Hi. Just here to say I really liked your comment on.. another thread which is closed now. Yeah. That is all.
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Harsh but accurate.
There must be a secret voluminous shitposting trophy available on this site that I have missed.
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I'm quite sure there are some wild pussies around you :3
I think that It doesn't have to be your cat.
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But what if my pussy likes to go out chasing new prey again night ?
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This isn't cute, or clever, it's just pointless sophomoric sexism. Do you think female gamers like this kind of post? Or maybe it doesn't matter, because they don't really count?
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And posts such as the other referred to isn't because it was adressed to men? No you think you have to make a popular statement that it's female unfriendly, even some women replied here, non of them in an offended way.
I never implied or said that women don't count, that's what you imply, i make jokes in any form, in any way.
Don't like it? Fine ignore it, or blacklist me like you did. Lighten up.
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The other post at least started as a well intentioned awareness about testicular cancer, you dolt. This is nothing more than infantile sexism. Grow the eff up. Ignoring it is not a valid answer, as even the title is offensive. And yes, thanks for calling out, but I proudly blacklisted you.
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Also there in that topic some raised a question why it was only adressed to men only, women should touch themselve too (as related to breastcancer initally), women should equally as men. and maybe yeah that too, that women should just be comfortable with mastrubation and themselves too.
You might not like the "joke" and find it bad taste, you probably aren't alone, but it's not sexist.
Do you want to reply to say to me "grow the eff up" that's your opinion.
I proudly don't care you blacklisted me over it.
How many "shitposts" are posted here, similar ones, and honestly how many did you write the same?
There are double standards, that if a woman posted such things, they won't get such reactions.
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I was saving that one for later. :p
No, but it's the game i get where i adapt my threads on (or find a game with a certain title in mind), since there is no game that has breast in it's title, i choosen this else if there was such a game i would have just formulated it differently.
Like https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/v8btT/how-do-you-excite-a-cock for the male body part.
Been doing that for some months now, in any form (and not just women), i never intent for anyone to get insulted with it, and just bring some lightness to the forum, when sometimes there is already enough drama to go around.
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Reminds me, i was too late getting this game. http://store.steampowered.com/app/518670/
Then make a FLASH topic, and with the queen song.
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OP could have also easily just replied to the thread he was referencing instead of making another tasteless and vacuous topic, but unfortunately an included GA is seen as a license to shitpost around these parts.
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How about this, you keep calling things that make you feel uncomfortable "tasteless and vacuous", I keep using those two words to refer to making a perfectly natural and universal thing taboo and spreading disease, death, and pain(I mean, did you even read the topic you called tasteless and vacuous?) because you are too uncomfortable with human nature to face it, and we each go on with our lives and don't interfere in each others' threads. Alright? Cool? Cool.
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You're assuming a whole lot of things here that I never explicitly said or implied.
My main gripe with this thread, as presented, is that it is unnecessary, as it could have simply been made as a reply in an already existing thread. But that wouldn't have drawn as much attention. As for the "tasteless" part, it refers to the coarse type of humour the OP went for, in the way he chose to broach his (potentially loaded) topic and the language he employed, as he has often done in the past. Some people enjoy this kind of frat-boy style American Pie-esque talk, fart jokes, toilet humour, etc. Not exactly classy material, but I'll admit there's a time and place for it. I personally find this manner of speak usually distasteful and not very funny. As such it's not so much offensive as annoying. Let's just say I prefer my humour and my jokes less like 4chan, and slightly more refined.
As for the "vacuous" part, in conjunction with the above, that was in reference to the cheap nature of OP's post. A low-effort joke with the oldest, cheesiest double entendre in the book, hence totally predictable, and one I find neither creative nor particularly hilarious. (As with this thread by the OP which employs exactly the same kind of lame innuendo and clickbaiting). To claim he was trying to raise awareness for some broader issue is reading a bit too much into the text; there's barely a sentence or two to work with here (even in light of the--much funnier and more valuable--thread he references), and more to the point, OP admits to as much a few posts above where he claims he was saving that aspect for a later thread. Giveaways are often included as some kind of "apology" or as the punchline to these joke threads, but I don't think they should automatically legitimise them. I just like it when a thread, as presented, is a little more worthwhile and deserving of its own discussion topic.
