I don't think I can ever take the NRA's side even though I quite enjoy gunshows and watching archery and sport shooting. I think marksmanship is a great sport but the NRA are full of bs
p.s. I have very little talent when it comes to marksmanship
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According to the article, this is not about blacklisting or trying to take away the NRA's right to speak, as it claims. Insurance brokers were fined for breaking the law by selling an insurance product that promotes illegal activity (unlawfully using a gun): NRA Carry Guard aka "murder insurance". Although the NRA claims to be a civil rights organisation these days, its activities generally serve the weapons manufacturers that provide the majority of its funding. The NRA was formed to provide firearm education, including safe and responsible firearm use, which seems at odds with insuring against the cost of deadly gun use.
The NRA likes to play the victim but it certainly knows a thing or two about blacklisting: they are currently cultivating misinformation and encouraging people to destroy their YETI coolers (eskies/chilly bins) after YETI revised their partnership discount program.
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As far as I understand, Yeti was bullied into dropping the NRA in the first place. That's what SJWs do, they bully companies, governments, etc ("we won't stop harassing you and boycotting you until you boycott Evil Corp X yourself") in order to destroy whoever they decided belongs to "The Empire of Evil". They remind me of Bush when he talked about Al-Qaeda 🙃
I'm not a fan of the NRA (I live in a country where firearms are regulated and I don't really fancy the average John Doe owning a gun, although I do hear the argument that it might help fight back against terrorist attacks like those that were done in Paris 2 years ago), but they shouldn't be bullied by officials either...
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They're not bullied. They are asked to comply with existing laws. Then they cry persecution so that they look like victims. Ad you talk about SJW? How is what the NRA doing different when they pretend to be persecuted for having to follow the same rules everyone else is?
As for the argument that guns could have an effect against terrorist attacks, they come from interested parties ad/or people who only know guns from tv and think they are magic wands which fight evil. They're not
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They're not bullied. They are asked to comply with existing laws
Yeah, I'm sure defending the 2nd Amendment is highly illegal...
As for the argument that guns could have an effect against terrorist attacks
In the Nov 2015 Paris attacks, basically a small crew with guns went on a killing spree in several places. Some of them shot a few people in a bar, then quietly got back to their car and moved to some other place to shoot other people. If the crowd and/or the bartenders had been armed, they would probably have been stopped with way fewer victims. Not saying it would have prevented the attack, just saying it would have been quite mitigated.
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Yeah, I'm sure defending the 2nd Amendment is highly illegal...
No need for sarcasm, I was talking about this specific article and what it's about. And regardless of the need for the second amendment, which I will not discuss here, since we're talking about amendments, what you are qualifying as "bullying by those pesky SJWs", is a bunch of people using their first amendment rights so I don't see a problem with it. When the NRA is doing it, it's lobbying but when it's "SJWs", it's bullying?
In the Nov 2015 Paris attacks, basically a small crew with guns went on a killing spree in several places. Some of them shot a few people in a bar, then quietly got back to their car and moved to some other place to shoot other people.
I know exactly what you were talking about. My sister was at the Bataclan when it was attacked.
If the crowd and/or the bartenders had been armed, they would probably have been stopped with way fewer victims.
Exactly what I was talking about. No they wouldn't. The fallacy that a few untrained armed civilians could stop armed men by firing at them while being fired upon is promoted by movies and television. Bullets don't stop bullets. Now if we're talking about trained armed police or military, sure. Armed citizens dispensing justice, and keeping peace, give me a break. I am a long time gun owner, I have been shooting on range for several decades and I have competed nationally with some success and I can tell you I would never take the risk of firing into a crowd or believe I can protect anyone from armed psychos. So a bartender who just has a gun under his bar and never spent one minute training with it? It would only make more fatalities.
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I am a long time gun owner
It's amazing how every single anti-gun person happens to be a gun owner...
https://www.dangerous.com/43999/alyssa-milanos-armed-bodyguard-threatens-journalist-anti-gun-rally/
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Just because you call me "anti-gun" doesn't mean I am. I am anti any scared idiot getting a gun because they think it's a crime-fighting magic wand. Do you own a gun? Have you seen one outside your tv? Have you seen the hole a bullet makes in a body? Don't talk about what you don't know.
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I am anti any scared idiot getting a gun
Well then we agree in case you didn't read the first comment of mines you responded to
Have you seen one outside your tv?
Yes, here too we have those magical places we refer to as firing ranges
Have you seen the hole a bullet makes in a body? Don't talk about what you don't know.
Yes. Have you operated on the holes a bunch of bullets make in a body?
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Well then we agree in case you didn't read the first comment of mines you responded to
I did so I don't get why you're responding to my reply with sarcasm.
