Are you afraid of using G2A?
it would be cheaper if you bought it from a trader here
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You get it for free if you pirate it. There's no need to be proud of your support of unauthorized resellers that undermine the game industry just because you think you're saving money by supporting the guys in the trenchcoats.
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Unauthorized sellers don't mean that they are not honest sellers,
I'll give them a chance of trust.
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They aren't honest sellers. I don't think you understand what "unauthorized resellers" and "gray/black" markets mean. It means they screw companies over by selling stolen codes and stealing game sells from retail stores where the publishers/developers actually get paid from. None of them get a cut from G2A, Kinguin, or similar.
There's plenty of evidence on it for you to look into. Even the G2A Shield is illegal. Under international trade laws you're granted the right to a working product upon purchase. G2A charges you for something you're entitled to for free. And you blindly let them violate your rights just because you think you can save a few bucks on a key that may or may not revoke later. If you want to rationalize your dishonesty (that you're in it to profit yourself only and that it's ethical to do so through them) then you'll have to find somebunny who gives a shit. I only care about the truth and legitimacy, not "key worked legit +rep" dumbassery.
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despite popular opinion, i have my doubts how people on g2a that have like 10k trades and 100% positive rating are selling stolen keys.
also saying noneof them get a cut from g2a doesnt make any sense. like zero sense at all. For game to be resold, it has to be sold first. And thats where publishers get their cut. Or are you implying publishers should get their cut twice? I honestly dont get it.
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Although in this particular case, it's most likely keys from GMG Russia.
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im sure they do, but im also quite sceptic and dont believe how people in question, ones with tons of positive feedback that have been selling keys for years are suddenly going to start selling stolen keys.
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Now I'm afraid it a stolen key,
I'll give them benefit of the doubt,
but I'll update this thread later and I'll request refund cause G2A shield if this is indeed a stolen key.
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I'm guessing it is from GMG Russia rather than stolen and the bigger worry would be that it gets retroactively region locked rather than revoked.
Even the best sellers on G2A can't predict when that kind of thing might happen - although it is uncommon, only a few publishers have done it and Paradox aren't one of those so hopefully you will be fine.
Also check you aren't making recurring payments for your G2A shield as this 'bargain' might end up costing you money.
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I've purchased countless keys from reputable sellers there, and not once has a single key been revoked as stolen, FWIW.
I'd say most keys there are actually resold from other territories where the price is cheaper.
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It's not like "you get screwed with stolen keys" but more like "you're helping unauthorized/shady resellers". If you wanna try the game, buy it on steam, play less than 2 hrs, then ask for a refund (or get a "pirated" copy) then buy it when it's on sale on Steam, authorized Steam-key sellers, GOG, etc.
And as I said, yes, getting a "pirated" version to try the game before buying it on sale is better than feeding shady resellers exploiting regional prices or scamming people.
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You're hung up on this "authorized" seller thing...I simply don't share the same POV, sorry.
This is a classic arbitrage situation and happens with many products all over the world, every single day. Otherwise known as free-market capitalism.
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You're talking about the users. The user market is just an ebay system, a trading site. The store itself sells things and THAT is what we target when we say "unauthorized resellers". Individuals selling their stock goes under ebay/garage sale laws which under EU law grants a user a right to transfer ownership of even digital products. But when stores do it they go under the trade commission laws.
Resellers claim to buy boxed copies and sell the codes. In reality they buy humble codes, amd/nvidia codes, and even acquire codes marked as "stolen" by the publishers. So whether or not the copies were legitimately purchased for a particular title can never be determined because G2A and ilk will always hide their sources (whose terms they're in violation of). But you can still find them selling games from the Origin Humble Bundle and others unavailable from any other promotions at those prices.
Again, ebay/garage/individual laws don't apply to stores. Wal Mart can't buy copies of games on sale and put them on their store without a lawsuit. But being in China/Russia seems to suddenly make everything less illegal even when they sell products they're not authorized to sell across global borders that they're in violation of.
