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From my point of view you're a great user and reigifts is an outstanding user.
But i just wanna react to that :

Great job giving to bots, multis, autojoiners and such

I'm not as generous as reigifts and unlike him usually put a lvl1-3+ barrier on public (and 0 on private because there are other ways to anti-bots). But sometimes for rare occasions i can lvl0 public and it's funny because another user litteraly wrote me something really similar very recently.

So what i would answer is that you're not wrong there are a lot of bots / autojoiners at lvl0, but honestly i don't know how to discern between them and real users, and there are probably too at higher lvl. Manually lvlup an account, and then pouf! make it automatic, or something like that. Also i agree with reigifts that the users with the less financial means are logically lvl0.

Well i gifted Skyrim looong time ago to a user who was (and still is lvl0). I was so happy when i've seen at that time that he had less than 50 games on steam, i thought oh this guy will be happy ! Well after 2-3 years i checked fastly but he didn't play (and i was sad, even though i shouldn't be giving lessons on that, being far from having played everything i won here either). But i re-checked maybe 1 week ago (no i don't check constantly, i just did twice on 10 years XD ) and now he has some more games... and he played Skyrim. It made my day. Thank you !

PS. @Prosac super games roguebook and destroyer u-boat hunter

Great job giving to bots, multis, autojoiners and such

Yeah, but not only.. At least someone is happy, I prefer to think of it like this.
But some sort of balance is good too. Some lvl 0, some a bit bigger and so on

And in my opinion you aren't helping the site with level zero GAs giving to all sorts of shady accounts

With 0 level 0 ga's imo the site will die faster than speedy gonzales. Or no, better yet, it will remain alive until all who are already registered will have stopped using it. No new blood isn't good

does this make his WL a circle jerk WL

If his wl people have the same wl then in essence yes (by the definition he is going about)

Unrealistic reality.

Due to lvl 0 ga's

Best mindset ever, but 2+ is pretty low, you can get there with spending about 2-3$

And with 0 you can do that. Like always, unless in a searched wl or a group that really checks, you can never be 100% sure. It will just be harder to spot or you'll be wishing it's true
I don't believe one can avoid 100% of any bot thingy unless you know the other person.. (and even then that's an if)

Don't get me wrong. I understand why you are thinking like this. I just can't agree on no public and/or lvl 0 ga's despite the many abusers

"You're deflecting or why do you suddenly come up with circle jerks groups, which no one mentioned before?"

Because you're part of such groups?

"I don't share that opinion, as i already answered eeev. IMHO this conclusion is more than plain stupid, because 95% of the site users would be leechers this way and only the remaning 5% would be divine users, which is unrealistic black/white thinking."

Well technically for every user that ends up having left SG with a less than 1 ratio, they have taken more than given. Of course it's unrealistic, I'm not saying this is what I want or expect. I'm just explaining that just as you think someone is leeching because their ratio is worse than yours by quite a bit, you were also not in the positive. 1 is positive, any less is a negative ratio. It doesn't bother me for reasons I already stated and my stats obviously, I'm just explaining to you and you're somehow in denial but acceptance of this. Just as you can have a negative ratio although it's almost even, someone else can have a negative ratio and much worse. Just as you can maybe not afford to give as much as you take, someone else can maybe not afford to give even close to the little you can. Just stating those are possibilities. There are users who can't afford to give anything. It's perfectly fine, but that doesn't make your ratio positive because they have a much worse ratio than yours, it's still less than 1. It's ok though. Not sure why you're struggling with this.

"Great job giving to bots, multis, autojoiners and such"

As long as here and there a user who can't afford to give at all or very little wins one of my giveaways, I'll be happy with it and keep doing so.

"You looked at SG Tools earlier, but now you don't with getting my exact % of public GAs. And then you don't even differ between public and private groups. You should get your facts right, otherwise it's just stating made-up things."

It seems sgtools doesn't report accurate data, so I don't see what I'd be looking at it again for. If it falsifies data I don't care about it.

"And in my opinion you aren't helping the site with level zero GAs giving to all sorts of shady accounts"

That's a belief you can blindly hold but I can't help you if you don't want to. SG would be dead without people making lvl 0 giveaways. If you can't understand and accept that, I can't help you. I get it, if I made level 2 giveaways, only people who gave what, $100 worth of cv(so like $5 like you said) could join. I'd literally cut every single person trying out the site for their first time. Every single one. This wasn't my experience when I joined the site many years ago, so I'm not going to make it someone elses experience where they come to the site and it says "please first give $100 worth of games first, here go buy these shit games and give them away to other people level 2 and above". That whole concept is so stupid, in kind words. You're assuming every new users, especially inexperienced ones who have no games and want to win some, understand the whole cv as good as you do(because you did when you joined for sureeee) and not just that, they understand how to go to key resellers and buy cheap games, and then make the giveaways etc. and they wouldn't find that shady before they can win anything. I mean if your approach isn't off the charts stupid, I don't know what you think it is. Maybe I should pick a random topic and ask you about it, and when you don't know about it, I'll call you a bot, shady, or whatever. This isn't to say there's no bots on sg, I'm sure there are, but your approach is stupid, there is no other way to explain it.

