Family Sharing removal is.....
well if they try to aim for better releases hold back on season passes and create satisfiying games people wouldnt wait for all the games to get a discount and would buy more AAA titles at releases ... oh and i forgot those preorders ,especially those that you buy the game a year b4 release YAY!!!!
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Why would some one preorder something is beyond me . Also this is bull crap , I pay for the game and I can do what the fuck I want with my copy :D also TW3 is DRM free and sold like hot coffe but this is life :V
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Honestly, while not being dicks about DRM and stuff would probably make some people buy games, most of the guys pirating them just do not give a fuck about paying for someone's work and think that they are entitled to get their games for free.
I can kind of accept that kids do it since they rarely have money to buy games (though I still believe that this attitude is wrong as well and even kids can learn to be patient and wait for a sale); However there are many grown ups who make decent bucks yet pirate games because they think it is normal.
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LOL this about pirating is getting old, this is just PR in my view, I work for a global company and know how image works but some buyers really want to justify their not so good pre-order buys with the justification because you don't pre-oreder and don't buy dlc's and 90% pirate the game is subpar or broken or doesn't work :V , thank god I have MD in CS and know how this works .
I don't buy full price ,don't pre-order and pirate to see if the game is working is good etc or has a correct price it that moment :D and still have 1000+ game on Steam , gog , uplay and origin :D
But every one with his view , Have a good day sir :D
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I, personally won't buy from GOG. It's just way easier to not buy it and pirate instead. Plus, their service barely adds anything to your experience.
It doesn't have achievements, groups, statistics and other social stuff like that, that I personally like.
I'm an anecdotal piece of evidence, I know, but I just wanted to mention it, considering that I own 1000+ games on Steam.
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But they add a lot , they practicaly give you a cloud source for your install kits , I have 3 TB of Storage and still don't like to have 100's of GB of Kits in computer .
They have good old games that are not present on steam and work very good on modern OS's like for example Total overdose :D
They have GOG connect , now I have more games from steam on GOG for free kudos.
And so one, I can make a good short paper on why CD project red business model is one of the best in their domain .
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To be fair... why not just install the game? If having a bunch of kits is an issue, then just don't have them. (I'm guessing you mean installers)
They do have old games that work well. It's just that for me, old games don't appeal. Games from the 90s are usually noticeably faulty and dated when it comes to gameplay mechanics and graphics. There are some games that would prove that statement wrong, but most don't.
I get the appeal of GOG, I just don't see it as a superior to Steam still, sadly.
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It is an addition, in no way is superior to steam , and old games can be modded .
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Yeah, when people say that "Ooh, GOG will be the new Steam-killer" or whatever else like it, I kind of scuff, because those sites aren't really competing. One's for old games, the other's for newer games.
Some aspects are comparable, like we just did, but it's not really competing with Steam.
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For me it should be like this : GOG and steam should be partners as they are now with GOG connect, maybe valve should sponsor some of the games that CD project want to make .
"Ooh, GOG will be the new Steam-killer"- yep I saw a lot of those , neaa , the business model of those two differs too much to be like this and Steam has too much of market share for this to happen .
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As you have said, every single one of us has a different experience and view. I very rarely buy full price, do not pre-order and never pirate games and have 1000+ games on Steam as well, so I do not see how that matters in this discussion.
Anyway, have a good day as well!
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I respect the view of others but I see some players that say : the devs make crappy games because why should they make them good when the majority of players will just pirate it and let's focus on encryption algorithms and not on the game itself because it is better to secure a crappy game than to make a good one .
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Well, I believe that nothing in my post suggested that I am advocating devs making bad games (I am a player as well after all, so I want the games to be good too!), I am saying that piracy is wrong and cannot be excused, especially not with reasons I have described in my original post.
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This is Family Sharing.It's supposed to share games with multiple Steam accounts on the same PC or in the same house.It's very useful.Unless you play Steam Games for 24 hours a day.
That's why they have the distance restriction/device restriction and VAC ban for all accounts.
If they lift those restrictions,I can just lend my 1600 game library to a stranger from the USA for a month for 100dollars.
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You don't even have to play for that many hours for it to be a significant drawback. There is something to be said for not taking away the convenience of playing a game how you want and whenever you want and not having it be at someone else's mercy, even if it does supposedly save you money. It's a nice feature to put out there to be sure, but personally I have not found it particularly useful. Maybe others have though.
