Being around for a long time, still dont know who is leecher and who is not.

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When does the person considered to be a leecher?

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1:1 win/sent
0.5 win/sent
0.25 win/sent
2:1 win/sent
1.5 win/sent
2.5 win/sent
3 win/sent
1:1 cashwise
2:1 cashwise
1:1 real cv
2:1 real cv
3:1 real cv

The best answer would be:
Won/Sent - syntax error - cannot divide by 0

7 years ago
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No. They try to re-gift.

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I've won nothing so far, given away 12 games but not bothered really as at least the money I paid for went to charity.

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Anybody with a worse ratio than me is a dirty leecher.

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99% of sg ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Truth be told, I generally don't care if someone is a leech, a bot, or a script user, as long as they're compliant with the rules.
But if they have a terrible ratio here, and an enormous Steam library worth in the 5-digits, like the user I mentioned in my previous comment, then there's no excuse: they're just petty, horrible, greedy people, who don't deserve any chance at winning.
I'd advise you all to Blacklist such greedy people when you find them, they should be only able to join Bad Rats giveaways until they're willing to fix their ratios.

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What if they already have Bad Rats?

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My criteria is arbitrary and ever changing! Truthfully, it really is dependent more on the person's attitude than any kind of ratio so it's never easy to tell (with the exception of the few brave who basically call themselves out as leechers).

I also have a problem with bots; Skynet is already going to kill us all, it's just a dick move to try and steal our games too.

7 years ago
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Bump because I want some normal poll votes. :B

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There's multiple criteria to define a leecher - it's especially murky due to bundled game mechanics.

Sent/Won ratio can be padded with dirt-cheap games no one wants. RV ratio doesn't take bundled games into account well enough. CV ratio can be misleading due to unbundled games.

In any case, the varying definition of leeching can have a suppression effect. I've refrained from entering mass developer giveaways because their games were unbundled and would significantly affect my CV ratio in case i won them - even in cases where there more copies were made available than copies that were given out.

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A leecher is like a lecher, except he goes for games instead of women.

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I don't believe in leeches.

This is a gifting site. If someone doesn't want to gift, then don't gift. It means little/nothing if it's forced.
And I wonder how many people are rushing off to check my won/sent now XD

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This.
It's not against the rules. If someone wants to be here just to win games... he can.

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My leecher test is to submerge in murky waters and when you get out the leechers are stuck to you. I then blacklist those that stuck to my ass because really that's a sensitive place you guys.

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Solid method. How murky do the waters need to be?
murk1?
murk2?
murk3?

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I now consider leeches people who enter everything, whenever they wish to play it or not.

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That seems to be pretty common, even among higher level users/good contributors. Maybe there is a plan for all the games? Me? I only enter for games I'm sure I'm going to play.

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Hmmm, I hope it's not that common. I think most enter intending to play them, eventually. Of course there are exceptions for some games (like bad rats), but I'm not bothered by that. If new users enter everything, just to win, that's fine too.

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Playing them later in the future is OK I guess, but maybe it's a good idea to pass on some giveaways? Especially for newer games if they can't be played for a while.

Giveaway for a brand new game high up on everyone's wishlist, lots of people wanting to play it right away
Winner: "Hey, I'm getting a new computer in 2018, and I'm saving this win for then!"
2017: The game is bundled in the BTA tier, hundreds of giveaways for it, the copy from the giveaway is still unplayed

Maybe not that far from the truth in some cases.

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True XD
On the other hand you can never tell. Sometimes you think you'll love the game (you love the genre, the trailer had you impressed, looks similar to your favourites. etc), but you just end up not enjoying it and stop playing soon after starting.

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Right, you never know for certain, but I'm guessing there are few games out there that people really would hate to play, and giveaways for those games are pretty easy to stay away from. So far I have two won games that I didn't enjoy super much. Still played them from beginning to end, and actually got 100% achievements in both.

Sure, I could have stopped playing and instead spent some time in games I enjoy more, but the fact that there are games I like better didn't mean I had a bad time playing those two games.

I don't plan on abandoning any game :)

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Hmmm, I fully abandoned 3 of my wins. One I got before I figured out what I liked (I was still trying new genres), one made me motion sick, one seduced me because it was pretty but I sucked at it so much there was simply no point.

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+1 to that , i dont see the point on just flat out Hoarding stuff for the sake of +1 in their account .

Only entering for wishlist stuff for a long time now , and genuenly happy when i win something :x

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I consider leechers only those with extreme ratios like 0/100 0/200 10/300 20/400...

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Pretty much depends on personal opinion .

For me anything above 1/10 ratio goes on the bad side ... 1/25+ gets blacklisted .

Tho ppl who just Hoard games for the sake of +1 in their library ... even with decent ratios are getting on my nerves ...

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Didn't vote in the poll. I don't care that much about the numbers, as long as people are playing and enjoying the games they win. I don't really check on it, but I assume people are here to win games because they want to play them, and that is what I hope for.

I must admit I wouldn't be super happy if games I bought hoping someone would enjoy went to someone winning hundreds of games only for library +1 or card farming (never playing a single game for real), but not much to do about it.

I have done some giveaways with SGtools CV ratio, but those giveaways have been a way to say thanks to the extra generous members here, not a way to punish low ratio users. I've done plenty of ratio free giveaways too.

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I have yet to utilize SGtools, but otherwise ^This!

