So this is something that's always been in the back of my mind, but I guess I'd like to hear what others think about it also.

As we all know, the blacklist is a very helpful feature which is often completely misused by a lot of people. We often see people threatening others to blacklist if they say something they disagree with or when someone is accused of something. Even outside the forums, it's very hit and miss to give people freedom to such power as there are users who blacklist others for not commenting on their giveaways just for entering, some for commenting too much and (most understandably) not thanking for winning.

What kind of effect has this had on users in the forum? Personally I don't treat here the same as I would on a normal forum when it comes to anything political or something that's just highly opinionated, because it's frustrating to see someone I had a long discussion with (not even aggressively) ended up blacklisting me purely because of a difference in opinion, and it has since made me much less active in the forums. With that on top of the inability to sometimes understand sarcasm or a joke, people also often blacklist someone after they have misconstrued their post. It's funny because most of the time they're people that give away very little in the first place, but it's still a matter of principle.

I feel like the feature needs to be more hidden, not as simple as visiting someone's profile, but for an encounter to actually have happened between two users in the form of a giveaway to prevent abuse, but that's just me.


I hope you've been revising your hidden GA strategies, because this one goes a bit deeper.

Anyway, please engage in some relaxing music to sooth yourself from the inevitable upcoming difference of opinion and save yourself from being blacklisted. I strongly recommend it.

Dream Theater

EDIT: Small update, just posting the solution to the GA (It was Far Cry 4, lv3 requirement) as it seems to have frustrated quite a few people, ending with 53 entries. So I guess this could also be considered a heads up to any future posts that try to use this method.

As suggested, the GA was hidden deep in the post. At the bottom of the OP, I was highly recommending some music to everyone. The title of the song linked was "The Answer Lies Within". This was not a coincidence. If you note the URL of the link, it's not a normal youtube link. Scroll down and you'll see it's actually linking directly to a comment. Being from me. This included the code needed for the giveaway URL.

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Are your forum posts affected by the presence of the blacklist?

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I check how generous a user is before berate them
I rarely engage in opinionated discussions at all for fear of blacklist from others
I care little for being blacklisted and always give my true opinions
This had never occurred to me and you have tainted my forum experience, you swine

Currently I'm only using blacklist feature to filter out all shameless leechers with horrific ratios. That's all.

Instead of blacklist, I wish there was an auto-permanent-ban system suspending every user with lower than 0.4 or 0.5 won/sent ratio. Sounds cruel? For me it is more cruel to see a member with preposterous stats like gifts won - 364, sent - 17.

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I don't use the feature. I think that it has caused more harm to this site than good and group giveaways pretty much prevents people that you don't want from joining your giveaways anyway. Too many variables are involved now just to create a simple giveaway and using sgtools and blacklists just adds more to the mess.

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group GAs are not a solution. You may want to make GAs not only for a group of ppl you know but for all ppl with the exception of ppl you don't want in your GAs. You may want to make a puzzle/train/event and groups are not suitable for these.

Also what do you mean it caused more harm? BlackLists are nothing new - they were avaiable long ago in SGv1 - when I joined SG over 3 years ago there were already BlackLists - just as they were not implemented in the site they required much more work - you had to maintain external file linked in all your GAs with your BL, you had to wait for support reviews and for rerolls and so on and on. But they were around and I've been using BL for almost 3 years yself I believe. Only thing that changed is that while they were allowed they got implemented instead - they are used the very same way - just automatic now reducing the amount of support work regarding them.

And if you don't like all these variables avaiable to people - noone is forcing you to use them. If you wish so you may stick just to public GAs visible to you and not even be aware of you baing on any BL or not meeting SGT criteria, or not being able to solve a puzzle, or not having high enough level to enter private Ga you found link for and so on and on. Noone is forcing you to use any of these tools yourself - but why would you force people who finds them useful not to use them?

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And I don't use them - as is my choice. I'm sure that many people feel that they have a valid use for it but in my case I don't.

The OP asked for opinions and I offered mine. Sorry that many don't agree with it but that's how I feel.

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I had a few people on my blacklist. Now I checked and found most of them are permanently banned so I cleared whole blacklist.

Maybe they should made blacklist to work both ways? When Person A blacklist Person B then Person A should automaticaly be put on Person B's blacklist?

