When I was young, my mum wanted to admit me into a well-known primary school near our place. She wasn't able to, later she heard from neighbours that a neighbour who was able to get her kid into the school made a "generous donation" to the school. Donations to schools are pretty much still an option now, or even "volunteer" parents. In a country that proclaims to have low corruption rate. That irony is funny.
"With a generous donation to the school, why don't we say my child admires your school alot. yes, ALOT!" I dont think its a right thing to do, hopefully the system in US will set an example. I do not believe scandal of this scale was anything new either. Regards, Cruse~
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... but hasn't it always worked like that?
If you have enough money, you get pretty much what you want.
The only surprising thing here, is that they got exposed.
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Probably the administrators wasn't given any candy money.
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Well, if not enough, I wouldn't snitch my own arse out though just "wink wink" "point point wallet" "uh uh". Getting yourself involve would not be wise. XD
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You're assuming those people are wise...
The snitch could always pull a fake whistleblower move and say how sowwy they are while crying crocodile tears.
If they judge they have less to lose?
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Which doesn't make it okay, nor a reason to be silent about it.
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You will need to be active 24/7 and be omniscient to denounce all the bad things that happens around
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What is your point? The frequency of "bad things" does not trivialize discussion of said "bad things."
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I never stated anything close to be fine with this crime, or don't talk about it.
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It is being showed like a recent years problem
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I grew up thinking that in USA, private educational institutions can basically do this legally - take money for a new "hall", "library" and enroll the student. I guess it's a bit different when a recruiter scams the university itself by planting a fake talent.
Disclaimer: I watched a lot of movies and am not claiming it's really like this.
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It is like that though. Donors get special considerations, always have.
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It is like that. How else was GW Bush going to get into Yale? Desirable schools, especially the Ivy Leagues have spaces on reserve every year for the children of important donors/alumni and they make no secret of it, because those donations are assumed to be of benefit to the school - libraries, programs etc.
These people are taking away the spaces reserved for those who are trying to get in on merit, by "buying' the merit, and with no benefit to the school, it's not surprising that authorities are going to prosecute that.
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""A teenage girl who did not play soccer magically became a star soccer recruit at Yale. The cost to her parents: $1.2 million." No wonder they got caught. Yale is trash at sports.
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I'd be outraged if it made any difference in the long run - but the world works exactly the same after college as well. It isn't right but all through your life it turns out there are generally more important things than hard work and grades and it's probably best to move to that mindset sooner rather than later.
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story is the same since universities were founded.
Of course I'm totally against those practicies but it was happening before, it is now and will be in future no matter in what country and political system you live in
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This has been going on for decades, how is this news now?
Of course it is wrong but I'm not sure where the shock comes from.
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This is corruption, bribery, not capitalism. And this existed since the dawn of time. Humans always cheated and always will. Sadly, it is some people's nature...
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I think this is nothing new. The rich folks always attempt to bribe or just use their celebrity status to get their children wherever they want them to be :/ It always was this way, and always will be.
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And apparently this time it's a big thing because the US mail was involved...
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I'm actually shocked that people are so shocked by this.
Corruption in the US university admissions system is as American as baseball and apple pie.
This occurrence is just getting a lot of exposure due to the people involved and the scale of the investigation.
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I don't know if they're actually shocked or just using the occasion to feel morally superior somehow.
The media is just using it to make headlines people will actually read (as opposed to all the noise about what was it already? Oh yeah Trump trying to bypass the legislative branch to do whatever he wants) because starf***ing isn't doing nearly as much for clickbait as starshaming.
And the FBI just wants to look like they're doing something that's not about Trump
But yeah hardly news
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I mean, I guess I can see why non-Americans might be surprised to hear about this, but this isn't the first time something like this has been reported in the U.S. Hell, it's even been the subject of television and film.
But yeah, this is the way they sell papers and magazines, and get people to watch their programs or visit their sites. I'm not condoning it in any way -- like I said, I'm just shocked at the reactions.
