they don't understand the concept of value. someone tried to get 2 copies of Skullgirls for two games from the Origin bundle. told me i was making a huge mistake.
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I can trade with you. Direct me to ur trade post or whatever
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you where talking about cheep items with huge markups.
iphones cost next to nothing is sweatshops maybe like $10-15 per unit and diamonds are very common. they only pay the miners like $1-5 per uncut diamond but since they have a monopoly and control the market and all the venders they mark up the price to whatever. diamonds can be found where ever there is a volcanic vent. cutting a diamond doesn't cost enuff to explain the mark up either.
and i won't talk about Africa where they find diamonds literally on the ground and in streams.
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By now it's gone a bit lower than it was on launch, but I don't think it went as low as $150
iPhone 5 BOM
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What diamonds are we talking about? Because I've worked for diamond companies in the production section and I got paid way more than minimum wage. Are we only talking about South Africa, or do you include India, South America, Canada, Brazil? Even in South Africa, Lesotho, South Africa, or Namibia? Are we talking panning or the original mining operations?
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they are all the same. they can make better diamonds in labs but the monopoly made a law super quick that they can only make them for industry (diamond drills and such). a diamond is nothing more than hardened carbon after all. if not for engagement rings most people would not buy them.
an uncut one cost them about $3 then they sell it for about 5k if its not a very good one so ya i'm sure they can pay you alot.
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Haven't you ever heard of blood diamonts? Or mine slavers? You are a worker, that's good, but there are thousands and thousands of African slavers (in countries like Congo) that are held without their will, and they don't even get money, just a piece of bread, and they drink water they find on the ground... polluted...
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Well played, sir.
(Still don't see a giveaway, though.)
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I've always followed the basic rule of "even" trading based on current steam values for both items. AKA if both games have a current value of 10 bucks then who care what price either of us paid to get them bundle or not. If I didn't get whatever bundle the game was in and it would be 10 dollars for me to get it now and the same is true for whatever I have to trade them then why shouldn't we both be happy?
Of course I don't go around buying piles of extra bundles to try and trade parts of later. I just end up with occasional extras from bundle overlap here and there.
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You know what's sadder? Most of those traders are kids with access to their mom's Credit Card.
One funny thing, they always use the stock price for their items, but when they want someone they find the lowest price the item has been and start from there.
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well, sadly, there really are people who will pay that much for bundle games. This practice will continue as long as they know that there are people who will agree to pay the outrageous prices.
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Well I can proudly call myself a fair user; I know it may not be too humble, but well, it's the truth so why lie? :P
Although I'm not interested in Grandpa leftovers, I have a few things you might or might not like, it's up to you. See my steamtrade profile, talk to me, wathever, I'm all up for meeting new people either for trading, playing games together and whatnot.
Besides you strike me as a funny person, liked the "Mercenaries creeps" line :D
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You know I would need to agree with this post I think its annoying to watch people try and get something for nothing. I understand its a common business but that doesnt make it right. I personally don't even bother trying to sell or trade the games I give them to friends I have on my steam account that don't have the games. I spend a lot of my hard earned cash on games and bundles and what not I feel insulted when people try and trade me a game they paid like a dollar for in exchange for a game I paid 30 bucks for. REALLY!? If you can't afford to buy the 30 dollar game don't waste your money buying all the bundles. <.<
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Yeah, just today i found a guy wanting to trade 2 or 3 Origin keys from the bundle for Metro: Last Light... This is just killing me. And whille that happens i need to try to get some of those keys for TF2 items that are worth more money than any one origin game by itself, but of course, they always expect people to fall for their scam.
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No, i didn't get Last light anywhere. Where was it going for 1cent? I had no idea...
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If you're really looking to do this, add me. I'm always up for trading keys if I can.
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I've only been using Steam for a few months now, and trading is the reason I've been able to get over 100 games. I've been able to get fantastic indies that people trade off for a few cards, a ref, or whatever. I've also met a few really nice people from trading that I talk to regularly now. I hate that all those little kids and scalpers have invaded from the Origin bundle, but it will pass. The same thing happened after the Deep Silver bundle, on a smaller scale. It should die down in a few weeks.
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Your experience with trading is oddly similar to my own. Only difference is that as of time of writing this reply, I have less than 100 games, and I'm not really out to get any more now since I have lots of them to play and starting in about a week, very little time to play them.
I've met some nice people from trading too, but I don't really talk to anyone on my friends list (unless for trading ofc) that much except for a few people I know in real life or knew before I got onto Steam. >_>
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I dont think it can or should be that cut and dry. Theres ways to make any deal fair.
IE I got the SC: Blacklist Uplay promo for 5 TF2 keys which was a great deal as far I was concerned. I also can see someone trading multiple bundle games for something (depending on what it is.
What gets me is some of the complete idiots that want 2-3 TF2 keys for a bundle game or have absurd expectations when they post their wants for their bundle games.
There was a guy last night on ST that made a post about his Origin Bundle keys as if he was the only person on Earth with them and was asking for retail value in TF2 keys (i.e. 6 keys for Mirror's Edge). It was laughably ridiculous and he got laughed at, but I wonder where these people come from and what fuels these moronic offers.
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But that's their luck. Not everyone is in that business or has access to that. Its not like a bundle that everyone and their mother can get. If I can get a brand new AAA title at a steal of a deal, than Im perfectly content with that.
Its one thing its exorbitant profit. IE selling an AMD provided code for full retail. Its another where someone is making what could be considered fair. They shouldnt be "punished" for their luck.
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My rule is bundle games for bundle games or sell very cheaply. IE 1-2 ref at most. Obviously sometimes people will offer more (ie someone gave me a TF2 key for Crysis 2), but I agree that most people are just trying to profit. If I have a game I dont want I will give it away or trade it fairly.
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considering not too long ago (4 weeks ago) Crysis 2 was worth prob 3+ keys as AAA title with lack of sales. .. Not everyone believe it or not .. Im shocked saying it.. Not everyone picks up the bundles for whatever reason.
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Sure, I get that, but the sheer amount of trades offering the same games has to say something about the situation to those people or they're just oblivious. I even told the guy I got a key for Crysis 2 that it was bundled, but he didnt care and really wanted it.
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Well, also, one key isn't that expensive. If it was someone with a good job or just a lot of money, it makes sense that they'd say "whatever, $2.50 for this AAA title is so cheap that I don't care if I could get it for less with a bit more digging."
(There's actually an economic theory around the idea that there's this minimum cost below which people stop doing serious cost-benefit judgments, because it's not worth their time. I think it was about $3 at the time of the study I read, though it may be more now and of course varies based on where you are.)
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They are only worth what people are willing to pay. If people are paying those prices right now, then more power to them. Its highly likely they're not. And after a bit they will lower the price, etc.
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Steam trading culture is absolutely horrid. I traded a bit when I first got into Steam during the 2011 holiday sale since I got some free gift copies to trade away, and it didn't take long for me to see how crappy the trade culture is. The more I've heard and read about it since then only validates my opinions on it. I'm glad to be here rather than on ST.
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There are plenty of shitheads, but it cannot be understated how many great people Ive met from trading. The good outweigh the bad, but the bad can really spoil the fun.
There are always deals to be had via trading. I've saved a ton of money via trading.
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Remember that the trades that you see remaining open are more likely to be unreasonable ones, because those are the ones that don't get closed and which stay there hanging around. They're also the ones people have to advertise most heavily, because if you're offering a reasonable trade, you can find someone faster.
So it's easy to get a distorted view.
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