Hey, guys. With the feature"Request a New Winner" it's pretty simple now to re-roll your giveaway if you have reason. And I give one to you.

Group Hammer of Justice keep collecting all cheaters, abusers, re-gifters, traders, etc. in our List of Cheaters. Please, check it before sending your gift, just search for username and if he/she listed, don't give a game (now you have reason) and request re-roll.

So, as I wrote in title - don't feed cheaters and they'll starve to death (or just leave this place).

Here is List of Cheaters

P.S. if someone can make this thread "sticky" it will be awesome

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FAQ: Don't call out users on the forum, Sorry just erase their profile links, and their giveaway links(change them to) screenshots with their name blocked out instead :P

1 decade ago
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Don't you think he has done enough already?

I agree with the faq, but rules are for avoiding non-sense talks, but this isn't one of those situations. right?

1 decade ago
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I agree that this post should be able to call out, but im just trying to help him not get banned :|

1 decade ago
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Banning is to stray people off from causing trouble. I don't think his action would be referred as such.

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You can't break rules just because you think you're doing something good.
What if those regifters has given the games to their poor friend or someone who asked them for it? Should they be condemned because they did what they thought was good?
My point is, you can't break rules. No exceptions.

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Wait what? " Dont break the rules, but poor puppy dog eyed friends who ask for your win are ok. But don't break the rules."

Seems legit

1 decade ago
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I... don't know what do you mean.

1 decade ago
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Go back and read what you wrote lol :P (to follow)

You can't break rules just because you think you're doing something good. (Dont break the rules)

What if those regifters has given the games to their poor friend or someone who asked them for it? Should they be condemned because they did what they thought was good? (Giving to a friend is ok)

My point is, you can't break rules. No exceptions. (But dont break the rules)

See the confusion? You argued both sides haha

1 decade ago
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Oh, you didn't understand me. The only thing i wanted to say that breaking the rule is still breaking a rule, no matter the purpose.

1 decade ago
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Ah well your middle sentences state otherwise and confuse :P That's why I was like o_0

1 decade ago
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Yeah, i could've form my comment better. In my original post i used a few too grim examples and conclusion, so i tried to rephrase it, but, apparently, with no success :P

1 decade ago
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Even so, in the middle line, you sound like breaking rules isn't THAT bad. :P

1 decade ago
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Well then let me elaborate!
Regifting is worse than cancer!

1 decade ago
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No, I was saying re-gifting without using SG again. Re-gifting to a friend/family member directly. Would you refer that to as cancer?

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Of course i wouldn't! As i said, it's worse!

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Care to elaborate?

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What if those regifters has given the games to their poor friend or someone who asked them for it? Should they be condemned because they did what they thought was good?

This is my question too.

He is breaking a rule cause he can't tolerate many people breaking it and mods doing nothing about it.

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Honestly i think there should be an exception for this case... We know it's against the rules to call out users, but this website is completly rigged with cheaters that it's just sad, when i joined this community months ago, it was damn nice back then... opening this to everyone and their mother was probably the biggest mistake CG ever did.

Whenever i get back to gifting games i'm going to put really heavy rules in a group i'll make, already got a few plans for future groups that will accept honest people and trustworthy contributors. This is the way i like to see the website, safe and clean.

1 decade ago
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It is a commendable action but I don't think you're allowed to post this here, it's against the rules to call out users on the forum.

1 decade ago
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already covered that.

1 decade ago
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This is the advantages those enlisted people are taking to hide their presence.

1 decade ago
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sadly its an imperfect list. not everyone reported ends up on it and i know that atleast one person on it (so likely more), dont deserve to be. i sure hope no good users who end up on the list unfairly get denied a win because of it.

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DONT GET ME wrong though, i know that we certainly need a list like this... i mean we all know the mods here arent really that concerned or interested in punishing cheaters, but all im saying is that you guys really need to be careful with this list of yours.... which i think we definately need, because ultimately its going to only be down to just the users to keep this place honest and strong...

1 decade ago
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are you two brothers?

1 decade ago
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nope, but one of us is an imposter. you'll never guess which.

1 decade ago
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I'd say the one with a skull in his avatar.

1 decade ago
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Shit.. I think he's on to you.

1 decade ago
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YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE, COPPERS!!

1 decade ago
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I ALREADY DID

1 decade ago
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You always can contact me or ExSol and proof that you are no cheater, its not a problem.

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Are you taking into consideration that some people win that game, like it and then give it away? I mean, I could imagine you looking at my won/given away list and saying I've regifted Deus EX: HR.

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It's unlikely you have regifted it, since it's showing in your games list.