Conversely, while we're at it, I might as well say that I find the claim of sexist intent raised by concentricity above similarly tenuous (there's simply not enough material here), unless the term or the joke itself is expressing something that I missed (?). For the record, I do not have an issue with female masturbation or sexuality in general and am not "uncomfortable" with it. Indeed, I find it can be a very sensual and erotic topic when conveyed appropriately and an important one that deserves more open discussion. I just wish it were done in a more respectable manner and not just the... butt hur hur hur of some cheesy low-effort clickbait gag.
Any other day, I may have seen this thread, and like so many others of its ilk, safely ignored it, and went my way as I usually do but something yesterday put me off and I mouthed off a bit about it. (And now I've rambled for far longer than I wanted to.) I bear the OP no ill will, however.
P.S.: I couldn't help but notice you blacklisted me as well. This doesn't really bother me to be honest, but I always find it bemusing that people like to preemptively blacklist in discussions just in case the other person turns out to be an asshole before they have really said anything of substance at all. shrug
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This is long so let's take it bit by bit
My main gripe with this thread, as presented, is that it is unnecessary, as it could have simply been made as a reply in an already existing thread.
So, care to explain why male masturbation deserves its own thread but female masturbation should be relegated to a reply, a subset of said thread?
As for the "tasteless" part, it refers to the coarse type of humour the OP went for, in the way he chose to broach his (potentially loaded) topic and the language he employed, as he has often done in the past. Some people enjoy this kind of frat-boy style American Pie-esque talk, fart jokes, toilet humour, etc. Not exactly classy material, but I'll admit there's a time and place for it. I personally find this manner of speak usually distasteful and not very funny. As such it's not so much offensive as annoying. Let's just say I prefer my humour and my jokes less like 4chan, and slightly more refined.
Not liking the humor doesn't mean it should not exist. If every type of humor that was disliked by someone didn't exist, there'd be no humor at all. This thread has a right to exist especially when it breaks the taboo and normalizes discussion about something that so desperately needs to be normalized. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised then that some people are offended since that kind of is the point. If no one had been offended by this post, then there really would have been no need for it.
As for the "vacuous" part, in conjunction with the above, that was in reference to the cheap nature of OP's post. A low-effort joke with the oldest, cheesiest double entendre in the book, hence totally predictable, and one I find neither creative nor particularly hilarious. (As with this thread by the OP which employs exactly the same kind of lame innuendo and clickbaiting). To claim he was trying to raise awareness for some broader issue is reading a bit too much into the text; there's barely a sentence or two to work with here (even in light of the--much funnier and more valuable--thread he references), and more to the point, OP admits to as much a few posts above where he claims he was saving that aspect for a later thread.
It's not a hidden agenda. You don't need to "raise awareness". You need this topic to become nothing to be ashamed of and something you might see in everyday discussion when it is called for. The way to achieve that may lie in bringing it up some times at which it is uncalled for. Having a thread about the topic on the main page of a rather large website such as this one certainly makes the issue seem less obscure and therefore less shameful.
Giveaways are often included as some kind of "apology" or as the punchline to these joke threads, but I don't think they should automatically legitimise them. I just like it when a thread, as presented, is a little more worthwhile and deserving of its own discussion topic.
This part I do agree with. Giveaways count for way too much here. People who make enough can be forgiven for pretty much everything. But that's just this site's culture, I guess, and I've come to expect it. Still, if I'd agreed with you that this thread was distasteful I would have also agreed that the GA shouldn't have made it okay. Thing is, I think the thread itself is a great thing.