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Look all the privilege together
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Welcome to Capitalism! It's absolutely disgusting, comrades, that we're living under system that allows it's corruption to be exposed publicly.
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The headlines make it seem like these are supposed to be shocking news when stuff like this has been painfully obvious for decades across all sorts of education.
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Point to one socialist society that has not suffered from corruption that was as rampant, if not more so, than any capitalist one, and which didn't result in the concentration of privilege (and often times wealth) in the hands of a few. I'll wait.
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You say this as if the fact that other systems are broken makes capitalism less broken...
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The point is that corruption is a human problem, not a capitalist problem, and spotting some is not justification to start celebrating socialism.
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We can't all be stable geniuses, sometimes you have to tell a lie or break a rule instead.
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Honestly the amount of coverage on this made me wonder out loud "Is Kevin Spacey not being charged with anything lately or something?" because it feels like it's just celebrity shaming turned "news".
Wait... you mean George W. Bush only got into Yale because his parents were rich? But he's always looked so smart!
No seriously, how is this news? I get that the FBI needed good headlines to make up for these past months of only being mentioned in the same headlines as Trump but that's pretty ridiculous, with everything else going on in the US right now.
And to people answering that education is a serious issue, I do agree, but to me, the most serious issue here is that someone who can't make the grades to get into USC can get a free ticket in just because she's tagged with a sports achievement...
or that education is so expensive to start with that the only people who can afford to go to these schools anyway are rich spoiled brats and a few (mostly randomly picked) scholarship winners.
But yeah by all means, let's all Boo the CEOs and celebrities using their money to give their kid the appearance of an education, because that's the big drama here.
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I don't fault the parents for paying, and I don't think they should be charged or even have their names released.
The fault of course lies with the admissions or coaches who took money - as far as I know from the third party and not the parents - and accepted the kids into school under false pretense. And obviously the third party who's accepting money and greasing palms on the parents behalf.
I'm betting half of the kids didn't even know this was happening.
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Waste of money. Going to a top tier skill is not a prerequisite for success unless that person is going into academics (which makes bribing your way in all the more stupid). While you are more likely to make important connections at these schools, they will merely help you in getting your foot in the door, which is the easy part. You still have to be able to prove to others that you are good at your job and if not, you'll be canned.
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Most of them would just be hired by their parents.
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But that defeats the whole point of bribing your kid into school. It shouldn't matter what school the dumb bastard went to if you are going to be nepotistic and carry him throughout life anyways.
If these parents did it for the social status that these schools confer, then I can somewhat understand (though it doesn't make it any less stupid). However, if some of these folks did it to give their kids a leg up, then they just wasted a bunch of cash for no good reason.
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A degree from an Ivy League would make them look better if they ever needed to do any kind of business deals or whatnot.
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Who knew there was a simple way to skip a whole college admission process?
According to NY Times :
"A teenage girl who did not play soccer magically became a star soccer recruit at Yale. The cost to her parents: $1.2 million.
A high school boy eager to enroll at the University of Southern California was falsely deemed to have a learning disability so he could take his standardized test with a complicit proctor who would make sure he got the right score. The cost to his parents: at least $50,000.
A student with no experience rowing won a spot on the U.S.C. crew team after a photograph of another person in a boat was submitted as evidence of her prowess. Her parents wired $200,000 into a special account. Thirty-three well-heeled parents were charged in the case, including Hollywood celebrities and prominent business leaders, and prosecutors said there could be additional indictments to come"
"The parents included the television star Lori Loughlin and her husband, the fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli; the actress Felicity Huffman; and William E. McGlashan Jr., a partner at the private equity firm TPG, officials said"
I find this strangely interesting. Another person that worked on Stanford Admissions said that there is approximately a full 15-20% of every incoming class is on that "must-admit" list.
So you can either work hard for your grades or have your rich parents literally buy your way into a college. Thoughts on this?
Some more coverage about the scandal here, here and here. CNN has a pretty good write-up about everything here
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