1 decade ago
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What sorcery is this, isn't my profile private?

1 decade ago
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Not sure how Woodchuck is seeing it, but I just checked and while your profile is private your public screenshots are still viewable, and the first thumbnail visible on the profile page is one from HR.

1 decade ago
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Ideally we could look at your list of games to see if you actually activated the game. However, as your profile is private, we can only speculate...

1 decade ago
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I'll give you a tip, I've given it away before winning it. Some weird context behind of it. Anyway, apparently Atomic Woodchuck can see my games in some weird way D: Maybe online profile databases.

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Na mate, not saying you have re-gifted it; if you had you probably wouldent say so on the forums heh, just that most people have a public profile, and from that we can see if they activated the game or not. Besides you won the game from Cross, and he is srs about his giveaways :3.

1 decade ago
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Don't worry, I have a clear conscience, so I didn't even think anyone would seriously suspect me.

1 decade ago
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Many of these are not yet banned.

Needs someone with the power, and the time, to work through these and eliminate them from Steamgifts. :(

1 decade ago
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We call people like this "support".

1 decade ago
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which this place doesnt have. seriously, the mods here dont seem to care about fakers, regifters or exploiters anymore, doesnt matter if you use support or giveaway report or user report. the WORST that happens, is that the giveaway gets deleted. how is that any kind of deterrent? is it any wonder people continue to do this stuff if the worst that happens is a deleted giveaway?

honestly, ive stopped caring that people exploit the site. i dont even bother reporting anymore because i know theres no point.

1 decade ago
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Well maybe there's no problem with the support, but with people like you? If no one report a rulebreaker, no one will ban him.

1 decade ago
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...but i HAVE reported in the past and no action was taken, so how do you figure its not a problem with support but a problem with me? Ive reported a regifter and a fake (not accidental) giveaway creator, and zero action was taken... is it any wonder i longer think its worth reporting and have ZERO faith in the mods? i honestly believe 100% that they just dont care any more.

and as a result.. neither do i now.

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As far as I know only CG can ban and he's understandably and likely very busy. The other mods can deal with tickets but Jade is still waiting for banning powers. When that happens, find a hole to crawl in and then emerge later after the hammer has been swung and decimated the SG landscape of cheaters, regifters, exploiters, and traders.

1 decade ago
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Well, let's just say that out of my 16 reports on the support forum, only 3 weren't answered.

1 decade ago
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For fuck's sake, SHIV, understand what you are talking about before you run your mouth. It's very simple to search for "Support" on the forum search bar.

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Most, if not all on the list will have been reported already. The list only exists because there is a backlog, and cheats are still getting games.

The problem with support, if indeed there could be said to be one, is that they don't have an unlimited amount of time to deal with the legion of tossers who, often deliberately, flout the rules. Neither should they be expected to spend hours and hours on this site, dealing with idiots, when they have lives to lead outside of Steamgifts.

The problem is gradually getting dealt with, but until then, IMHO the list seems as good a way as any of restoring a degree of order to the site.

1 decade ago
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This

1 decade ago
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Well, who the fuck else did you think I was talking about?

1 decade ago
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Mmmm I don't know.. Who decides who gets on this list- and what the requirements are? Ok, obvious regifters etc, sure, but a bunch will be false positives.. Needs individual attention on a case-by-case basis anyway.

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Which is why I used words like "work through" rather than, say, "ban indiscriminately".

1 decade ago
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Sure, list imperfect because we don't have list of reported on SG and just collecting what we can find. If person want to be removed from it, he can talk with any member of HoJ and describe the situation. There are lot of user who made one mistake occasionally, but also others here, who sells/trade all that they won.

As for rules, I understand it, but I can't see other option. I tried to contact cg and asked about possible cooperation with HoJ, but my message still unanswered (wrote 1 week ago).

1 decade ago
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See no other option? Maybe you should try to, i don't know... contact the support, like the FAQ states?

1 decade ago
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So essentially, cg doesn't get back to you in one week, so you decide to it's okay to break a rule yourself, because it's for the greater good ? Vigilantism ftw :/

1 decade ago
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LOL WUT Where did you seen rule breaking from our side?

1 decade ago
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See FAQ ("Please do not call out users in the forum or chat.") and this("You do not call out people on the forums or the chat. Ever.")

1 decade ago
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if regifting is not allowed, why they are not banned yet?

1 decade ago
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Feel free to report them, its what I've been doing.

1 decade ago
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we reported them and can't do anything else except this,but you can report too and chance to ban them should increase

1 decade ago
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Mods are just now coming online again. And, soon hopefully, will have the power to ban.