Some of their keys may have been legitimate at one time. But either you're underpaying for a shady new game or overpaying for one you could have gotten for free or cheaper. It's a lose-lose situation even if you think you're protected by "g2a shield" ( http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/354441-g2a-support-0-paypal-support-1/ )
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man you make it sound like 98,95% of those keys were stolen. No need to be so dramatic really :P
Yeah im sure there are some keys and no i woulnt buy things from their store or from people with 4 transactions. And yes id totally buy games from sellers with 100% feedback and thousands of trades. Some people get hit by a car, but that doesnt mean most cars are going to hit someone sooner or later :)
making a long post with its all doom and gloom content wont really make me believe i shouldnt be able to do whatever i want with something i paid for, which im allowed to when it comes to pretty much everything except games.
i dont even sell or buy on g2a, but thats simply because i have too many unplayed games, but im totally ok with us having ebay like place for games and thats why i think things like g2a are a step in a good direction. Could it be made better ?? Most likely, and imo they should ask for a proof of purchase when you are selling a game (unless they are already doing so) but saying g2a is evil, and we shouldnt be able to trade our keys away is something im not ok with.
also, i dont really see how different is it to trading games for keys here and apparently everyone is ok with that, but when it comes to selling keys on ebay-like sites ... if you do so, you are the devil. logic 101?
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You're fine trading your keys away. See the first paragraph. Reselling is fine under international trade laws [b]as long as you're an individual and not a company[/b]. Companies have to deal with intellectual property, copyrights, and distribution rights. Regulation is one part of what protects businesses.
Again, it's the company G2A that's the problem and not the users. Understanding the differences is important.
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until today i didnt even know g2a sells keys on their own. oh well TIL :) But than again, that should be rather easy to overcome as they might just pose as a trader and sell it via a few people to avoid legal issues, which they are probably already doing?
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You are learning quickly, Padawan. It gets very deep, dark, and legally complicated when you understand more and more of what it takes to operate a network as large and profitable as theirs.
The sad part is that publishers/developers are so intimidated by them and afraid of a legal battle. Then you have stupid companies partnering with them, companies that would rather give away G2A games/gift cards than to have my business which makes absolutely no sense. It'd be easy for them to get legitimate partners too. I can do that much on my own.
The whole thing is crapola and it all started with mainstream support of unauthorized resellers with no legal ramifications despite clear violations. So I really have some work ahead of me. ^^
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despite popular opinion, i have my doubts how people on g2a that have like 10k trades and 100% positive rating are selling stolen keys.
anecedotally 90% of SG users mark fake/otherwise incorrect GA's as "recieved" too.
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umm no its not a valid comparasion really. Some people do that because they dont really care about it that much, unlike games on g2a and similar sites where you have to pay for it so i wouldnt put my money on people marking not working keys (they had to pay for) with + rep or however it works there :P
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90% lol
You know you have to have a set minimum to get CV for it,not like it use to be where you only needed 1,even then it was not that bad lol.
Nice try though,and how would you know how many GA where incorrect and marked as "received" You must have some powers the rest of us do not or your just going way over board to try prove a point and a weak one at that given that it is not even true.
Still does not change the fact that supporting the site no matter if it buying direct or using the marker,is supporting activities that should not be,there is a reason you do not see those in the U.S. they would get shut down.
Go ahead use them if your okay with maybe getting a stolen key also your supporting those who buy in bulk from humble or happy hour on Indiegala when they are not meant for resell but eh your life your choice.
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+1 I wish more people shared our mindset, but sadly the masses are lazy and blind or just willfully ignorant.
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I don't use G2A myself, but it seems like the vast majority of grey market keys sold are from boxed copies and/or cheaper regions, with only a small handful of cases of keys bought with stolen credit cards.
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I'll stop buying from "unauthorized sellers" when the companies realize that the production cost of digital games is not the same as physical editions.
There's no extra cost there, no need to print anything, no need to set up the discs, and no need to ship. So why they still charge me 60+ bucks for a DIGITAL game?
Digital editions were supposedly cheaper because they would skip all the extra costs, yet they try to milk people by overcharging us every single time.
So no, fuck companies and praise "unauthorized" dealers
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^^ thats the spirit :P
and not only that but unlike physical disks which we were owners of, we dont actually own our $60 plus games any longer.
its a win win for umm... publishers i suppose :)
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Your not very clear on how things works.
All you own when you buy boxed is the fancy media it is printed on nothing more.,why do so many think you magically own everything if you buy it on media?It was never the case you still had an EULA that said you only had rights to use said assets,code and so on provdied on media.
The only thing you owned again was the media it came on,once you sold said game you had to remove said game and destroy any backup copies.