For the record, I do not have an issue with female masturbation or sexuality in general and am not "uncomfortable" with it. Indeed, I find it can be a very sensual and erotic topic when conveyed appropriately and an important one that deserves more open discussion. I just wish it were done in a more respectable manner and not just the... butt hur hur hur of some cheesy low-effort clickbait gag.
"Sensual and erotic" is not quite what I was going for when I said normalized but eh, fair enough to the rest of that paragraph, assuming it is sincere.
P.S.: I couldn't help but notice you blacklisted me as well. This doesn't really bother me to be honest, but I always find it bemusing that people like to preemptively blacklist in discussions just in case the other person turns out to be an asshole before they have really said anything of substance at all. shrug
I didn't think you were an asshole and I still don't think you are. I just blacklist all far-rightists I come across. Someone who thinks talk of masturbation is "distasteful and vacuous" unless it meets some magical meaningfulness criteria that we don't require any other kind of discussion to meet, is obviously coming at this from a conservative background. That doesn't make them an asshole or someone to be hated. But a blacklist isn't a middle finger or a message of hate. It's just an "I'd rather not give you free stuff". And that is true of all rightists, I'd rather they not have my money, sorry. That doesn't mean I hate them or think they're bad people or anything. I don't. My blacklist has a full 79 people on it and it'd have ~500 if polls weren't anonymous(hint: anyone who voted for Trump). Nothing personal and honestly, I only make like 2 GAs a month, you're not missing out.
TL;DR
1)No other kind of discussion has to have a "purpose" or deeper meaning to justify its existence. Why should things about masturbation?
2)The obvious implication with these kinds of comments, therefore is that masturbation is an inherently negative/distasteful thing. Talk of it may be accepted if it serves some higher purpose or agenda, but otherwise is ill-advised.
3)I do not believe that nor do I see any reason to believe that. Masturbation is a great and amazing thing for men and women alike, and too many young people are tormented by the stigma that surrounds it, especially in religious communities.
4)The only reason I can see for people to want young people to have a less enjoyable life for the purpose of some "refined society" ideal is conservatism.
5)I naturally blacklist conservatives. Not out of hate, just out of "If some random person is to receive this, I'd rather an oppressed person or someone fighting for said oppressed person".
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I think your entire argument against me is based on a false premise. Maybe I was not clear enough but you misconstrued my words. I never said that a thread about female masturbation does not deserve its own thread. And I certainly did not say that male masturbation is inherently more deserving of discussion than female masturbation.
As a thought experiment to illustrate, (letting it slide for a moment that this thread isn't actually about masturbation at all, but framed as such for humourous effect, mirroring the video within) let's say there had already been a thread on the forum with the title Ladies, touch yourself tonight., and featured this video. If Lugum had made a thread titled Stroke your cock every night in response to this, in a similar fashion as the one here, and made a giveaway for, say, Crazy Chicken or whatever, I would have reacted in the same way. (I alluded to as much in my previous comment where I expressed my disdain for this, remember?) It's the crude humour itself that I found annoying in that instance, and the fact that a thread was made just for this one throwaway joke. As I said previously, this is the OP's shtick and I usually just ignore it, but for some reason I didn't this one time.
That it just happened to spark a debate thanks to people like yourself who elevated the discussion is a happy accident. It's pretty obvious that the OP didn't really intend for it. But that may be actually moot now, because if the thread provided you with a starting point to elaborate on the issue, then it served beyond its intended purpose and has hopefully netted a positive effect. I understand that this may be one of the points you were making, but in fairness, this was not the case when I made my comment and it was unclear how it would play out. Also, just because something has the potential to bring about positive change by virtue of its mere existence doesn't mean it should be exempt from criticism in regards to its delivery. This thread doesn't get an automatic pass because its sole existence may potentially contribute to normalising a wrongly maligned subject. Not if it the manner and intent with which it was delivered are inane.