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but shouldn't it be person B choice whether he Blacklists person A back or not? Not to mention that some people uses BL for other reasons - there were quite a few forum events for example using temporary blacklists - you could only enter 1 of x days of GAs and got BLed for other days. Or users temporary blacklisting their winners just to give better chances to win to other users and informing about it in their descriptions? Should these people be automatically blacklisted as well? We are not little kids and do not need hand-holding. We can decide for ourselves whether we want to BlackList someone back or not.

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+1 Agreed for the simultaneous tit for tat kind of automated blacklisting because I even had users that blacklisted me behind my back and then entered giveaways of mine...

Edit: It would also help because a lot of the blacklisting is off the behind your back kind so automated 1 for 1 blacklisting would solve the unsymmetrical blacklisting and would be fair for both.

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I kind of want to see this.

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Getting blacklisted doesn't feel good, but I don't let that prevent me from giving my opinion on things in those kind of threads. I am very open minded and reasonable, and if I get blacklisted for being that way, then the person I got blacklisted by is probably closed-minded primitive bigot and I don't care about being blacklisted by such people.

Since people are using their money to make giveaways I think they have the right to exclude whoever they want from being able to access their giveaways with blacklist, even if they don't have a good reason for it. After all, it sucks when someone you don't like wins one of your giveaways, regardless of the reason why you don't like them.

In my opinion, the only change blacklist system needs is that when someone blacklists you, he gets added to your blacklist. I don't want people who blacklisted me enter my giveaways, and I personally don't want to enter giveaways from people I blacklisted.

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but some people for example use temporary blacklist for forum events or to bl their winners just to give others better chance to win - you wouldn't like to auto-blacklist these people, don't you? :> Despite Chebi pre-name I believe you're grown up and reasonable Dark Lord and you're totally capable on deciding you want to or don't want to BlackList someone back ;3

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and you're totally capable on deciding you want to or don't want to BlackList someone back

The problem there is that you don't know who blacklisted you, unless they post their giveaway in the forum and you see you can't enter. If someone blacklists me I want to return the favor, just like I did with you. I still don't know why you blacklisted me, but I didn't want to bother you about it. But this is a good opportunity to ask, so why?

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my bet would be ratio below 0.5 ;) nothing personal - if you ever repair your ratio poke me and I'll remove ;)

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I think you got on many blacklists when being rude in the forums, not because you were open minded, reasonable and gave your opinion which people didn't agree on because they were primitive bigots.

I think you realized that later since you deleted a lot of the comments (of which most were not so polite if I remember correctly). That's positive at least.

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Semi-related, but it seems as if you use a script to remember why some users are blacklisted, such as adding notes, or something of that manner. Would you care to share, or do you just keep an excel sheet or something? I went looking for something like that today and would rather not have to have an external program to do it for me.

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I believe SteamGifts Plus allows you to leave notes on peoples names, but I haven't used it myself so I'm not sure if it applies while within your bl/wl, on someones profile, or a tag in forum discussions etc.

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I use the Page Notes extension for Chrome and leave a note on their profile page.

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That's why I am keeping a personal excel sheet with the reasons of why I marked them (blacklist), so for an easier checking in the future.

But there's a simple SG script that tags people with certain color when you blacklist them. But for script notes... nope I can't find any.

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heh, thought it could be that as well, but these comments are from 4 months ago and my BL is 3 months... ;p

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Well that could also mean you found those comments a month after I posted them. Read my reply to tso184 for explanation on that.

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read it, even so like I said - your ratio is weak ;) when you repair it i will gladly remove you :>

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Yeah I know what you said. I didn't tell you to read my explanation on what happened with Student because I thought it would get me removed from your blacklist, I simply wanted you to know more about what happened before forming general opinion on me as a person.

Honestly I'm not fond of people that blacklist others for low ratios, and I also don't think that my 53 Won - 26 Sent ratio is something terrible, especially since it's not against rules. Therefore I wont ask you to remove me from your blacklist even if I manage to improve my ratio (and that will happen only after I finally land a job and get in a financial situation where I can buy more games for giveaways) because I wont be removing you from mine.

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your choice ofc. Like I mentioned multiple times in this thread and many others on matter of BLs - BLs are not (just) for rulebreakers. BLs are a tool you can use to decide who you don't want in your GAs. And I for example among many others don't want people who give away way less that they take from the community (my personal treshhold is 0.5 either in real value or in raw numbers). It doesn't mean I believe these people are breaking any rules. It doesn't mean I believe these people have no place in the community. That simply means that I prefer my own money go to people who besides taking also give back. If someone cannot - he still have thousands of other contributors he can win from anyway. And like I said that I believe that me as well as any other may BL anyone not just rulebreaker simply because he doesn't want this person in his GAs, the same way you have the right to keep me blecklisted for the reason that you don't agree with my ratio blacklists ;p

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Let it go. You blacklisted him, he blacklisted you. End of story.