The only difference now is they have more control over what they can do with it,so if you do not agree to updated terms they can revoke your access to the game,the same applied when you bought the media version only it was pretty much impossible to enforce as you may not agree with then EULA but you still clicked install because they had little control over enforcing it.
Now they can enforce it like they always wanted so you do not get with the new EULA you do not play,it was always like that it just they had no real way to enforce it.
So if you did not agree to EULA did you get rid of the boxed copy you bought? nope you just ignored it and clicked install but you still did not own crap lol you just where given rights to use assets and so on for the game,if you actually owned it you would be able to resell it as yours and do whatever you wanted with the code and assets and so on that is true ownership.
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I belive you also own a single lifetime transferable license.
However, you only have that one license, you can't make copies to sell.
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Given your library I don't see where you'd even need to use one. All of your games have already been free, bundled, or had 75% sales. What have unauthorized resellers saved you from?
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Mine? I got my fair share of games bought on reseller webs.
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You missed the question and the point. Your argument was "they let me buy $60 games for less" and "I don't want to pay full price for digital games", but you have no $60 games. Just free ones, bundle games, and 75% sale ones. You're not the demographic of your own reasoning. If anything, you've been losing money by paying more for bundles you missed.
You're free to explain how you're being saved by unauthorized resellers at any time now. Your collection doesn't take any effort to trade for using only legitimate channels. But apparently you're actually buying them all with your own money and "saving" too. I'd love to hear how. ^^
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Funny how you come to that conclusion just by looking at my library, kinda sad if you ask me
Yes, I have lots of games coming from bundles (especially humble), but most of them I got them during steam sales, trades and won here, so your poor logic doesn't apply here I'm afraid.
From "filthy unauthorized devil sellers" I only got 4 games, all of them WAY cheaper than the "holy and legal stores". Why would I pay 60 € for GTA V when I can pay 35 for it?
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You just proved my logic though. They haven't saved you at all and you overpaid for that GTA and other games. How do you think they can sell it to you at a profit region free? They're no charity. You could have gotten them cheaper legitimately.
But you seem to be on your own crusade there against "the industry" whose products you're still buying. I was hoping to see a valid reason why that was but your reasons for being against them are caused by nothing more than your own ignorance, stubbornness, and hypocrisy. You're very welcomed to continue losing money for the sake of something you convinced yourself of. Have fun with that!
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Its actually pretty sad that you judge people based on... absolutely nothing.
Last big game I bought was GTA, at 35 € (yes, way cheaper than your beloved official sellers who ask 60 € for it). Rest are bundles or gifts. I do not buy games anymore because i'm busy with HotS atm and I don't plan on quitting anytime soon.
Oh and another nice game I got myself was Arkham Origins for 4 bucks and its season pass for about 5 (while in steam at that time it was still priced at 40) See the difference? Or you don't really care about it
Sorry to say but your logic is totally flawed. For some reason you seem to be butthurt about something I cannot really understand but, if you like to get scammed and milked for every new release go ahead, its your money, you burn it as you desire, none of my business. But please don't judge people just because you're mad at key resellers.
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You missed the part about you still overpaying and me still paying less than you for everything. I get most stuff for free anyway through trading, and I still get much better discounts than you do. If this is so hard for you to understand then I have no idea how to help you.
I enjoy HOTS as well. Fun game.
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Good for you, couldn't care less about trading, even though I did it many times. Btw, stay in your bubble thinking you pay less than me, if that makes you happy
Won't keep going with this pointless argument, so enjoy your day, I won't reply back ,cya
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It's just a fact that you're losing out. The evidence strongly supports that much. You want to cover your eyes and ears and go "lalalala I won and you can't say anything else to me" - you're well within your rights to be a stupid child if that's what you want. I wouldn't expect anything else from the type of person that's stupid enough to use unauthorized resellers.
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So your excuse for maybe buying a stolen key or one that was not meant to be resold is because your to cheap to pay full price
Damn now you sound like those damn pirates who use that same reason to pirate.
You still have no leg to stand on so careful your starting to fall..
I am not sure you fully understand how the term "milking" is used on the context your trying to use it in,as they are not over charging as it is there product to charge what they want not for you to decide what the value is.What someone is charging for there product despite it being more then you want to pay is not "milking" as you call it,They have enough sales throughout the year for these games i am not sure how they could be milking it when you do not have to pay full price,just because you want it now and at the price you want does not meant they are milking if it is more then your cheap ass will pay.
