What I mean is that there are a lot of users registered here who are not only ungrateful for the games being given, but many who even feel entitled to them. There's a significant chance that if you do a public giveaway, not only will you not be thanked for it, you might even encounter someone who will complain that you didn't get the game to them fast enough, etc.. I avoid such giveaways specifically because I don't care to spend my money on games for people with that sort of attitude. The additions were just little jabs at people who keep pushing this idea of a 'thank you button' and people who don't feel they should even say thank you at all in any way, respectively. It's a shame, really, because I know there are a lot of users out there who would be grateful and who I would be happy to have win one of my giveaways, but it's sort of a case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch (although not really in the way the saying originally meant, admittedly).
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In my view the argument here is people saying thanks mostly do it automatically...
Personally I find saying "thanks" on every giveaway pointless, as a sincere "thanks" will get lost in all the automatic responses. First thing to do for those who support this concept, is to stop saying just thanks, and make your thank you message more unique, rather than one in the bunch.
The few points at which I personally did do a reply, which was in the less crowded giveaways, mostly private; and even if I did a unique comment, it felt pointless as no feedback was given whatsoever by the maker...
I understand you expect a certain degree of gratitude being shown, but these automatic responses are just the same as nothing in my eyes...
And those bad apples...It happens...Personally I've done giveaways in my own way on a tf2 item giveaway site (tf2r.com), and the people I sometimes had to give prizes to just instantly traded me. When I tried to talk to them, half the time it just appeared that they did not speak English very well and avoided the use of it because of that. In the cases where there was a long wait, people feared they weren't going to get that item they won after all those losses, which is totally understandable.
At this point I realize I've probably typed one hell of a wall of text containing mostly jibber-jabber, so I'm cutting off my comment here :)
Have fun arguing over it :P
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Do note that I just got a lucid key because I made a unique comment on one of those giveaways :)
(Sadly it gives a weird error message, but that's probably something I did wrong; will look into it later)
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You could make a group giveaway (after mods approval, of course). If you ask for "thanks" as a winning condition, you'll get loadsa lulz moments trolling the ungrateful bastards xD
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I am a lazy ungrateful bastard with 733 givaways entered and 820 comments, and I find this offensive. :<
Regardless, it would be nice to see the "thanks"-like comments and the real comments separated, because it is literally impossible to have any kind of conversation going on at the giveaways this way. Still, I like to say thanks to those who decide to give something to the community, and it's also in the rules, so I decided to go with it. If I want to have some conversation, I'll check the forums.
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Meh, if the giveaway already has pages of thanks then I dont bother. I would rather show my appreciation by giving something away myself and let them have an opportunity to win. Personally I think its more important to participate in the forums then it is to be the 101st person to say thanks.
I would make sure to say thanks in the hypothetical situation that I won though, likely an annoying number of times.
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You usually get roughly 1 comment for every 10 entries.
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My comment ratio is pretty bad, but for the one giveaway I did win I personally thanked the giver on Steam.
Just cause you can't see it, doesn't mean they didn't say thanks.
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What's wrong with everyone here and these threads?
I know lots of users here who won giveaways and not only did they not thank in the giveaway page , they never thanked the user who sent them the gift afterwards at all. I think that's totally ungrateful on their part.
Personally, I don't really like seeing 1000 entries on a giveaway and not even 100 comments on it. As some people want a "Thanks" button , I'd rather see a "Boot from giveaway if not commented" button. Why? For the same reason some are too lazy to thank, which is not really any reason.
I saw some very interesting views on this topic though, like making your "Thank" message more unique so it doesn't seem automatic , which I liked. However, I still think that just a "thanks" is better than nothing at all.
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Personally I'll always thank the giver, whether I entered the giveaway, or just clicked on the link and checked it out. I'd feel rude not doing so.
I've only ever given away a couple of little games, and a few keys in the forums, but it's nice to see people even just writing a simple "thanks" on my giveaways, and slightly disheartening when the winner isn't one of those. Courtesy and manners are undervalued commodities IMHO.
Just my two penn'orth.
