If you go on pc part picker there are tons of people that can help you :)
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Thank you, I've been there, my build is based on the top rated build for low cost+benefits... =)
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If you want it to last 5 more years you'll probably need a 4GB card :)
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Thank you, I was thinking about this, but I wasnt sure if I would really need it...
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You'll eventually need to upgrade to a faster 4GB GPU later. The main point being you can do that later when they've gone down in price.
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my GT650m has 2 GB, and modded Fallout New Vegas, and Skyrim both fill it all up once in a while... mods mods mods ^_^
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That's different. The GameBryo engine was made for when video cards had next to no memory so it keeps almost everything in RAM. And on top the memory management of those games is more than abysmal, even in Skyrim's Creation. Bethesda Game Studios may know how to make nice theme park world maps that are a joy to explore, but they couldn't code a non-crashing optimised web page if their life depend on it, let alone a game engine that is supposed to run an open world sandbox dungeon crawler.
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Let me rephrase: those games give exactly zero shits if you have 512 MB VRAM or 16 GB, they will fill it up the same eventually and run with the same performance.
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makes some sense, but I've had them crash specifically due to lack of VRam, so it does give shits
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Anyway, 4~5 years I'll need a 4GB card w/ Dx12 support. Thx. GTX970 is NOT an option, 1700 BRL against 900 BRL of the GTX960... for now at least I'll stick with the 960 over the 970.
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+1 for 4GB memory size if you want it to last several more years. I bought my Sapphire R290 Tri-X this March for roughly 240 euro and it has been serving me well since then with having everything maxed out and a resolution set at 2560x1600. I think it will keep handling well the maximum settings for at least 1-2 more years, but frankly new gen consoles on which new games are based isn't as powerful as the last one, so games should raise a little in settings requirements in the next few years, imo. Games became significantly more demanding when PS4/X1 games were out, but they have been keeping approximately the same level sine then.
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If i would buy a new rig.... i would change hdd.
1TB HDD 5400rpm is too slow. I would buy at least 128GB SSD for the OS and then 1TB HDD 7200rpm storage drive (ideal 256 GB fast SSD ~500MB read/write and 2 TB storage HDD drive).
For a long run RAM frequency 1600Mhz is a bit slow. 2000+ Mhz would be better.
GPU - GeForce GTX 960 is ok.... for now.
If you'll build the rig right GPU will be the only main thing you will change in the later years.
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The HDD is only for older/low demanding games AND of course media/music/docs.
Main games will be on my ssd, wich I already have. Kingston V300 240GB.
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The max frequency of my mobo is 1600 and the memo sticks too... So if I have to upgrade the ram I would also have to upgrade the motherboard... this is getting expensive... =/
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Good to know, thank you. =) but R9 390 is too much expensive. and has a lot of TDP, wich will make me upgrade my PSU, am I right ?
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Go for the R9 380 is the same price and have 4gb de memory and the same tdp.
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GTX 960 -> 120W TDP
R9 380 -> 190W TDP
?? AMD/ATI was never even close to the nvidia TDP, in fact they're famous for this issue, they can make good cards as nvidia but they will have a higher tdp, always... =/
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In that case, neither does AMD aka welcome to API hell:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff476876%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_levels_in_Direct3D#Direct3D_12
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Give me a budget, and I can build you a full rig with maximum price-to-performance. Your current parts are not optimal, although they will work.
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I did the math, and the Brazilian Real comes out to about $730 USD. That's the guideline I used for this build.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3zH3YJ
This is what I would recommend. Utilizing the 4690k and a Z97 chipset, this build has the option to overclock, or increase the clock-speed, of your CPU, giving you further future-proofing and more performance than a locked CPU, such as the 4440 you currently have selected. Additionally, I included a CPU cooler to make overclocking more viable and keep temps low.
The GPU I selected is the R9 380, basically the 390's little brother but at a much better price point. With 4GB of usable video memory, even resolutions up to 4k will be playable.
Everything else is a price-to-performance decision. A quality modular power supply to make cable-management easier, a solid case that supports front-panel USB 3.0, and the ASRock z97 motherboard is very nice comparatively for a Z97 chipset.
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I like your style, very good build for this price range.
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Forgetting the slight issue of Brazil having a much larger tax for electronic parts, so if you calculate with US prices the rig is closer to 500 USD…
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Oh, I wasn't aware. In that case he could use this video I made a few months ago. It's a little old, but I keep the links updated.
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Should be like 700 USD, I have a friend that can bring me at least the processor and GPU...
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Don't get 4 sticks of 2 GB Ram, get 2 of 4GB. That way you can upgrade to 16GB later if something comes out that really needs a lot of memory or you do lots of other stuff at the same time. Stick to 1600 Mhz Ram. The difference to faster ram is small on Intel. AMD with inbuilt GPUs profit well but then you have ask yourself if a dedicated GPU isn't better in the first place.