Here so you can understand how "milking" works..
Sometimes called 'milking the cash cow', 'milking the cow' can also be applied to any franchises which continue to drain the public of as much cash as possible and attempt to attach the brand name to absolutely everything, be it cereal, video games, car adverts, tshirts, bedsheets, plush toys, action figures, computer accessories or anything else that would be seemingly unrelated.
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Hey, if you feel comfortable paying 60 bucks for air its fine, I just won't. Keep feeding the industry so they can keep bullshitting us with idiotic excuses and overpriced games and dlc.
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This. It's actually better to pirate it than support re-sellers buying keys that don't give shit to developers (even if they're legit keys).
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Yes, but devs actually get bigger cut if you pirate it and buy it later from sales.
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That would depend a lot on how much the key originally cost. If it's just a low price region key, then the developer/publisher would still have got roughly 70% of what it originally cost, so unless the key was super cheap, chances are that you would have to buy it more less than 50% off for it to actually be a worse deal for the publisher/developer. Boxed copies are a bit trickier, here developers/publishers gets (very roughly) 30% of the money you spend on it, the store got its cut, taxes, shipping & handling and so on, so yes chances are that the developer/publisher would end up getting more if you just waited for a proper sale (but still not if you were to wait for a bundle)
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no its not. And no they dont get bigger cut if you dont ever buy it. Implying you are going to buy it after you pirate it doesnt change that because most pirates dont actually buy games.
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I know. I meant that if you can't afford to pay full price, but you're still want to pay for it, it's better to pirate and buy it later from sales.
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+1 They're unauthorized resellers. The keys you'll find there are very often from someone who has spare keys, or even stolen keys or keys bought through illegitmate means like stolen cards. There's an obvious reason why it's so cheap...
And it's not because you'll have no problem that it means it's legit.
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see thats where we differ.
Im one of those people who believes we should be able to do whatever we want, with something we paid for.
I can buy a car and resell it, i can buy a bread and resell it too, but if i buy a game im not allowed to do anything other than use it for myself. Why should we let publishers have it their way?? Plus its just a matter of time before EU stops such a behavior.
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When you're buying a game, you only buy the right to use it, you don't own it. That's why you can't resell it or make whatever you want with it. I'm not saying that this is perfect but that's how the things are. And it's not really the publishers' fault: Steam has created this DRM system.
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Console games says otherwise, with physical copy too.
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Sometimes that game needs to be registered online too. Plus even second-hand console games tend to be on par of PC digital sale prices, or sometimes cost more.
Not to mention that the reliance on physical storage media is a disadvantage for some people. I just witnessed a speedrunner on Twitch last week having to replace his PS3 disk because it wore out so much it became unreadable. No such problems with cloud-based gaming.
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Just because they can resell it does not mean they own it
I wish people would learn how things work it is madness.
You can sell the disc that is what your selling,not the contents on it,you do not own that,you merely have the rights to use it.console people never owned it anymore then pc people.
If Microsoft did not change what he wanted to do it would have been the same,one time use code,and that "game" you so called owned you would not able to resell as they key you used would have been one time use and locked to that game same way a key is locked to steam account.
Bottom line is still does not change in any case you owned anything,all consoles owners really own is the media it is on,nothing more just because you can sell something does not mean it is 100% yours.True ownership means you own all the rights to it,not just part of it.What you are selling is the media.
Gamestop is no better then unauthorized resllelrs of pc games imo....and i am tired of hearing if it was not for used most could not afford to game,if you can not afford it time for a new hobby.
It is people who pay the full price that allow you to play not gamestop,they make more money then the publishers selling used they deserve cut but do you think gamestop cares,and they care about is printing money
"Power To My Pockets" should be there motto
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and im not ok with either one. I used to buy games on cd for less than im paying for digital games now, and i was actually owner of said games unlike now.