 "Just assuming other wrong things, you obviously don't know shit about how to differ between legit groups and circle jerk groups and then trying to imply i'm in those circle jerk ones. Same stupid conclusions Amano made. If his WL GAs get 5-10 entries, does this make his WL a circle jerk WL?"

Depends if it's a group or if it's a whitelist, and depends on the rules of the group and how you know each other. However, awfully coincidental that only 5 to 10 people in that group can enter and awfully coincidental that it makes a big part of the ga you make. Thankfully it's also a coincidence that you win mostly in that group, and not public giveaways, otherwise trust me I'd be pointing that out, but you've at least been good about that, hence why I said it pretty much evens out. Doesn't excuse why group ga's with 5 entries count towards any cv, but that's something that I wish CG looked at.

"Unrealistic reality."

What? The point is that if things were as you want them to be, that would be the scenario. Was that how it was when you joined? Were there no level 0 giveaways?

"Best mindset ever, but 2+ is pretty low, you can get there with spending about 2-3$"

Why not level 10 though? Is it because you wouldn't qualify anymore? Let's make them all level 10, and then you tell me how it is. Maybe then you could experience how someone who's level 0 feels when people like you say that. Weird though, I feel like at some point, you should've been level 0 too. But maybe you somehow skipped. Maybe as unable as you are to gift more now to level yourself to an even ratio, maybe back then you had nothing too. Who knows. Maybe now that you have a little you forgot the bad times. Or maybe you just never had them and you're doing pretty good and you're just full of crap. You tell me.

"And i still managed to get to level 7, think about it again."

Seems to me like you're in a much better position to give then. Pretty much as good as me or anyone else that will be level 10 soon. Maybe the comment above is true, maybe you didn't have the bad times and you're just playing victim. How can you compare yourself to someone who can't give at all? Also how can you not have compassion for someone who can't give at all? Especially since you've been blessed to be able to give so much already? I don't get it.

"As i sad, level 2 will cost as less as 2-3$, that should be affordable even in a bad economy.
But i'm not here to discuss the whole topic with you, acknowledging you have a different opinion, which may probably based on lacking knowledge and falsly drawn conclusions out of it, which you have already shown."

This depends, I've many times heard no when a kid asked for $5. Me included, I wasn't financially fortunate growing up. So I can tell you right now as a little kid I've stolen some money from various sources just so I can get some wafers and candy as a kid cause that's what I craved although I'm a little bit ashamed to admit that but it is what it is, you make do with what you can. When it came to video games at that time, I used to sail the seas, that's of course many years later when I finally got a computer that was already ancient behind what others were using, and play free demos and things when I couldn't figure things out. But it was enough for me. Slightly different times now and I'm glad I can now give to someone who might find themselves in a similar position to mine when I was a kid. If it's a bot it is what it is, if one of those keys goes to the right place it's worth the others going to the void.

I doubt a kid who can barely get anything will take their just earned $5 and ask their parents to buy him steam keys off this pretty shady looking key reselling site when the parents might not even have paypal and they'd have to type their credit card info in like that's totally what your mom and dad would've said yes when you were a kid, all for the kid then to go to SG to make a giveaway and give his one or two keys away rather than activate them on his own acc. I think you're talking way more complicated for a kid than you actually imagine it being mostly because you're probably early 30's. You forgot not everything is so simple for everyone as it is for you just because you've been doing it for years.

Either way I wish you the best, but we do have very different opinions on this whole subject.

Not trying to confuse you, I'm not saying it should be expected for users to have a 1/1 ratio. I don't care about that as I specified. But I did want to point out to prosac that just as he can judge someone for having a 0.15 ratio or something, his is also still 0.85 or so. There's tons of groups that wont even consider you for an application if your ratio is less than 1. So to many, he's also leeching. Do I actually mind or care, no, but I wanted to point it out, and it really bothered him. At the same time I pointed out that someone can have an amazing ratio but be in a group with 4 of his steam friends and swap games with each other, so basically doing fraud although it's an ok exploit here for whatever reason. Probably because if people couldn't exploit the site in some ways sg would be dead. I just meant to state that just as he has that mentality about leechers, someone else is gonna consider him a leecher, and someone else is gonna abuse the system in some other way, and then you got me who has a huge backlog and still have to play somehow through all my 700+ wins. So I meant to say we're all at fault somehow.

You literally made full circle. First you complain someone judged you as if you're not the type to do so, then you say you don't care, then you proceed to say others are also to be judged. Did you not notice when you typed it? Welcome to the internet I guess? It's 2024 we still say that....

I shame you, him and ME in the same comment, I literally wrote "System is there and you can use it as you wish. None of us are here without some faults in how we operate.". That doesn't mean I can't point something out. You do you, but you've been here longer than I have, you could slowly improve on it and eventually balance yourself out or get closer. Maybe one day you too want to give to the you 10 years ago who didn't have much, rather than be prideful that you contribute to him having less because you can. Not something you should be proud of. Do it, but don't be proud off. Part of the reason I'm even telling you this is because of all the troll posts you've made before. I can tell how you are based on those. So no I'm not impressed.

Not sure what's so funny about it, but again, you're probably just made that way? Things are just funny to you.