It must not happen! Not Fortix!
It's the holy SG symbol.
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Like you said above
No one buys it to boost their value, but probably no one will give it if it's on the list.
If no one buys it to boost value, there's no reason not to give it away even if it's on the list.
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The reason no one buys it to boost their value is no one CAN boost their value with it. It is never on sale so whatever value you get is always what you actually paid.
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Fortix was given out 15 times this month.
The Ship was given out 13 times this month.
If The Ship is dead, Fortix is equally dead.
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Fortix 2 was bundle Feb 4, 2012
I don't know about you, but I see something like 600 giveaways of the game after it was bundled, including when it was still $10.
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How does this help your argument in any way? You're just contradicting disproving yourself.
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Your argument: being on bundle list was a death warrant for Fortix 2.
My argument: the Fortix 2 statistics page clearly show that this is not the case.
Your rebuttal: "Ever heard of hoarding?"
Please explain how this statement either proves your argument or disproves mine.
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His CV won't drop since he gave away Fortix before it was bundled.
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No! I just say that the price of a game should not be considered when you are criticising a game for it's content.
A game's price should be considered when you are figuring out if you want to buy the game.
If you bought a $1 game and had the same fun with a $50 game this does not make the $1 game better as a game. It just gives a better value for it's money.
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That lvl was so impossible I beat it in the dumbest way possible, but I did beat it. If you don't have a lot of spare lives, it won't work.
It worked like this -> go through the middle of the map (vertically) -> die -> you're immortal for a couple of seconds, use it to capture as much of land as you can -> eventually you'll make it to upper half (if you started at bottom) -> There you go, half of the map captured (make sure Xitrof is there). Finishing is easy.
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Ok.
Mark of the Ninja. Total Gifts 785
Skyrim. Total Gifts 631
Just because Mark of the Ninja was bundled today.
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The Beat Hazard DLC wasn't given away even before it was bundled. In fact it was pretty much only given away because it was in a bundle
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What? You seem to be grasping at straws. Or I just don't understand your argument.
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I don't have any info on that. When was it in IGN Prime?
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We're getting off track. You stated that the number of giveaways for the DLC died after being bundled. The graph clearly shows that this is not the case, even with (or otherwise ignoring) mitigating factors.
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With the current price tag of $1, Fortix should be given as many times as if it were put on the bundle list.
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It's not about the price tag, it's about the relative sale price. Being in a sale >75% off I'd say is the biggest factor driving giveaways.
You know what, OK here's a challenge:
Show me 1 game that had fewer giveaways after it was bundled and I'll concede your point.
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Uhhh... Are you looking at the same graph I'm looking at? It's been given away much more steadily since it was bundled on May 31, 2012 than before then.
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I'm not sure if you're trolling at this point or you just don't know how to read graphs.
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But you are blatantly incorrect. Amnesia has had a much higher number of giveaways per month after being bundled than before.
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The only two spikes I've seen since it was bundled is around the month of June, which coincides with the bundle, and somewhere around August this year. The first can be taken as bundle giveaways entirely while the latter can be taken as a real spike.
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You stated: the fact is that it had fewer giveaways per month.
Once again, this is blatantly incorrect, even ignoring the spikes in June 2012 and August 2013, when it was in the Humble Bundle 5 and PewDiePie weekly, respectively. You are essentially trying to argue that 1+1 isn't 2.
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Amensia, First bundled May 31,2012
Previous 1 month (april 2012): 8
1 month after (jun 2012): 80
6 months after (nov 2012) 15
1 year after (may 2013): 19
So 1 big spike during the bundle, and a return to slightly higher than average despite being in the bundled list. That's the opposite of what I asked for. It must return to a lower than previous level after the bundle, not higher.
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I don't want to be mean, but if you read through my conversations with him, his grasp on logic and basic math seems tenuous at best.
Or he could just be a troll.
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Well it's certainly getting my post count up this month for sure!
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(Disclaimer: I have read no other posts in this thread.)
Bundling probably has a similar effect to pirating. It increases the number of copies out in the market and increases the awareness of the game.
Your stat is also bias, it doesn't take into account the SG userbase.
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You should probably at least read through the comment thread you are replying to because your post isn't really that relevant to the argument at hand.
CHTonRage stated that the Amnesia graph shows that giveaways per month of Amnesia were much less after being bundled than before. It's clearly not the case no matter what angle you look at the graph from.
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Let's see how many giveaways are made for it in the next months... that's what we're talking about
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It's been discussed to death already, not feasible and not gonna happen. Only reliable way to do this would be to go the route of GameMiner or Playblink by having bots handle the gifts. Steamgifts is a user-to-user kind of site and cg as expressed in the past that he doesn't want keys or gifts hosted on the server or bots.
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3 ways with ur addition, not best or easy to use, but still.
В жизни не поверю что программисты не могут решить эту проблему, возможно это займет время, но так никто и не торопит их. Допустим cg не осилит это сам, допустим нужно нанимать еще пару программистов, ну так пусть у сообщества попросят пожертвовать на благое дело. Так что не надо мне тут говорить мол это невозможно.
Transale if you care, but typing this in english woulda take too much time.
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As I said, it's only feasible if a bot handles the gift from SteamGifts' side and this is something that cg already said he doesn't want. No matter how talented a programmer is, or group of programmers, it still can't be done as this info is not available anywhere in any reliable form.
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Yeah the bundle system does need an overhaul of some sort. My idea is that bundle games should give partial cv based on the value of the cheapest bundle they have ever been in. So if a game was in a $1 bundle with 4 games then it would give a guaranteed $0.25 cv and the rest of its value would follow the current cv calculation.
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I wonder how much the devs have made so far with fortix 1 and 2
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;_; Why would the devs do this?
They visit SG. They should know that once a game goes bundled it very rarely is bought and gave away again.
Didn't most/a good chunk of their sales comes from SG?
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Who cares that all these other games aren't off the bundle list? Those games are all crap compared to Fortix. I bet all the people wanting it bundled are the grinches who never won a giveaway of Fortix...well no one liked the Grinch! Go live under a rock! Oh, and have a nice day.
X Signed
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I gotta say, even as someone who does try to win Fortix, I wouldn't mind seeing it bundled. Fortix has had its day as the "spam" giveaway. Give another game a chance.
Remember when half the giveaways were bad rats? Basketball manager? Fortix has lasted longer than both of them. Maybe it's time to let go :P
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We all know Fortix is like everyone's little brother here on Steamgifts. And now.. after all these years, its finally in a Bundle.
I think Fortix should NOT be added to the bundle list.
Why you ask? The game is only a dollar ($1) anyways. Always has been. So there's no way to contrib boost (cv boost) with this game. Everyone needs to own this game, and like most games that end up in the bundle list, my fear is it will never be given away again.
Sign here:
**"Keep Fortix OFF the Bundle List!
Sincerely;
Steamgift Community"**
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Edit:
Well we just surpassed 500 comments. Alot are for and there are some against.
Keep the Tradition Alive #1 !
Keep the Tradition Alive #2 !
Keep the Tradition Alive #3 !
(if anyone else has any links buried in this topic.. Post them again so I can repost to the main thread - thanks!)
EDIT 2: May 25th/14
It has come to my attention of a rumor that "Race the Sun" is NOT going to be put on the Bundle list as it was only 90% off with the lowest tier. Yet it was in that Humble Bundle Daily
I hope this rumor is proven to be false as we all know this would do an injustice to FORTIX as FORTIX was ever in one Bundle and it was a bonus to the $1 tier. Which means, Fortix was 0% off. ZERO Percent off.
Long Live the King.
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