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Excessive wins : GAs = leech

so what is...

Excessive GAs : wins = ?

I cannot speak for everyone by any stretch, but speaking for myself even the wins that I have yet to crack out are games I really wanted to play. They just fell victim to my backlog like so many other games I purchased for myself with the same intent. As an example: I still have yet to play Metro: Last Light. I own both versions for the PC (I even own it for PS4 and I think the PS3 too). I really enjoyed the first... I really want to play the second, but for whatever reason the damn thing still occupies space in my backlog.

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I think I'm considered as one by many here.

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Depends on the situation really. I would have considered myself a leecher a couple of months back. But now I don't even enter GA's anymore (only ones I really want, last one was like 3 or 4 weeks ago)(although my ratio isn't that bad either), so how would I ever be a leecher?

There are plenty of people with a low ratio, but I wouldn't consider them leechers.

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Very sorry to necro this thread, punish me if you have to. But i really really really have a huge problem understanding the ratio, I´m even kinda starting to regret trying sg-tools because it makes me feel utterly stupid! :E

To make a long story short, if i wanted to keep people that have received four times the ammount of stuff they´ve given (i.e. 101 won, 25 sent) off a GA, whats the rule on sg-tools supposed to look like? Is it "ratio_number_giveaways > 0.25" OR "ratio_number_giveaways > 4"?

Or isn´t even that correct since i´ve messed up the less/greater signs?
I already nuked one of my GA´s by entering a not accpeted value (sg-tools never complained) and only found out hours later about ... tbh at the moment the whole sg-tools thing is more of a hassle than a help for me :_:

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Ratio is like an e-penis. People say the bigger, the better. (so if the they sent more than received, it's a number bigger than 1)
SGTools uses the same sent/won ratio, so if you want to keep up the people who won more than 4 times more, then you want to set the rule to 0.25. As I said, smaller ratio = "more leeched", so you know that you want to keep out the people who have *less* than 0.25 ratio (because they have worse than 1sent : 4won stats

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Well i certainly don´t want to endorse leeching (however you interpret it for yourself), the only reason i started with sg-tools was seeing someone having about 500 wins and 7 sent or so .. and that really did´nt rock my boat.

If you don´t mind i´d like to take your ratio (by my understanding) for an example: 231 / 789 = 0.29
Which should translate to "ratio_number_giveaways > 0.25", i.e. you can enter. Is that assumption correct?

If so, all is fine i can sleep. If not .... nothings fine, i have to sleep anyway :E

edit: Wait, you´ve almost given away 4 times the stuff you´ve won this can´t be right .... the horror ....

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4 - win ratio = win/gifts =3= but i dont know how sgtools works it could be 0.25 as well

7 years ago
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I hate maths, i hate having tried sg-tools w/o a week long testing phase before and i hate not being able to solve this now ... it has to wait. Love you all for trying to help me <3

7 years ago
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Sent you a friend request

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I think I'm a prime example of a leecher. Feel free to blackmail me. I can't stop you :(

7 years ago
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I don't think blackmail means what you think it means.

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God, I meant blacklist. Useless brain :/

7 years ago
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I beat you :D

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It's working. 3 blacklists in 10 hours D:

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I voted for 3 wins/sent. I hate math, I don't understand the other options.

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;_; but math is nice

7 years ago
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I'd rather learn a dead language.

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Quod est demonstrandum.

7 years ago
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Gratias ago tibi okay.

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then learn french ...

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I think the 0.25 won/sent option was misunderstood.

Not my case, but I don't understand why someone who is under the 1:1 won/sent ratio (I mean he gave at least as much as he got) would be considered a leecher. Being under it, like 0.5:1 won/sent is being more generous, while being above, like 2:1 won/sent, is being a a little more greedy.

The numbers also kinda matter... A 4:1 ratio isn't that bad when you've won 4 and given away 1 game, but it looks a bit worse when your numbers are 500 won and 125 given.

And we were talking about won/sent until now, but ratio is calculated as sent/won. Maybe that's why some chose 0.25, that would be a 1 sent to 4 won ratio. :)

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It might be that we all understand, and the original Poll is simply backwards.

Because anytime you see 0.25 considered leeching you're going to think .25 sent / won (25 sent, 100 won)

7 years ago
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Yup, exactly that. :)

7 years ago
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There is another way of thinking...

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By the rules only who won nothing and gave something isn't a leecher. ha!
cough cj cough

7 years ago
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When you catch one and squeeze him in a paper tissue then the more blood comes out the more the little turd leeched. My cat once had a giant one on him and he soaked the tissue through.

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Still fighting this, if you speak maths i´d really appreciate some light shed onto this.

Have tried numerous variations of the rule now, but it never works like expected. Momentarily it´s set to "ratio_number_giveaways > 2" which should translate to "has given 2x more than received", however with that rule in place someone with 173 wins and 194 sent (=1.12) can enter (don´t worry, you´re cool, just crunching numbers here).

Also not showing any invalid entries at all. It seems I might have broken it.
(damn it´s hard not to sound hypocrite, i don´t even dare checking my bl stats after this XD)

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I suggest to move your interested to the actual sgtools topic i guess creator can explain or at least move you to the faq topic

7 years ago
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Wilco!

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Using SGTools to find leeches is a mistake. The proper way is with STools! Ducking stools, to be precise. You throw the user in a pond. If they float, they're a leech; if they drown, they're innocent.

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