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Thank you, I was thinking about this, in fact I was going to change for 4x 4GB but no need for it, not now, nor the next 4 years...
I'll stick with 8GB for now, I already have the sticks and they're super cheap for the dolar price in my country...
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GPU (the chip - more below) is fine and more than 2GB is unnecessary unless you aim for resolutions over 1080p (stronger GPU would be inevitable then anyway).
2x4GB not 4x2GB as was mentioned and V300 is shit-tier SSD even for entry level.
You should also consider swapping Case, I haven't looked for reviews, but it doesn't look as something useful unless you're deaf. Which might be possible, despite the sound card, since you also want to use stock CPU cooler and reference design GPU. Whatever, enjoy your new buzzsaw :^)
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I'm not deaf, the case is AWESOME, a friendo of mine has one and I LOVED it.
ALSO, I forgot to mention, I have a Corsair H60 Watercooler somewhere in home.
The sound card is only used to SPDIF which I'll use with an Pioneer VSX D409 (old but good receiver.)
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Still, reference GPU cooler ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! I had a FX 5200, at the time my neighborhood was louder even at midnight, today I can't even be close to a normal laptop cooler. But for the gaming rig I dont bother because I'll use the receiver or headphones most of the time. But thanks, the video is awesome!
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"GPU (the chip - more below) is fine and more than 2GB is unnecessary unless you aim for resolutions over 1080p (stronger GPU would be inevitable then anyway)."
nope, there are plenty of games that pull over 2 GB and already games that pull close to 4 GB on 1080p sadly.
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that is usually for max settings, but right now it seems that for a budget build 4 GB of VRAM should be the thing to go after and future proof would mean getting over 4 GB.
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It's bit more complex, to put it simple, you don't need more VRAM than amount equal to data necessary to render current scene. Everything else is basically buffer.
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yes, but it doesn't change the fact that practically the VRAM requirements have increased and are going to increase more and more.
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It not might be because they really need the extra VRAM, but because they might be lazy to optimize their games. Anyways it is wise to get at least 4GB at this point
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Yes, it's nice to have twice as much VRAM, question is if it is worth it from price to performance standpoint. Data are loaded dynamically - if you have double the VRAM, you don't have to request data from RAM so often, that's it. This has slightly positive effect on frame times (higher min. fps), but zero effect on average fps - as long as you're able to push through enough data to feed the GPU.
Remember that we're talking about mid range GPUs, unless you're fan of "cinematic experience" aka 30fps, you won't have enough computing power to use VRAM killers like various methods of multi sample AA etc. What you have left is space for some unnecessary uncompressed hires textures (Shadow of Mordor comes to mind ie. spot the difference), hoping you won't hit bottleneck on memory bus.
So yes, if you can get 4GB on mid range for decent price then it's no brainer, but some 4GB editions of mid range are so close to high end that it might be better to go that way (GTX 970/ R9 290 or whatever is current rebrand).
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"2GB is enough" ROFL, lol nope
my GT650m has 2 GB, and modded Fallout New Vegas, and Skyrim both fill it all up once in a while... mods mods mods ^_^
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If I had the money I would buy 2 Titan Z, buuuut that's not the case and I will never buy anything from RAZER except the Razer Bçade and their mousepad which is nice. =)
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Seems that will be my best option if I decid to go with a gpu w/ 4GB Vram... I would LOVE to have everything brand new, buuuut...
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I'm pretty sure none of the PCs build today will last for 4-5 years without upgrades. DX12 is right around corner, in 2016 we'll probably see first DX12-only games from big publishers, not just MS, and in 2017 nobody will bother with old DX.
And none of current GPUs are fully supporting DX12 (apparently AMD does it a bit better).
Keep that in mind when making future-proof PC, maybe going for cheaper GPU today might be a good idea if you'll have to exchange it in a year or two anyway?
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I am sure my new PC would last for 6 years or so, like every build before this one.
My current PC is based on FX8350 (yes 5 year old CPU) and 980Ti, 60fps is all i need.
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if all the rumors about DX12 are true than 8350 will last another 5 years =)
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I have no doubts about my CPU :)
For now there could be difference with much expensive Intel CPU's in few fps (some games)... but i always lock fps at 60, so there is no difference for me.
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Or more… my X4 965 is still serving me decently and it is almost ancient in many regards.
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Well, I wouldn't be that sure - it mostly depends how badly MS, AMD and Nvidia will force big-publishers to only use DX12 when new GPUs appear.
Let's face it, since X360 and PS3 there was no tech-breaking new technology in PC gaming and we weren't really forced to upgrade hardware - nearly nobody used DX10 or DX11 and everything is working on DX9 and to play in console quality you could use some PCs from 2008 (like my bro did until good old GF9800 decided to die two years back).
But DX12 might change whole landscape, depending how much MS and GPU companies will use it (MS for sure will make it a requirement to get your game on XBOne soon-ish).