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You get a gold star and a little blue heart. How the weapon industry lobby branch managed to make gullible people believe they were just a little folksy association "fighting for people's rights" is really beyond me. And they know their blacklisting indeed. They lobbied (and blackmailed) to get movie distributors pass on Mrs Sloane because they thought it made them look bad and was anti-gun when it was just about showing the truth about lobbying... on both sides of an issue
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Yeah, if the NRA truly represented citizens and not gun manufacturers, they would stop lobbying to prevent the stricter firearm sale laws that the American public, including gun owners, consistently indicates that it wants. The US government can't even pass a bill to prevent the sale of guns to people on the FBI's terrorist watchlist, despite years of trying.
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People are calling NRA's Carry Guard "murder insurance" is because it is a financial product that pays off in the instance of gun use that results in criminal charges or civil claims, i.e. illegal gun use. The state financial regulator found that the insurer and insurance broker "unlawfully (i.e. they broke the law) provided liability insurance to gun owners for acts of intentional wrongdoing". The NRA has filed a case but it is not yet before the court or being judged and there is a reasonable chance it will be thrown out as frivolous because their claim of Constitutional rights infringement is tenuous at best.
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If you're not in New York, I suppose you'll have to wait until claim time or a test case to find out whether you have wasted your money.
Legality of this product aside, it does make sense for the NRA to get into insurance sales because their marketing strategy seems to be the same as that of insurance companies: pushing emotional buttons to get people to make decisions based on fear rather than facts.
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Does living in Chicago count as your "fear" and "fact"?
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Why are the most random no-name websites chosen to push for gun control?
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Why do epidemiologists and medical researchers publish their findings in peer-reviewed journals? This is how science happens and they do it In the interest of public health. They would do it more freely if the NRA didn't lobby the government to ban it.
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The CDC should focus on diseases and not continue being an attack dog for gun control. Too much weaponized government these days.
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The CDC's role is to protect the people of USA from health threats, including injuries. Epidemiologists don't make recommendations, they identify trends, such as that drivers intoxicated by alcohol are disproportionately represented in motor vehicle accident injury statistics. Governments can use this science to develop policies to reduce the burden of disease, disability and death on taxpayers, e.g. prohibiting the driving of a motor vehicle while intoxicated by alcohol, but it is the NRA that has politicized the issue, much like the tobacco lobby before them. The NRA is afraid that the facts will harm the business of their benefactors, the gun manufacturers, and they are successfully paying off the government to suppress the science. By bowing to the NRA, the government prevents the CDC from doing its job of protecting Americans from dangerous and expensive health threats, sacrificing public health and funds for gun manufacturer profits.
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Already existing laws handle that, so it is within their right to combat government abuse.
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How do you think those drink driving laws came about? Was the government abusing alcohol companies and the public by removing the right to simultaneously consume alcohol and drive a motor vehicle?
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I am surprised we don't ban cars for all the murder they cause. Not even a protected human right.
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That may be true in some cases, but dude, he's citing Gallup for two polls and the New England Journal of Medicine for a scientific article. When it comes to polls and scientific articles, you can't really get much more relevant than Gallup and the NEJM, respectively.
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Polls are worthless as a metric. You can praise some medicine journal, but I don't subscribe to their newsletter.
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I mean, if you're referring to the New England Journal of Medicine as "some medicine journal" with a straight face... I don't really know what to say to that.
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Medicine is interested in gun injuries. The legal aspect is that the NRA has successfully lobbied the government to introduce and maintain laws preventing medical research on gun violence by CDC.
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You can dislike one side without taking another side you know? ;)
The NRA are still a bunch of c*nts, no matter what NY does ;)
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The NRA is a garbage organization that only cares about profit.
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NRA places a bad light on gun owners. Too big, too arrogant.
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"The NRA sues the.." is right up there with "Westboro protests the..".
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Ironically you have blacklisted me. I guess we see us in court :D
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Thank you for your giveaway, Canis. :D
BL is clearly overrated. ^^
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Shootings are part and parcel of living in blue states, but yes, blame goes elsewhere.
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I'm blacklisting the NRA from entering any future bad rats giveaways i make. ;)
Because......you know......that's a game everyone should own, except the NRA. :D
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Honestly, some people would be crazy enough to sue over a SG blacklist. It's taken way too personally.
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watch out for blacklist abuse :O
it's real and it's out there! :O
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Hit the like if you're here for the giveaway.
Got no idea what this article is about, but thanks for the giveaway!
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You do not have permission to view this giveaway, since you have been blacklisted by the giveaway creator. rofl calling my lawyer..
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If you've been blacklisted, take heart -- you might be able to sue!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-nra-new-york/nra-sues-new-york-governor-regulator-for-blacklisting-campaign-idUSKBN1IC2AK
What's that? A giveaway, you say? Okay, if you insist
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