For the sake of brevity, I'll address the points you summed up in your TL;DR, as they reflect the body of your text above:
1)No other kind of discussion has to have a "purpose" or deeper meaning to justify its existence. Why should things about masturbation?
As I alluded to above, you're making a false assumption based on flawed inductive reasoning. Just because I criticised this particular thread for lacking in quality or purpose doesn't mean I think it is acceptable for people to go around shitposting about anything else with little purpose or meaning.
2)The obvious implication with these kinds of comments, therefore is that masturbation is an inherently negative/distasteful thing. Talk of it may be accepted if it serves some higher purpose or agenda, but otherwise is ill-advised.
That may seem obvious from the point of view you are approaching this subject from, but that is certainly not what I implied. I said that I usually tend to dislike frat boy jokes, language and toilet humour in general (with the proviso that there is a time and place for it. On another day, when I'm in a different mood, I may find something like that hilarious). The latter category may include, but does not equal or is limited to masturbation. Moreover, in this context, it's less the subject matter of the joke itself I take issue with, but the way in which that subject is broached. It is also logically unsound to draw the conclusion that I would find masturbation inherently negative based on this statement alone (I don't).
3)I do not believe that nor do I see any reason to believe that. Masturbation is a great and amazing thing for men and women alike, and too many young people are tormented by the stigma that surrounds it, especially in religious communities.
No disagreement from me there. But again, I didn't say or imply anything of the sort.
4)The only reason I can see for people to want young people to have a less enjoyable life for the purpose of some "refined society" ideal is conservatism.
That may be true. But again, I don't know what I said earlier should have to do with it. It is not implied in anything I have said here.
5)I naturally blacklist conservatives. Not out of hate, just out of "If some random person is to receive this, I'd rather an oppressed person or someone fighting for said oppressed person".
As is your prerogative. But since you seem to take me for some kind of right wing fanatic or conservative moralist, I'll have you know that you couldn't be further from the truth, that I've never voted for any conservative party in my life nor do I identify as a member of such, and that I frequently critique the sanctimonious proselytising of self-fashioned moral guardians (as often found in conservative circles) who bemoan the supposed moral decay of society but gladly support and believe in disastrous trickle-down public policies and ill-guided tax cuts for the wealthy.
I'll examine the argument you were contending as you summed it up in your final paragraph and address it here, as I think it illustrates the train of thought that led you into making the argument in the way you did:
Someone who thinks talk of masturbation is "distasteful and vacuous"
This is the first implied statement I have an issue with. You see, I never said that talk of masturbation per se is distasteful and vacuous, but rather that the joke/thread, as it was presented here was.
unless it meets some magical meaningfulness criteria that we don't require any other kind of discussion to meet,
This double standard that you are alleging was never explicitly formulated in any of my arguments, nor was it implied. Nowhere did I mention that other subjects should be exempt from scrutiny or criticism if they deserved it.
is obviously coming at this from a conservative background.
As I said earlier, this may be true, but only if the condition you imposed on it beforehand were fulfilled, which I demonstrated was not in my case.
Look, I think we got off on the wrong foot here. Basically what I said was that I want better quality jokes, I want better threads and I want less shitposting around here. This particular shitpost just happened to employ crude language/humour to refer to female masturbation. I chastised the OP for creating it, and invoking evidence that is simply not there, you seemed to have me pigeonholed as a (moral) conservative who clutches their pearls whenever masturbation or (female) sexuality is mentioned and who's out on a crusade to silence any talk or debate about it. It's a disingenuous and unfair characterisation based on a logically flawed conclusion. Notice how I didn't make a single inference about your beliefs or positions in any of this? Because apart from the fact that you care about the issue at hand (and that you aren't fond of conservatives), I don't know anything about you or what kind of person you are. I wish you hadn't jumped to completely inaccurate conclusions about my person either.