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I don't want any further discussion about this. There are countless discussions and debates about DX12, Intel vs AMD etc. etc.
So if you want some go try somewhere else. I can delete my posts, no problem.
I did say with simple English words, all i care is 60fps with single monitor at decent resolution. Not sure why people always want to go deeper...
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No problemo, all I'm saying is, you shouldn't buy PC today thinking "it will last for 5 years", when we have no idea how badly current GPUs will be screwed by DX12.
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im thinking about a MSI 380 GAMING 4GB, to last 2/3 years.
Currently I have a 7850 1gb OC edition, made 3 years this week. Still good. It was 185€ back in the day.
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They give more for less money simple as that.
In 2015 you need min. 750W PSU anyway, so not much reasons to avoid AMD cards because of power consumption (only if you are environment freak). As long you get card with min. 256 Bit memory bus width and about 4Gb Vram you are good to go..
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min 750? what? lol Im not hardcore with overclock and master cooling and shining lights.
I got a I5 3450, 1 stick 8GB ram, no optic driver, a WD BLUE 500GB, and a XFX 550 TS. Which is still enough for the 190TDP of 380 I guess. The logic is to create more efficient components. Like SSD's compared to normal HDD.
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We talk about 2 almost different things, TDP -thermal design power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power and power consumption.
I have reason to say that is 750W is min. these days, especially if you are using newer AMD cards. This could be personal preference, because i like that my PC PSU is ice cold so i get frostbites when i touch it :)
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yeah, but is not a must.
and power consumption of 380 is like 270w maximum right? I think that I can still handle it with my PSU.
At least I've used some calculators and it seems fine. with more than 100w free
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750? For what? Especially when AMD APUs and even Intel Iris-enabled Intel CPUs can now run games in 1080p with low to high settings for less than 100 W. Unless you are bitcoin farming with SLI/CrossFire, 500-600 should be more than enough for any future needs. For an average gaming rig, maybe even 400 W would cut it.
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if you can wait a bit there will be released r9 380x with a price tag ~250$ and performance close to 970
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Soon ? =)) Idk i dont work in AMD, i read the article where XFX working sample was already shown
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I don't prefer 4x 2GB RAM, you should buy 2x 4GB RAM, so this'll make space when you'll need to add more RAM in future.
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Buy a 970, it's the best choice for quality\price.
The best are Gigabyte, MSI and Asus.
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well if you have to buy right now id sugggest looking at new amd gpus since nvidia is abit lackin in the dx12 department:) also amd gpus are a bit cheaper:P
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Asus STRIX 970 OC or 960 OC. (i suggest the 970) If video card/motherboard buy Asus. (maybe Gigabyte/MSI, don't buy a. else, belive me)
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Guys, what do you think about the new released GTX 950? And the EVGA GTX 950 SSC or the FTW? Tell me your thoughts.
It is DX12 compliant. =)
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If you already have a PC and you're not borrowing one from a friend to write here, then I'd recommend upgrade your GPU and RAM. 980 Ti and 16GB RAM, as it's not that expansive, even though you might never need 16GB. CPU is alright as long as it's over 3GHz. I'm on my i7 950 still, and have no issue for gaming.
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I have a notebook, worst decision ever, it survived till now... can run most of my steam library but still not the good and new games... But thanks, thats my plan for the upgrade after building my new gaming rig, somthing about of 4 or 5 years from now...
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So, this is my first discassion thread here.
I'm building a new gaming rig for me.
These are the Specs so far:
-Case: Coolermaster HAF XB EVO (http://www.coolermaster.com/case/lan-box-haf-series/haf-xb-evo/)
-CPU: I5-4440 (http://ark.intel.com/pt-br/products/75038/Intel-Core-i5-4440-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz)
-Motherboard: ASUS B85M-E (https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/B85ME/)
-RAM: 4x 2GB DDR3 1600Mhz GSKILL F3-12800CL9Q-8GBECO (http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl9q-8gbeco)
-PSU: Corsair CX500M (http://www.corsair.com/en-us/cx-series-cx500m-modular-atx-power-supply-500-watt-80-plus-bronze-certified-modular-psu)
-SoundCard: Bgears b-ENSPIRER (http://bgears.com/b-enspirer-info.html) [Already have it]
-SSD: Kingston SSD V300 240GB (http://www.kingston.com/br/ssd/v)
-HDD: Seagate 1TB 5400rpm. (dunno spec, I have it here laying around...)
now only thing left is the GPU!
I WAS thinking on the PNY GTX 960 2048MB GDDR5 (https://www.pny.com/gtx-960-2048mb-gddr5).
BUT the HBM was released and I WANT something that can play things for the next 4~5 years even if I need to go down to medium settings and stay around 30fps...
What are your thoughts about this GPU, and it's VRAM size?
Thank you all. =)
P-O-T-A-T-O_W-A-SH-E-R-E!
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