So while you might be ok with publishers charging as much as they used to for physical discs, or even more with retarded preorder system for digital games, plus they figured hey lets also keep rights on those games too, while selling it to customers for $60... i really, really cant see any benefits to us as customers with those changes.
also not to mention i have my doubts how steams or other publishers eula can override your consumer rights, where you actually own things you buy so even if publishers were to go head to head with g2a it probably wouldnt hold water on court because its people selling games they paid for, end of :P
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Again you never where the owner you might want to learn the difference from "rights" and ownership
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Is there a promo where G2A gives you store credit when you preach their game store on a forum? Can you link me to it
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I got a mansion full of boobies, try contacted them ;D
No need to be negative all the time, although that's completely up to you.
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You know I've always been tempted by some deals on that site, but not tempted enough. Sure that key works now, but I'd rather know my key was gained legitimately, and wont be revoked, even if I pay a lot more for that knowledge.
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Much like any really good deal, you just have to approach it from the perspective that you may end up with nothing at all. The only thing I've bought from there was a cheap Xbox Live Gold - 12 month card for my little brother. It was a great price and worth a shot and it redeemed just fine.
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I bought half the games I own on that site and never had any trouble with it. Once I got a key that didn't work, but I contacted them (using Shield) and I got a working key within a day. In my experience their customer service is great as well.
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Good for you, same situation but when I needed G2A shield that I paid for they didn't enforce seller making irrelevant excuses. They're just an expensive middleman that serve in cases that fit them.
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That's true, I don't even use it anymore on purchases below 5 euro.
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-checks bank account-
I'll skip until its 98% off. Oh well.
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If only I could buy boxes of chocolates for 76% off to even out my salty life.
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Is the game basically like neo Baldur's Gate? Photos remind me of it.
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It actually is! Lots of people from the old Baldurs Gate-Games are involved and they recreated a modern version of the BG-Engine for this game.
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it's supposed to be BG's spiritual successor, but i have played it a bit (reached ~lv6 with a party) in my brother's gog account and it was a bit boring to be honest...
don't get me wrong, it's not bad, compared to baldur's gate 1 it looks amazing, but falls short compared to bg2.
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It controls similarly, but it's a lot closer to Temple of Elemental Evil's starting expanded to a 40-hour campaign. And the RPG mechanics are drastically different.
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Yep. In terms of gameplay & how the game is built in general, it's relatively close to Baldur's Gate 2. It uses a custom ruleset (one that does not seem to punish mages at low levels and warriors at high levels to nearly the same degree as AD&D), but it's close enough to BG 2 that if you enjoyed that game, you'll most likely enjoy Pillars. I actually enjoy it more than BG2, and a lot of it has to do with not having to deal with the quirks of AD&D.
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Afraid of G2A? No. I'm just past the point in my life where I want to risk buying from the grey/black market. Not just games, any type of goods.
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I never bought and I would never buy from G2A. My experience with that people: Someone made a giveaway for a game bought at G2A and I win it. After 1 month Steam revoked the key from my account, and after 1 month of sending screenshots and arguing with G2A support, the guy had to buy me another key for the game :/ So yeah, "cheap" games... I prefer supporting charity and developers than supporting resellers and credit card thieves, thanks
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For first timers using G2A, make sure that you disable the auto monthly payment for G2A Shield.
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What the? how to disable it? Is my game safe without monthly payment too?
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I forgot how. But if you're a one time only costumer like me it is better to disable the auto payment. They charge you about 1.5 euro. Try googling "how to disable g2a shield auto payment".
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Damnation,
Here : "If you disable G2A Shield, you will lose the 100% satisfaction guarantee. Additionally, by signing up for the next recurring G2A Shield, you will pay 2€ instead."
What a slick snake.
update : I tried to disable it, but can't
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You can only disable it 48 hours before renewal. Another trick to make people forget it and make them pay.
By the way, this fraudulent protection is a legal obligation for them since they are registered in the EU. So people are paying for something they should provide naturally as a service. If they were actually 100% legit.
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From their T&C: "If the User does not want to continue the subscription after the initial term he/she needs to unselect subscription in his/hers account panel which can be done only during the last two days of the initial term"
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I never have and never will purchase from G2A. Supporting black/grey market re-sellers undercuts the developers/publishers and you have no idea whether you're getting a 'legit' key or a stolen one. They're worse than pirates IMHO ... at least a good number of pirates never intended to purchase the game anyway (so no sales are lost) or will purchase it later on a legitimate sale. Even G2A Shield, their purchase protection program, is a scam - when you purchase something, you're entitled to that product without spending extra to guarantee you're going to get that product.