Arguing won't get you anywhere.

It's not like his GAs are the only GAs in this site anyway from the looks of it - just bundle fodders. Even if they're not, again, there are bunch of chances from other people.

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I wouldn't even say we're arguing, and I see nothing bad about us having a little discussion as long as both sides are being nice.

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I was talking about posting in subject-sensitive threads and whether or not the fact that blacklist exists prevents me from posting my opinion, because that was Teliko's question. I said nothing that would start a discussion on all the reasons I get blacklisted for, so I don't see why would you bring this up.

Here is the explanation for your link. Some people that blacklisted me for that removed me from their blacklists after my explanation. Me and Student made up and removed each other from blacklists as well.

I'm not very tolerant when it comes to trolls, but Student is not a bad guy. I overreacted that time, nobody's perfect.

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Ah well that explanation helped. You did seem sensible enough on other threads except that particular instance.
Removed you from my BL for that.

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I'm glad to hear that.

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TSO never forgets!

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I prefer blacklist people for something exceptional like scamming or rule-breaking (not on SG though directly - sadly its pretty common, and i resently was one of those). I guess I like remember for what reasont this particular person on my black list. So its only two people and I hope it will reman the same. It such a burden) Because of this I think I'm not causing any impact on SG.

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personally my blacklist rarely gets used,besides the obvious rule breakers i think i only have two people on my blacklist and i fell justified putting them there:)
personally i mostly concentrate on my whitelist and tend to do a lot of whitelist Ga's, i like to concentrate on rewarding the people i find positive on here instead of feeling the need to try to punish all the ones who would be considered bad and blacklist them.

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love DT

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+1 for "shameless leechers with horrific ratios"

Also, I don't BL for differences of opinion on the forum. Mature people can disagree in a respectful way.

It's the folks who insist you're wrong over a matter of opinion (like religion, misogyny, homophobia, racism, etc) or insist there is no issue when society shows otherwise, and are arrogant and rude about it. I've got zero problem BL those folks, and I do.

Bullying behavior gets BL, too.

I'm not going to spout all over the forum about it and be petty about it. I just simply do not wish to give someone something I paid for when I have found their behavior to be cruel and self-centered. So, I BL silently and move on.

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I don't blacklist people for opinion difference either. But when I get called personally, I just blacklist em and move on (for that moment). Maybe give a jab (trolling them) to the said people in the future for fun since I keep records of their 'offense'.

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I blacklist rude, racist and anti-Semitic people, too entitled people, too sour people, people who belittle new users, people who blacklist me, SGT party crashers and winners that don't say thank you.

Users that re-gift and have very bad ratio's can be countered not with blacklist but things like higher CV levels and SGT settings like ratio settings, all games activated, no multiple wins,...

Concerning opinions I have seen users say proverbial black to one user and a bit later say proverbial white against another user. In other words users that bend themselves in any and all directions most probably because they are afraid to be blacklisted for saying their true opinion. To each his own but I do say my opinion and there are users here that like to dish out but when it comes to the receiving side well that's more difficult and then as a last resort they blacklist.

I even had users that blacklisted me behind my back and then entered giveaways of mine...

There are users that misuse and abuse the blacklist, those that like to blacklist so much that they blacklist for anything and are getting close to maximum blacklist capacity, those that don't use the blacklist and those who use it but sparsely.

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I don't know the circumstance, and so can't vouch either way, but I could understand how it would be easy to accidentally enter a GA for somebody that you've blacklisted. Until I added a script that shows that on the main page, it would be very difficult to sort through who was on your blacklist, and who wasn't. My list is fairly small, less than 100 users, all have either been very rude, or have no care about the rules etc. However, I also can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, and would forget my own head if it wasn't attached to me. I certainly won't remember most I've blacklisted, even if, from my prospective, there's a good reason they're on there.

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Well what I can say it wasn't a lone case, there were multiple users that blacklisted me and did enter multiple giveaways of mine. If they didn't know I can't say but in the event they did now then they are acting cowardly and sneaky.

And it's double edged as I would personally not like to enter a giveaway were I blacklisted the gifter but the gifter didn't blacklist me.

Also a lot of blacklisting is silent blacklisting.

