Do you like this idea?
It still wouldn't prevent giving region locked steamgifts set up as ROW in regional groups... Aside from that, I like it =)
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Did you read carefully? Of course, if you are from US or EU and have A LOT of friends from region-locked country - you can exploit it this way. But that's a rare case.
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You don't have to have a lot of friends form there. I guess those group would probably welcome anybody who would give them games without being able to take any.
So as I said already, I like it =) it's just not safe from exploits =(
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Not completely true, the system now in place is....
The list may not always be up to date but if all cheap games go on it, they cannot be exploited for CV
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The system now in place makes everything legal
It's like:
-okay some people don't pay taxes, how do we solve that ?
-no more taxes, problem totally solved !
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If no one pays taxes the system is at least fair ;)
I never said it's a good system, I only point out what are the intentions of it. I f one is to change it, it has to be better than the old one, not just different and more complicated.
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But this wouldn't give them any advantage whatsoever! By this suggestion, ROW giveaway doesn't mean more CV.
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It still wouldn't prevent giving region locked steamgifts set up as ROW in regional groups...
I read it as "someone gets a region locked gift as gives it as a ROW", but as I read through your suggestion, I take it that you don't suggest having separate CV for ROW and region locked gifts.
I mean, what's the point of having a region-locked gift and giving it as ROW when ROW gifts don't have advantage in CV?
..............wait, now my gears are finally shifting and I got what Klinge were talking about. They were talking about a ROW-region person giving region-locked gift as ROW because they would be forced to only give ROW gifts.
Whoops, my bad, I'm sorry, I understand now x)
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It makes quite a difference whether you pay 4 $ oin a ROW gift or 1.2 $ on a CIS locked gift In both cases you'd get 40$ CV.
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I quite misunderstood the situation, I'm sorry x)
You're right, as it was mentioned before in similar threads, locking giveaways like this would open the system to exploitation through closed groups =(
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Honestly, this whole CV drama really annoys me. Yes, there will always be someone who feels like they are treated wrong and I don't think there will ever be a solution that fits EVERYONE. So to be honest, I just don't care about the CV system and how you might be able to improve it anymore.
Hopefully this doesn't come across as too rude lol
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this way, rich people from row regions can't exploit region-locked giveaways you do realize the fact that not everyone living in ROW regions gotta be rich, right? It's not fair assumption. here, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage - and compare yourself you poor RU/Cis countries to rich EU1/2 countries like for example Balkan countries...
that aside - what does ypour suggestion really change? Most of CV boosting by regional games comes from russians, your proposition doesn't change that - only cuts out minority of ppl from other regions who do the same, while leaving the majority of abusers intact.
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Ryzhehvost never said that all people from ROW regions are rich...
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Lol, nice link. My country has lowest net average monthly salaries according to map. So yes, I can call anyone from other countries rich actually can't, because prices are higher too
I don't think that russians giving away ru/cis games is boosting or exploiting. Anyway, games below 95% of US price are bundled, so it's not different from buying a game with discount. Blame Valve for giving this "discounts" only to certain countries, not people. Only people that giving away games from another region are real abusers.
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you don't thing it's unfair when Russian can reach let's say lvl 10 for the cost of 300$ and at the same time Serbian who earns even less than that Russian will have to spend 1000$ to get the very same games and the very same lvl 10? Because for me it's kind of double standards ;>
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It's a double standards indeed, but not from my side. I feel unfair that russians have twice lower prices in steam than me, while wages in my country are even lower. But how do I can convince Valve that it's unfair? It's they, and their partners, who made prices like this.
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Yeah, I saw the thread where someone was kind of suggesting you might have exploited the CV system.
If you did, then it isn't the system that needs changing, it's you. If you didn't do it, then don't worry about it, ignore the person, and move on. Personally speaking, I couldn't care less either way. There is no way to make the system 100% fair for everyone, and there's always going to be someone who "loses out" or complains.
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Well, the one who accused me - probably believes I did. As for me - I don't think so, but who would ask me?
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Yeah but why let it bother you? Who cares what one user thinks? In fact, even if 100 believed he was right, or 1000 ... it's still a very small % of users on this site.
Definitely not worth getting your feathers ruffled. ;)
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Just tired about all this drama around... Maybe I just need to leave sg for a while, and rest.
