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K0SS

Does ^holy random of SG^ pick the winner from the sorted list of entries, or unsort? i mean, does the time of entry affects the result of random?)

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einfachGaer

I think random is still random? :x

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K0SS

You contradict yourself >_<

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K0SS

key words in this discussion are "hypothetically" and "same conditions"
and thanks for the first adequate answer

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K0SS

in case of sorting by the time it doesnt take time to sort, cause it has being created already sorted)

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BrutoDetestsDT

The giveaway winner selection function should be improved. We can work to a patch, cg needs help: here the prototype. Few but very good ideas.

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ReinekeFuchs

Haha, very nice!
I'm not sure two rerolls are enough for the Xarabas factor, though.

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Nyhbi

You made my day.

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K0SS

i think, that by default, list is being filled with entries in the order according to their creation time (sorry for my bad english).

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Suldok

Random means random, time of entry does not affect it.

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Deadlytyler

no its random

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K0SS

formally, on the question "what kind of random is there?" you answered "random"...here goes another question. are you an idiot?

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K0SS

you dont understand me >_<
do you know programming basics?
there we ve got array of entries. then we get random number of entry. adnd then there is a question. is the array sorted by the time of entry od by the user name? first case - the time of entry affects the result. second - doesn't. THERE IS NO JUST RANDOM

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Suldok

This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

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K0SS

How do you know?)
replied to "doesnt", not to lyrics

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Suldok

How are the winners chosen?
The winners are randomly selected.

I haven't won anything, and this other person has won a bunch. What gives?
Winners are selected at random from the database the moment a giveaway closes. The past history of a member has no affect on their chances of winning, and everyone always has an equal opportunity of being selected.

How can I increase my odds of winning or acquire more points faster?
There are no ways to increase your odds of winning, you have the same chances of winning as everyone else. Points, as explained in the "points" portion of the FAQ, only increase when a public giveaway is submitted. Group and private giveaways currently do not distribute points.

Source

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K0SS

where is said about time of entry?
Hypothetically, if the array is sorted by time of entry, then under the same conditions, the result will be different in the case if I just enter the giveaway, or if I enter, quit, and I will enter again...
dont you stil understand what im talking about??????

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Suldok

Dude why are you asking us as if we know all this stuff? We are not the creators of the website so we obviously don't know.

Why are you so interested about this anyway? Are you going to try to cheat?

You enter giveaway
Giveaway closes
Specific number of entries
Randomness chooses one entry out of all of them
Player wins the giveaway

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K0SS

if you didnt know, you could just not answer. i hoped that there is somebody who knows the function of site itself.

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Suldok

Dude it's random, It's obviously not grouped into something. Nothing has an effect on the randomness, what's the problem?

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K0SS

how old are you???? and do you know ANYTHING about programming????
if you knew, you would never say that its "just a random"

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Lezz

probably the site asigns a key number to every user, and put that number in the array if you enter, and take it away if you go out, then the time or order will never affect the randomness... what about that?
anyway, ask CG he is the dev of the site

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K0SS

the question is "does it assign new key number to re-entered users". cause it changes the result.

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Lezz

good question...
so, yes, that kinda change the result in a way... but does not afect your 'chances' of winning at all...
ask CG for the code, or search the older posts, i remember him posting part of it one time.

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K0SS

thank you for understanding me)

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K0SS

the random cant be "just a", my friend) in those cases its a procedure in the source code, which picks random number. "number of what?" - its another question, which i am exactly interested

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Suldok

Number of entries hurr

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K0SS

entries can be numbered differently, do you understand this???

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Suldok

click
click

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K0SS

in exaple. we ve got 5 entries in the giveaway. users with nicks A,B,C,D,E. they entered in this order - D,C,E,B,A. randomizer gives number 4, in example. if the array is sorted by the time, the winner is B. if is not - D. do you anderstand this? anyway the array is sorted somehow. i want to know HOW

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Suldok

You say somehow, but where do you get that it's actually sorted?

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K0SS

i dont understand you. ill ask this question again. do you know ANYTHING about programming???? do you understand, that all entries are stored in some DB?

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K0SS

then, if it is sorted by time of entry, the order will change, if someone re-enter. DCEBA => CEBAD. hypothetically, then, in same conditions, the winner will be A, not B. do you understand what im talking about?

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Desidiosus

They're probably sorted in numerical order i.e. first entrant is number 1, second entrant number 2. Then the random number generator generates a number based on the total number of entries and the chosen number is the winner.

Reading your comments makes you seem like you're about go on the streets yelling: "It's a scam!!".

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K0SS

i l repeat my question. does it assign a new number to re-entered user, or not.

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Suldok

Once again I repeat, how are we supposed to know? Did we create the website? No. I suggest not wasting your time and contacting the main administrator who actually created the website. I'm pretty sure the main administrator doesn't check these forums very much and support don't know about it either. If you're that interested your best bet is to contact, we don't know how the site was programmed.

Different sites use different things

So the answer to your question 'Who knows' lies in main administrator's brain.

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Desidiosus

So what if it does? The number chosen by the RNG isn't affected by that. You still have just as high (or low) chance of being chosen regardless of what your entry in the database is. If it's a true random number generator, that is.

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K0SS

the affect of re-entering (in case of time-sorted array) is as small as probability of beeng choosen. but it is)

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devias91

Made my day

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BassEffect

result=random+karma

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NinjaCreeper

Ermm...

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