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also to mention that i can play a game on my pc and play another game at my laptop in offline mode so even if you play 24/7 others can play single players games in offline mode
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Well now wont be surprised that people instead of buying 1 copy for the household will buy 0.
It kinda reminds me of the fuck-up that 2k/Gearbox did with Battleborn Season Pass on Consoles(console have split screen)
Base Game - everybody can make account and play it on the console.
Season Pass - every account have to purchase it to access the content.
Players on GBX forums were kinda pissed for it and some of them claimed that they refunded and the game and the SP.
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They will go bankrupt if that happens. We can say a lot of bad things about Randy Pitchford, but he isn't a colossal enough idiot to risk that. A more plausible scenario is that they rush it out to get money—assuming 2K will give them funds in the first place. (Somehow I doubt they got back even a fraction of the money they invested in Battleborn.)
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Ofc he wont risk it hence why its on Pandora again( I was hoping after the reveal of shit ton of Vaults all over the the universe that we gonna get on a new planet with new characters).
Well there were articles in which Take-two said they spent almost $30mil on marketing and IIRC on Steam before the humble bundle, Battleborn had a bit more than 100k owners(Dunno about consoles).
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It had a few hundred thousand sales. Started with a quarter mil on first week or something? The launch was promising, but it died down in like 10 days. And it's not helping at all that most anyone firmly believes that it is only a matter of weeks at max before they announce the game going F2P with paid DLC and micro-transactions.
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+1.
With DRM it keeps getting harder to share your games. Guess that's why people prefer buying physical games (console mostly) since it's the only way to really ensure ownership of the product. I wish GoG had the structure and community to compete with steam, more DRM-free love would be nice.
sidenote
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While that is true, to me one of the reasons why PC games are generally so much cheaper than console games is because of the combination of the prevalence of digital distribution, the lack of a used game market, and the resulting restrictions on sharing. If not for those things I don't think the games would be as cheap as they are today.
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You are wrong, before Steam you could find cheap pc games in retail stores as well. Steam has a lot of really cheap games because they have a lot of crappy indi games. The sales on Steam for good games follow the discounts retail stores did before Steam. Consoles also have digital distribution and almost the same restrictions apply to those games.
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What Worse is that i want to share my games with friends but cannot risk a VAC ban
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Serious Sam games for one. Found someone whinging endlessly on threads of how he can't play his pal's games and may need buy it.
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Seriously? (Pun half-intended.) The entire Serious Sam collection goes on sale regularly for 10 bucks. When one can get that many games at -90% so often, that stops being an excuse and starts being a sign of not even actually wanting to play that game.
(Regardless, I don't understand why it is excluded, although with a multiplayer scene, it could be understandable.)
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LOL. Seriously yeah. Check for yourself. There is this daily whinge going on a thread daily now and I told him exactly that that. The whole pack is 10 bucks with all game and DLCs so whats stopping him? Most games are 4-5 years old on Steam there. Hasn't he shared it enough?
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Such things will either get supported or opposed. Not much options. Personally I have no issues to family sharing. if Devs are Ok Steam is OK why should I be against it? I am OK if my direct family members share games. But not friends. But lately I seen many threads of guys whinging and blaming devs as if they have a divine right to leech off friends games forever and even the when game has been 2-5 years old and available at 90-95% off dirt cheap, these guys were not interested in owning a copy at all and want to whinge at family sharing shut off after 3-5 years of release. People who want to play stuff free only will find any excuse to and play sharing or pirate it anyways. I also noticed many guys I know recklessly share games with friends and I get a lot of requests to share my games now. Thats freaky.
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I only share with my family. My point was that the poll option being in favor of sharing is biased, so if you wanted real answers that's not the way to go...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree that with prices as low as they are, people can buy what they want to play, particularly when it's not a recent release. But, I also feel that once you buy something it's yours to do with as you wish (wholly understanding that with that the PC game industry might not be sustainable under that model). I remember lending console and PC games to my friends to play, like you can do movies or board games, so this only owning a "license to play" the game situation, instead of really owning actual game feels pretty anti-consumer, prices aside. Family sharing as it works now is still pretty far from ideal, only one person can use your library at a time (workarounds aside), but it's better than nothing.