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Nah man, just grow a thicker skin and don't worry about it. If drama on SG is the worst thing you have to worry about today, you're not doing too badly in my opinion. ;)
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The problem is - it's the last thing for me to worry about, I have enough worries in real life. But that's like a straw that broke the camel's back, I always came to sg seeking positive feelings, and now I getting drama instead...
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"This way, rich people from row regions can't exploit region-locked giveaways, and poor people from restricted regions are still able to make giveaways for people in same region."
Of course, this way rich people from poor regions can exploit region-locked giveaways...
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And poor people from rich regions can't. There is nothing to do about it.
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Which means your system doesn't fix anything, it just reduces number of people that will exploit the system from rich people in whole world to rich people in Russia/CIS.
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I'm not agree with this: "rich people from row regions can't exploit region-locked giveaways, and poor people from restricted regions..."
So, there are only rich people on row regions and poor people on restricted regions.
I'm not rich, i don't have a job and i'm from Spain (row region) where there are many families with income problems, this crysis plus corruption is fu... us. So your argument is not valid for me.
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Yes, you are right, I should rephrase it somehow...
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your wording still suggests that each ROW region is rich and each CIS region is poor ;)
how about simply
This way, people from row regions can't exploit region-locked giveaways, and people from restricted regions are still able to make giveaways for people in same region.I still don't agree, but at least this way your opinion doesn't sound biased nor offensive :>
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Your suggestion is more or less: -> Only let people do giveaways for their own region, and let people only enter giveaways of their own region.
As I mentioned several times.....this is the wrong attempt...this move would only make sense if we also only allow people that gained their level , by giving for a certain group, can also only use the CV/level within this group. The next step would be: only count CV/Levels generated by hidden giveaways, be usable in giveaways of entrants of those hidden giveaways...and so on. It will simply not work.
Besides the fact that your suggestion would have negative side-effects, it would not stop anyone from doing anything.
At least you edited the "rich people" part....cause I had always think about the high amount of billionaires in so called "poor" countries....
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I agree, the part about "rich vs poor" was wrong. Huge thanks to zelghadis for helping me make it more neutral.
As for CV... I didn't say this would fix all the poblems, I just thought this way it would be less whining about region-restricted giveaways.
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i think they should just let anyone from any region select what regions they want there games to be given away to region locked or not(obviously if its region locked it can only be give in the region its intended for) i mean its the GA creators game to give away if someone in the usa only wanted there game given away in the usa then that should be allowed it is there game that they bought and are giving away for free after all:) then people wont be complaining about people in restricted regions abusing there ability to only give games in only there region because anyone would be able to do it.
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Maybe you would more like my other suggestion then.
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while I could agree to some extent with this suggestion - on the other hand it is punishing people who don't want to exploit regional prices yet are unlucky enough to live in these regions. Take Sleepy for example - he is Russian but he mostly does ROW GAs anyway. And with such function introduces - while it would mostly punish regional-CV-exploiters it would also hurt innocent great ROW contributors like him, just because they happen to live in locked region, but they don't make GAs for this region-only.
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i wasn't saying that everyone be locked to there regions just that everyone would have the option to select what regions there GAs be available to everything else would stay the same as it is.
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So, as you may noticed, there is a lot of drama about CV, regional restrictions and other stuff. I even was accused for "abusing cv with region locked giveaways".
Well, first of all - people in countries with region-locked stores are not were asking for this. Why do you blame us? Blame gaben instead I'm jocking, gaben is our lord and savior. I'm not going to tell you about lower income and other thing like this - you probably heard it hundred of times. But we have no much choice - either give away locked games, or don't make giveaways at all. Don't tell me about retail stores - they often ship locked keys, but unlike gifts - you have no way to know about this before trying to activate, and making a giveaway just to find out that key is locked is not best experience.
So, you want to hear the suggestion? Deny to make regional restrictions for regions other then your home region. So, people from ROW regions can do only not-restricted giveaways (and row-restricted, if you'll support [this suggestion]http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/eVfbA/one-more-suggestion-about-giveaway-options)), and people from not-ROW regions - not-restricted and giveaways for their home region. So, only two options. This way, people from row regions can't exploit region-locked giveaways, and people from restricted regions are still able to make giveaways for people in same region.
What do you think?
UPD. I'm closing this topic now, because people here reminded me that this restrictions could be easily avoided in closed groups, so this wouldn't have much sense
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