Also, it's sad when so-called "ninjas" (aka rude, ungrateful wankers) silently grab keys in the forums without even a simple word of acknowledgement or gratitude to the giver. May their mouse hands wither and their testicles turn gangrenous...
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I say thanks when I know I'm gonna play the whole game, and I'm not saying anything if I'm just going to try it, or am not sure if the game is really interesting me.
Of course I might be playing the said game later on, for example I'm waiting with my won HL1 for the moment of HL3 announcement. :)
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Oh no, not again. I won't say a word of my opinion, nor will I comment anything here. Why? I don't want Monukai to lose his hair again.
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Oh hi there. It seems you are all having an interaction over the Internets. Good for you. You are winners at life.
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The people mentioned earlier in the thread, who only thank without meaning it or without even reading descriptions/anything, will surely bypass that option. So, filtering like that would work the opposite of what you would like it to work.
Not the only problem with this idea but just saying.
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The only true person who thanks is Ali-sama.
The rest that has a terrible entry/comment ratio obviously don't care about this community. don't you dare argue that you do. you don't even talk.
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This. I never thank people for putting up giveaways (I obviously thank them in person if I win). I simply don't see the point. If you entered a raffle in your local town you wouldn't say thank you before you'd won then would you? You may say thank you to the person who sold you the ticket but that's different. In fact, when I first joined this site I always thought it was weird people just spammed 'thanks' on every giveaway, it makes it seem as if they think they've already won.
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"If you entered a raffle in your local town you wouldn't say thank you before you'd won then would you?"
Generally raffles in 'my local town' are done for some kind of gain. For instance a 50/50 draw where a team gets 50% of the proceeds to help buy equipment, and the winner gets the other half. Or the raffle is sponsored by some kind of business. This is a website where someone has spent their own money to buy something in order for someone else to enjoy it. They have gone out of their way to do something purely for the benefit of this community.
Also I thank people for any number of things, and I always mean it too. I guess it just depends on what kind of person you are.
I'd rather have people 'spamming' thank yous in a comment thread than spamming 'why the hell should I thank people' arguments on the forums. We've seriously had this discussion at least a dozen times now.
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Really? in my town, most raffle et.c I've seen are out of donations in order to raise money for charity or the local church or school.
If you throw the words 'thank you' around too much for things as trivial as being 1 in 500 on an internet site, it starts to lose it's meaning for when you truly mean it.
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I am not against thanking people. In case that hasn't been clear in this thread. I think if you're going to do it, very very simple steps can make it more meaningful... like... adding the gifters name before or after the 'thanks' maybe, use a full sentence.
We have a lot of spam on the site that comes off as mindless, impersonal dribble, and I think a lot of people who complain about people's comment/entry ratios like making a big fuss about something that really doesn't matter.
If you win something, and you don't thank the person - something is incredibly wrong with you.
I think showing appreciation for what is essentially a donation is very important, and even if you aren't entering for big games because you have them, sharing your appreciation with gifters is important.
But I don't think spamming 'thanks' on everything is doing that. Not in spirit, not in practice.
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I think you might be mixing up personal feelings with facts. For instance just because you think simply saying 'thank you' on a giveaway is not a valid show of appreciation doesn't mean that no one does.
Personally I felt good about every single post I got on my giveaways, regardless of content. I think it's good to at the very least say 'thanks' in a giveaway, its fine if others don't agree, but I don't think we should make it a rule to have to say thanks, or a rule to not say thanks.
When you have rules forcing people to say or not say things, that is when the meaning is lost for me. Right now no one has to say anything, but the fact that some people say 'thanks' when they don't even have to, that means something to me, and probably others as well.
I understand the argument that, 'if they were truly thankful they would put more effort'. In theory it holds some water, but the fact is the people who say even just 'thanks' or 'ty' have put infinitely more effort into showing their appreciation than those who have not posted anything...
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Laziness is the mother of all defects, and we must respect the mothers, that's it!
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I check the winners of giveaways now and then and NO ONE has a comment/entry ratio even near 1:1, hell most of them haven't even done more then max 10 comments on hundreds of entries.
It should be required to say a simple thanks before you even enter IMO.
lazy ungrateful bastards! :/
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