal had such a great economy with escudo and now is fucked up :(

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South European countries with a great economy, hilarious.

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Compared to eastern europe south europe has good economy. Those lazy south europeans needs to come live and work here for a year, after that when they come back home they will be the happiest people ever lol

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No offence, but that's brainwashing political propaganda from some parties (not that any of the political parties is even remotely salvageable - some spout garbage one way, the others spout garbage the other way, but in the end it's all garbage and we dance to their tune, because it's just a show). :)

Our economy went up to its highest after we joined the euro, not the other way around. Corrupt political spending AFTER getting the euro funding like shady "public-private-partnerships", etc. and what not, among many other factors drew us over the edge.
One would think that a country with roughly 11M people and a geographic area 88x lower than Australia wouldn't need 230 parliament politicians, when they themselves need only roughly half of that and still manage to be up top in economic growth. And before you argue that it's because they're such a big country... Luxembourg. They're the opposite of Australia in terms of dimension, and take a look at where they stand in economic growth. And they also joined the euro. ;)

One would also argue that lifelong subsidies - with no max value mind you - for politicians, etc., etc., is taking a big toll as well, no? ;)
But no way in hell any party's propaganda includes that. ;)

Also one thing nobody likes to hear around here, regardless of it applying to them personally, was high consumerism from some people. The dellusion of being better than we actually were. We were better than we are, don't get me wrong, just not enough to justify the steep high spending. Even the US suffered quite a bit from that last part, regardless of politics. Some people grew unaccustomed to save money and incurred on high personal debts. But that last part is only a small fraction of the problem, sure. There were many factors, but changing currency wasn't one of them, trust me. If we were still in the "escudo" era AND had we done all those mistakes i mentioned (and then some), we'd be back in the stone age by now. Things would be even worse, as they probably will still, come next elections, given that whoever wins is probably gonna do so by promising what they shouldn't and god-forbid they actually deliver that "poisoned gift".

Not that i want to start a political debate, just my 2 cents though. ;)

A bit TL;DR for "2 cents" though, so... sorry about that "rant". :P

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We'll never get zloty on Steam, as Euro WILL become Poland's currency - that's what Poland is forced to do because we did sign paper saying "because Poland joins EU, Poland will start using Euro ASAP". Because of that, Valve has no reason to add currency that is officially said to be obsolete soon.

Only unknown is when "soon" is - right now Poland is rather good in dodging starting whole process, since there's are tons of requirements before country can have Euro properly. So we might be looking at 10-20-30-who-knows-how-many years before Euro will become currency here.

Or EU will die, or EU will decide Euro doesn't work and gets rid of it.

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Same thing here in Sweden.

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Prices on Steam are usually unfair. Mostly because developers are too dumb or they just dont care that EU is paying more because of their 1€=1$

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Oh they do care, believe me...

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I will be happy i valve add my currnecy/lower prices in euro and region lock EU2.

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Huh? What?

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EU2 is going to die, so enjoy while it lasts... ps. enjoy over price Bad Rats too.

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Well if people decide it's too expensive they will start pirating.

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^

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that ain't my problem, but devs :D

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Why it;s gonna die?

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What makes you say that? Because I really don't think so

Otherwise Greece is gonna have to declare bankruptcy again.

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Very interesting, thanks. Doesn't mean EU2 will be kill though.

Talos Principle has a brand-new package (#56219) with EU2 pricing, so it's clearly something that Valve still does upon request.

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https://steamdb.info/sub/32227/history/ pre-purchase where it was copied from is much older thought. Hard to say. You'd think it would be available for everyone then.

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Yep. Come on Valve, we EU2 countries are poor - drop prices more and region lock gifts so we can finally afford new releases.

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39€99 for me. Woohoo.

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In canada it's fucking 15$... now tell me they are poor too? ._.

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I just checked it - it's not. Maybe you're talking about a different game?

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Uh no.. it's $43.99 here

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CN is China you dingus

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China getting over..

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That's not even in CDN lol

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lol lol lunboks already said that lol lol lol lol lol lol LOL #LOL

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It's not in CDN

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Ikr.

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As a EUR T1 convict: Thanks for letting us know we pay premium

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you live premium, you pay premium.
generally ;)

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country codes
http://www.1728.org/countries.htm

and steam store page + /?cc=XX where XX is individual country code

e.g.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/261640/?cc=nl
= Borderlands Pre-S price at Holland, Germany, Norway and Poland is exactly the same. Also Japanese, USA and Canadian prices are ~50€.

btw - It's funny how Norwegian prices sometimes are between EU1 and EU2.

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holy fuck, how did I miss this game ? O.o

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Too bad, I am in T1 =) Steam refused to make my account as Russian zone =(

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yes pls make evry game f2p bc I dunt wanna pay for the work of programmers, bc the whole wurld turns around me only.

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What you said was incredibly stupid. The thing with EU2 is as follows - either prices get lower and devs get something, or the prices stay what they are and the devs get nothing/close to nothing. The poor part of Europe should get their own prices and the games should be region locked.

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Wow, you decided to explain us what is "purchasing power parity".

Edit: Parytet siły nabywczej ^_^

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I think it is ok if they are adjusted. But: Thread opener said "EH ONLY 50% OFF. I WANT 66% ELSE GO FY STEAM!!!!11!!".

I hate it when people just cannot get enough.

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Many things are sold at the price which people want to pay. Any t-shirt in a store for 20 euros or 10 euros, cost 1 euro in production or less. People simply want to pay the price (obviously it is calculated by sales unit not by the people themselves what they "want" to pay =))) ).

Same way the work of programmers is fully covered even with 90% off or with Russian market prices (subject to sale volumes). Although the investors who put their money into game dev can switch to another investment type, because their revenue is not high enough.

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i got talos principle as gift so totally worth its price:D But yeah, there are a few country which in EUR region but they dont earn much more money than russians, still, they need pay same money what western EU residents while russian get it for like zero money. actually if they buy their game on sale they spend the same amount on even big good games what they get back from cards. Eastern EU countries should be in a different pricing region, but i guess thats not possible because of the damn European Union. Poland, Slovakei, Hungary and Romania should leave, and form a separate union together with Croatia. We are all transit states so we should tax the trade between EU and Russia+EU and Turkey and we could live like kings and finally EU will suffer and they would be exploited not us, that way we could pay also for highest tier games easily on release day:D

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"we could live like kings" correction: "our politicians could live like kings"
Not like they don't steal whatever they can already :3

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How did he come to the conclusion of 36€?

It is 40€ in my tier, not 36!

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I live in a shitty south american country where you can't even exchange local currency to usd, and steam charges me US prices and gives me region locked games :(

9 years ago
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trade with brazil/mexico

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Okay, and why do Ukrainian prices are higher than Russian? Ukraine is much more poor country.

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Because Rubles value is very low now?

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No, it leasts for years.

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Guys what are some good tier 2 games that have a lower price than standard USA?

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https://www.steamprices.com/eu2/topsavings
Choose compare with: US and you'll get the picture

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Thanks mate I got Enhanced Steam which is much better, but I was asking if someone knows of any off the top of their head or found some. If I had time to browse thru every game I wouldn't have asked :)

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That's just 90 entries, most of them are good EA and Ubisoft games (Mass Effect, AC: Black Flag, Rayman Legends...)

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Sure thanks for that definitely.

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