Let me put it like this: If you or anyone else wants to talk or make a joke about masturbation, I'm totally fine with it. If you or anyone else wants to make a shitpost with a crude joke in it, I reserve the right to roll my eyes and maybe voice my disapproval.
Edited for clarity.
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No, you definitely can! It's called 'internalized misogyny' and it's a very real thing. You won't really realize it until you've heard a woman argue that "women belong to their husbands after they're married and should do as they're told" or seen a mother threaten her daughter to lock her out of the house if she doesn't wear her Hijab, but I've seen that and to be honest I can't tell what's sadder and more maddening between that and regular sexism.
But you're right in that a woman making a thread about female masturbation would never get called sexist. I mean, has anyone ever called Chrissy Amphlett(from Divinyls) sexist? But that's mainly because.... talking about female masturbation isn't sexist. Most likely what bothered Concentricity(who I'm 90% sure is a guy) was that sinful sexuality was brought up at all, but fearing being called a conservative or prude latched onto the sexism insult to appear hip and liberal.
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Actually, from my experience both with people I know in real life and online, but also from just friggin common sense, women enjoy masturbation just as much as men do, and do not find discussing it to be "disgusting" as some men would have you believe. Actually, I've heard from several women that finding out that masturbation is okay was one of the turning points of their sexualities, and has improved their lives quite a lot in that respect. Thing is female masturbation has always been much more of a taboo topic. Men are kinda expected to masturbate so few ever feel bad about it. Women frequently do. So either they won't do it at all, and miss out on a world of fun, fail to learn their body and what pleasures them leading to very awkward and unenjoyable sex at least at first, fail to spot genital infections or if anything is wrong down there in time, and build up a whole lot of repressed sexual energy(fun(!)), or they'll do it anyway but feel really bad about it, which I guess to some conservative assholes is better than enjoying themselves and being happy but you'd have to be pretty thick to shout "sexism!" while campaigning for that.
TL;DR if you ever bothered to actually listen to what women want before screaming sexism(because obviously you know what's best for them better than they do, right?), you'd find out that normalizing female masturbation by talking about it(as is being done here) is an incredibly important step in achieving equality and improving women's lives, which is why literally every genuine feminist I know is extremely pro-masturbation.
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There's a response to ylil right about yours, we happened to post at the same time. xD
I was more so referring to the double-standard. If it wasn't a guy who posted it, she likely wouldn't have said anything in this thread, or even have been for this thread.
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Thanks for the blacklist, I guess? For the record, I didn't BL Lugum btw, and I'm not BL'ing you either, because I have no opinion of you at all.
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why does everything has to be "cute" or "clever"?
I bet that many people smiled about this topic. That's the point. Don't be so sensitive. please. Enjoy life.
I touch myself my pussies (yea, I have two). I'm a female and I like this "kind of post", even though I might destroy your worldview. ^_^
I'm not taking this serious though, life's serious enough.
btw, thanks for the blacklist. I'm almost feeling emotional. <3
hard to deal with different opinions.
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is the girl singing "The Pussy Cat Song" being sexist when she sings about a sore, wet, hot, tight, bald, pussy? or is it just some humor?
update: BL away, idc, but can you at least answer the question?? - i mean you must of seen the question since u BL over it.. least you can do is respond to my question.. i genuinely would like to know what your thoughts are on a female singing that song.
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I consider myself very feminist friendly yet I always have to giggle when a knight in a shining armor comes and makes a post that was not offensive in any way into an issue even though dozens of people before him could laugh it off without taking any offense, including those who he is so keen to defend.
But seriously, there are so many injustices going on both on the internet and in the outside world every minute yet you waste your time on a meaningless post that has not offended anyone prior to you. Maybe you could do something better with your time?
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In reply to, i mean why are pussies neglected?
Touch your cat, stroke it, cuddle it, if you feel your pussycat gets too thick it needs to be put on a diet.
Pussycat, pussycat, i love you
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