1 decade ago
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Some would say Exsol is calling out lusers abusing the system for their own gain.

Others would say he's using verifiable links to warn legitimate users for the betterment of the community.

This is a matter of semantics. And in a matter of semantics, choosing the morally right intent is typically the way to go.

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Calling out users is calling out users, no matter why. The rules say not to call out users, period. They don't say it's okay to call out users because you happen to have some (moral or otherwise) justification.

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I propose the formation of a committee to further define the act of "calling out!"

Is "calling out" providing information in even the slightest form to indicate to others that a person may be a violator of the rules?

Is "calling out" only "calling out" when information provided is "overtly" available?
What about in cases where information is "covert?" (in that it is not immediately available, you must follow the path of righteousness).

Is it calling out if no information is provided, but only a mere hunch? (Most certainly we can agree that this is unacceptable).

1 decade ago
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Are you seriously implying that putting users on a public list labeled "List of Cheaters" is not calling someone out ?

1 decade ago
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Its serious offence, but he is breaking one rule so many could be stopped from breaking others.

Do you think everything good in this world is governed by rules? In that's case the court should be ALWAYS right. But are they?...of course not!

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The reason for this is not so that scammers can continue running around doing harm because we're secretly in league with them. It's because what if you get it wrong?

OP posted with proofs/links.

1 decade ago
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"Even if you have seemingly undeniable proof they're a scammer or they're trading wins or whatever, never post about them in the forum or chat"

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Seemingly Undeniable != Absolutely Right

1 decade ago
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Evidence != Proof

That said, maybe this quote is absolute enough:
"You do not call out people on the forums or the chat. Ever."

1 decade ago
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Unfortunately, this is how the world works. They take a bunch of evidence and form a proof out of it. I wish(and I already do) I could agree with your statement. Evidence is never a proof.

Anyway, there is not point of arguing any further.

1 decade ago
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Didn't imply anything... fights urge to call you a name

I just asked questions and made a joke about forming a committee to define "calling out."

1 decade ago
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I'm sorry. I thought you meant the 'committee' part seriously. Poe's Law, I guess.
I apologize for thinking you were foaming at the mouth, and for my rude tone ;)

1 decade ago
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No sweat, buddy. Glad we got that settled. It can be difficult to articulate a sense of humor through this kind of communication.

While I don't whole-heartedly agree with the "never call out ever ever ever" argument (that is not to say I don't agree with it at all) I do want to see a change to this site to make it better.

I have made a small effort to bring to attention an idea I had to better this site (search "competency test" in the forum as I don't remember how to link. I still stand by my idea there and wish the mods would consider/implement it.

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I'm happy someone understands the definition of semantics.

1 decade ago
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I applaud you and yours attempts and desire to make this site a better place.

However, I worry that fanaticism may slither its ugly head into your operation which could lead to a sort of "false positive" situation. Sometimes it is cut-n-dry; sometimes it isn't. I only hope that honest people don't "accidentally" find themselves on the list.

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We check and re-check everybody who looks like cheater, there is a chance of mistake, as everywhere people involved, but we trying to make it as low as we can. I think - beater not to punish one guilty men, then punish unguilty.

1 decade ago
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Sure i open page... click on first name "latest giveaway" i check... gift received.

1 decade ago
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You appear to be missing the point. Please start over and read from the beginning.

Edit: Do you appear on the list? looks through your profile huh, how about that...

1 decade ago
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I think the only reason this group and this thread even exists is because of the duration we had the site run rampant with no mods in sight. However, they're back, so... I suggest closing the thread.

1 decade ago
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So what? I reported user (who didn't activate 10(!) games which he won) few days ago and he is still not banned. :v

1 decade ago
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Because right now we have no ban capabilities. We will soon though.

1 decade ago
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Give them time? I can't imagine how much crap they have to be sifting through. Besides, they have other things to do than sit here all day >_> ... unlike me.

Oooh, idea! I nominate myself as Moderator :D

1 decade ago
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Quoth the Falcon, "Never ever."
Sorry, couldn't stop myself.

1 decade ago
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xD

1 decade ago
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Thank for the list, but I prefer to check the winners out myself to be sure. Now with the new system it's a lot easier than before anyway. :)

And, yeah, what everyone else said...

1 decade ago
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Complain about and attempt take take action about other people breaking the rules...by breaking the rules.

Makes sense.

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How else is he gonna get it known to people here on steamgifts? If he blurred it, you would have known nothing!

1 decade ago
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Yeah, I'm done with this thread. Closing.

1 decade ago
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Closed 1 decade ago by Exsol.