These examples make the case for automated 1 = 1 blacklisting with maybe an option setting to turn on or off this blacklist automation so SG users can individually choose to set the blacklisting to automated or manual.

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Just came here to bump for the secret giveaways :)

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Been here a week, given away 6 games, won nothing so far. Made 1 friend on steam, had one turd try to argue with me even though he got his key, he made my blacklist because he took the argument public in the comments. Have not had anyone that got a game from me give me a thumb up yet, looking pretty lousy so far, blacklist for all.

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That's because those thumbs are for trading feedback. As you made giveaways, not trades, it would be misuse of trade feedback to do so, which is against the rules. Please read the FAQ and guidelines. Another nifty tool is the search bar right under the new discussion button that allows you to search for questions already asked. If you want to have some fun comment formatting is here. Here are some good threads as well.

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Cheers mate. Now I know why I have no little +'s

Nice to have an esteemed veteran of the site such as yourself give an old drunken fool a few pointers. ;)

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an esteemed veteran of the site

Oh boy. I'm a terrible person. That's rule #1.

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nein!

Compared to me your all lovely except for bespoke turd in my original post. Hopefully it stays that way, I'm already 'orrible enough if I don't get my daily 'erb, beer, and creedence. ;)

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I only use blacklist to add people on it after they just won a game from me. That way I don't need to provide it (either keep it for myself or trade it) and I still get positive feedback, it is a neat little loophole.

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There are some people I just don't want to give video games to. It's not the end of the world.

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I argue when I can, I try not to be an asshole, I blacklist rule-breakers and I don't quite care who blacklists me. Do the same on the forums, be happy on your life ^^

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What you said is true. But still, why did it affect you and made you less active in the forums? If someone blacklisted you, then why do you even care? World is much more harsh than that. No need to worry about stupid blacklists. :)

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My blacklist is solely for those whom I consider leechers and I do not want them leeching from my giveaways.

BTW - Thanks for sharing the DT song. I have a few of their albums but have not heard this track before. I liked it very much.

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I'm too white to be blacklisted.

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wanna bet? :D:

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I don't think that blacklisting in itself is toxic for the forum, it's being vocal about it that is.

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+1
you don't want someone in your GAs - BL him and move along. Maybe write a note or sth in case he asks why you BLed him in the future. Just don't post BL threats that "I will blacklist you if you don't agree with me!" etc

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I don't personally care for whitelisting or blacklisting people all that much, which is kinda reflected in the number of people I have white-/or blacklisted (a total of five, I believe); but seeing how you're all having your own opinion here I'mma just blacklist all of you forever.

I'm blunt with my opinion, so if it offends you, you have to do what you have to do, right?

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Agreed do what you must! I wanted to black list you in jest(only 5 on your lists, your a weird neutral creature) but your ratio is good and your reasoning is sound. It also helps that I am blunt with my opinion as well.

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Dont be afraid to say your opinion or even be active i can understand that it might hurt when you find out you are being blacklisted by someone for reasons unknown it happen to all of us my advise is not to blacklist them back you can even whitelist them , if you think the foroum as a real cafe with poeple talking its not possible for everyone to go along with everyone in real life i am sure you met many poeple that after talking to them a while or even hear them say an opinion you didnt want to do anything them ever ,if you were right or wrong who knows the point is for me i come to sg foroum cause most of the time i get joy reading posts and in general i like the attitude and mature behaviour of 99% of the members there is no point in feeling mad when someone says something i dont like and go blacklisting them its no good for my soul. There is a party of poeple tho that i would blacklist and that is poeple who win a game and not activate or not giving feedback that is major for me cause its like spiting on someone else generocity even if he paid 10 cents its his hard earned money and we should respect that, but i also dont try to hunt them down i only have 1 person in my blacklist cause he/she gave me trouble but it doesnt really matter anymore cause i checked one day and he/she was permantly banned

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I think blacklisting is important. If I saw someone violating rules I wouldn't want them to participate in my lovely bundle leftover giveaways. I guess it's up to each individual to decide how they want to use their blacklist, but personally I have seem some people who have, like, "one strike and you're out" policies and it's mostly someone else making a bad joke (admittedly depends on how tasteless the joke was), or they failed to read an entire long post and asked a question that was already answered. Stuff that is annoying, for sure, but I wouldn't instantly add someone to my blacklist. Or at least I wouldn't bother posting about how I'm adding them to it.

BUT again that's my personal feelings, I don't think any less of someone who uses the tools they have available in ways they see fit.

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