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Pillars of Eternity is my number one wishlist for quite sometime,
after that Divinity OS, I'll get it when DOS Enhanced Edition release.
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Maybe that's what you meant, but you might as well get it a bit before the Enhanced Edition is out since owners of the original game will get it for free.
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despite never having bought anything on G2A², i recently discovered it to be a great platform to sell stuff on it
(²steamgifts/trades is the best/cheapest counterfeit market btw.- cough cough not even kidding cough cough)
i've sold a bunch of Steam-Gifts for a very decent price however its been like 5 days i've signed up on the site
and i've never cashed out what i've sold (takes up to 15 days to do so), and thats about the most important aspect
^ does someone here have exp. with that?
from what i've seen its easy to selling anything there, so caution may be very well advised ... though i doubt
more than 20% of all the stuff being sold there is somehow "worrisome illegal" - just a wild guess, not that i'd know
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I bought 4 keys of The Secret World for my frinds in the past. 1 of the 4 didn't work, and they send me another in less than 24h.
I am not pro or cont key-pages but if you gonna do, this page is good. Anyway, 90% of the deals are simply games bought during sales and reselled, so I don't thing anybody is losing here.
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Just a question. How can steam make 75% sales for example? We are talking about DIGITAL GAMES. What does it cost to "build" a key?
Lets take a regular business as an example:
I can sell a product that costs 10€ to me in some regular shop for 25€ The regular shop gets a cut for it.
On the other hand, I can, at the same time, resell my product directly(or giving a cut too) to some other shop, with top clients that can pay 50€ for my product.
The point here is that I can have the same product, with different prices, in different shops, to different targets. (im just trying to add some thoughts to the topic, im not saying that im right, so, add your thoughts too)
Im not defending non-authorized resellers, but, everyone has bought copies of some manufactered product on ebay or some local bargain shop. Sometimes we can't handle the FULL price of things and need to buy from other places. Of course there are keys that came from stolen credit cards, but if you buy, for example, from kinguin-g2play, will those keys be stolen or bought? I never had any problem. I buy from kinguin (without buying the protection, because that doesn't make sense), I buy from steam, etc.
"90% of the deals are simply games bought during sales and reselled, so I don't thing anybody is losing here" - sometimes is just this.
What about people that are here selling/trade keys? Just try and avoid suspicious resellers..
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Development, marketing, distribution and product support usually aren't free.
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of course not. What im saying is that they can sell with multiple prices, in multiple places to increase sales, or try to.
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The trick for global digital sales is: there's a few countries that are cash cows, and everyone else earns you diddly. Why diddly? Because moving into a new market costs money - text translation, new voiceovers, licensing fees, sub-contracting, etc - and then those other markets have a lower standard of living, so price per sale is low, making it a stretch to recoup.
But you do it anyways, and then the resellers start selling back into the cash cow areas, thus undercutting the company's main source of profit. So, by entering those new markets, a company can end up doing a whole bunch more work and actually earn less money than if they never entered those markets at all. Professional companies know very well that they have to sell at different price points in order to capture all sales. But they want to capture as many full price sales as they can get, and thus they sell at an initial high price point, and slowly notch it down, in order to catch everyone at the maximum price they are willing to pay.
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jesus, it's not something to be "afraid of". make it seem like you're buying hard drugs
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It's not that I don't trust it. It's just that I don't want to give them my money. I'd rather give my money to official resellers so I know nothing shady is going on there.
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I admit I use HRK (that uses G2A payment system, so I suppose it's G2A related/owned) build-a-bundle feature to pick those few indie games I don't own from a bundle otherwise full of overbundled games (of which I already have 1 or 2 spare keys laying around). But I'm definitely not going to buy big stuff there.
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Bad, very bad. Many users try to be "traders" there, used their nicknames for advertising. But it's method of liers like "+rep". I decided to fight with this disease in my group. If official distributors don't make discounts, so ppl who sell cheaper are scammers.
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damn, their PoE white march expansion pack offer is really tempting. just for fun I added this to the cart without activating the shitty shield. when it comes to the payment they add 0,66EUR to my paypal payment (which I don't do). wtf is this fee for, anyone knows?
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The G2A Shield autopayment kicked in, already deactivated auto-payment just now.
I still can play the game though.
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I just bought Pillars of Eternity from G2A,
I used G2A shield, and the key worked.
Thank you G2A!
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