That said, people should support the devs they like when it's within their power to do so.
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Sidenote:
You really seem to like the word "whinge" where most people usually use "whine".
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Whinge, yeah it has a nice ring to it. Picked it up in sports debate with English, S. African and Australian cricket fans on some cricket forum. One advantage PC DVD has is you can loan it to anybody and anyone can play it. Older CDs license keys were easy to activate multiple PCs. It didn't suffer digital restrictions. back in college friends would swap CDs and share games and world was fine. Of course it was not a world of online records, achievements and individual glories and it was mostly personal gaming pleasure too.
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Looks like the standard reason why everything gets stopped too many people abusing it anything good always gets gamed to death.
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while i think family sharing is a nice feature, I have to admit that I use it less the expected. example with Terraria: played like 100h with my family from my own account among three people, just had less than 5h in family sharing mode and then bought a copy for everyone for convenience sake (schedules/lan multiplayer).
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It's a shitty move, because it goes against the idea of family sharing. That idea was to allow a 'Steam box' to function as a console, so you could have one account buy the games, and all other family members have accounts of their own which can play the games. That doesn't work when games can't be shared, making Steam a bad console alternative.
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Devs can do what they want thats true cant really judge if its fair or not cause i am not in their shoes, other than that i would never use that kind of option myself its not that i find sharing bad but i can never truelly know the habbits of someone and i wouldnt want to be flagged if he cheats or do whatever i rather buy a copy for me even if i had the option to play it for free.
But a question comes in my mind for people who share libraries and they do have this trust between them waht keeping them for knowing passwords and letting someone else log into their accounts and still play the game , account sharing is against the rules but i honestly cant think of a way of any steam staff proving that unless the people doing that expose themselves to them
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By this logic every member of you family should buy their own copy of DVD movie in order to watch it.
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Family sharing is broken anyway. It should allow you to share games individually but for a limited time (maybe a month) and when the share period ends there must be a big cool down (around 6 months) for sharing the same game again. Also restrict users to share only 2-3 titles at a time. This is the only way I think this feature would work properly, everything else is dust in the eyes.
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I used the family sharing with my brother and my gf - I really like that feature and I don't really think that disabling it will make me or them buy the games we are missing. Maybe in far future, on big sale. It's a shame devs want to remove this feature from their games
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Seeing as only one person can play on the shared account at a time I've never really seen the point in it. Could just give that person the log in details and achieve the same result.
Course, you'd have to trust them not to sell your shit, steal from your inventory or buy crap with your wallet but then there's a failry big element of trust when it comes to family sharing and Vac bans anyway. Would only do either of those with people I was very close to.
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I don't use this Steam feature so I can't say much about it but I do know that one of the most prolific impersonators on Steam (who links on his/her steam profile to the feedback page of many know high rep SG traders) uses family sharing to hide his/her main Steam account from his dozen or so drone accounts.
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Call me old fashioned but I remember a time when you could actually exchange games with your friends or even resell them if you wished.
I only use family sharing to play the orange box from my old account because steam didn't allow me to fuse both my accounts but, If you ask me, one copy/one person playing at a time is a fair compromise for both the producer and the consumer of videogames.
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You still can. It's called consoles ;) But it's not for lack of trying.
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I share that fear. After all Microsoft tried to kill off the used game market this very generation disguised as a Family sharing feature but I think they'll rather try to go with "Game passports" like they've done before but this time not just for multiplayer but for the whole game because console players are just too used to buy retail. Since on console you need a paid subscription to play online I think there's still plenty of people that don't even have their consoles connected to the internet + areas where internet is hard to get by.
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It's better then nothing. People abused it, so this happens. Eh
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Actually sometimes i want to hv a try on some games before buying it. Like I am bread, it is a fun game for watching others play but not playing yourself.
Family sharing ( or i shd say friend sharing) can let me try some game first. And yes, most of the game i wanna buy don't even hv a demo (or they hide it so well that i can't find it) :(
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Family sharing being removed by devs in many games. Or the fact that people who abused the system and played great games for free are whinging that it's been removed instead of getting a copy off a sale and enjoying it unhindered. Are real family members suffering or losing out?
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