Which of the remaining characters do you sympathize most with?
i think jon will survive though....
well "survive" might not be the correct term,i mean since Melisandre is in castle black maybe she can bring him back?
she previously told Jon that she sees something in him,and we've seen that the Lord of light can bring people back from death,so...
i think Jon is one of the most important characters in the story,i can't accept his death :|
i'm like 97% sure he'll be back :|
but then again,he was one of my favorite characters so it just might be my imagination,trying to deny his death and make me feel a little bit better ( ._.)
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Kit Harrington has confirmed in an interview that he won't be returning, so as much as I would want to hope that Jon Snow will somehow return... it seems that at least in the series he's gone for good.
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Lol, that's no proof. He might've done this in order to hide the fact, because basically admitting to be a part of season 6 after your character gets shagged for the watch in the 5th would mean that your character isn't really dead. So nope, there's still hope.
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Well, them lying in order ti hide something like that would really serve no purpose and would be a first, since every other time when an actor confirmed his/ her death, it proved to be true. Furthermore, Kit Harrington got a haircut back in January, so yeah, you can keep disagreeing with me and I would love to be proven wrong, but as far as the evidence suggests, he is gone for good.
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White walkers don't need hair. If they don't burn jon snow's body he will turn.
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I think that's really possible too, this is the first time that the new TV series would be aired and NO ONE knows what's happening next, so such marketing stunt is quite possible.
As of the haircut, they may put him a wig or give him a complete new look. Anyway, we might all be suffering of denial... ONE FCKING YEAR to know what will happen, sigh
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Personally, I couldn't care less, since my favorites are Dolorous Edd and Doran Martell. I'm not really affected by it like other hysterical fans, but to be fair a haircut really doesn't prove anything. After all this is Game of Thrones. For example, if a favorite character gets shot and dies, then it's understandable for the actor to confirm death since the said character is dead due to bullet injury. But we've seen Dondarrion getting resurrected, Night's King raising the dead, and that whole business with craster's babies. So his fate is unsure.
I have a theory that the reason the actor is lying, and why he's shown to be killed, is because fans are already speculating his possible rebirth/warging, and you can bet everyone will want to know what happens in S06E01. Hence, since his fate is already being considered unresolved, leaving it that way would mean massive viewership.
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I, too, love Edd. He has some of the best lines in the books. Doran is a vastly underused character in the show, especially given that it's Doctor Julian Bashir Siddig El Fadil Alexander Siddig playing him.
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Lady Stoneheart is pretty different too, maybe they'll hire another actor
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I missed Ser Berric, Thoros, and Catlyn Stoneheart:/
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He can confirm whatever he wants right now...right now
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I think so too, GRRM has told in multiple times that he has some key figures that he won't kill just for fun and that the deaths of his characters drive the story forward. With Jon gone we wouldn't have eyes in Castle Black, I wanted that b!tch of Melisandre to die a horrible death but now she could bring us hope...
My gf told me about this theory last night to help me get over that traumatic ending. In truth the only thing that cheered me up and made me move on was the Bethesda E3 Conference, man Doom 4 and Fallout 4 are jaw dropping good.
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oh man...Bethesda's Conference was awesome and it made me happy too xD
i mean just look at Fallout 4 :| it's liek the perfect game (at least for me :D )
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Now I'm just hoping for those asshole at Steam to drop the prices of F3 and FNV, I mean they've been 80% off and now they are getting some shitty discounts to milk the fans' hype (I mean, 40% GOTYE... come on)
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i think we'll see a "Bethesda" sale in the upcoming days (maybe even today!)
and on that day Fallout and Elder scrolls games will go on a good sale :D
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There was a Fallout sale just before the summer sale and it was with ridiculous discounts.. don't put your hopes up.
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I don't really hate Melisande as much as I loathed Stannis' wife and then him at the end. She's always been consistent, at least:)
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He said in an interview that the producers sat him down for the Soprano talk. His character is dead and he won't be on next season. Kit is currently deciding on which film project he'd like to work on next year.
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I don't see any cast list for S6 yet, where is it hidden?:)
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He died though. You could see that, the scene where he was lying on the ground, his face stopped movie and blood was flowing on the snow.
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Melisandre told Stanis that she saw the Bolton banners burning. Yet his army was routed and we can presume that he was killed by Brienne. So what does that leave us with? Melisandre who has the magic to heal and bring people back to the dead and a Jon Snow(Targaryen) who has been kicked out of the blackwatch. See where i am going with this?
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IF R + L = J or the new R + L = J + M do prove to be true, I will be really happy. I don't want Jon to be dead. And I want Arya to stab Cersei with her Needle. That's how Cersei should die. Arya must kill her.
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as for certain someone's death, have a book spoiler that explains a lot beow :)
In books it's heavily hinted that spirit of Jon Snow may transfer to Ghost (his direwolf) moments before his death, He may have used warging and transfer his spirit into Ghost moments before his death and thus avoid it
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IIRC once your soul is in your pet you become wild, so Jon wouldn't really stay Jon, I (hope) guess R'hllor will do the magic trick again
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we cannot know that he'd be totally lost - after all Jon is half-Stark and with example of Bran we already know teir family hae certain predisposition to northen magic
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ZOMG If he really is half Stark and half Targaryen... Oh boy, imagine the possibilities, he could take Drogon :3
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yup - and now consider the fact that in books we have one more Targaryen ;) So with Jon being half-Targaryen we have 3 Targaryens - Jon, Danny and Aegon and there are 3 dragons - coincidence? :>
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God I stared hopelessly at his eyes on that last scene... hoping they turn white (warg) or at least blue (white walker) and he kills all those bastards that stabbed him, yes, even Ollie (fuck that back stabbing front stabber).
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Just remember the number one rule of GoT - if they don't burn the body, don't call them dead.
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Yeah, same applies for Theon and Sansa, also to Arya's sight. We'll have to wait a year to know what happened with all of them...
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I hate to shit on your parade but...this is directly from Kit Harrington:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview
Now, is it possible this is all a big misdirection? It could be, but it would be a first.
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Pretty much would be the only way for his character to remain in some capacity since Kit is off the show.
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They rushed Stannis' defeat and Arya's developments, left a clusterfuck of cliffhangers and think they can make it all up with a Cersei's slut shaming scene that took forever and having everyone's new beloved character get betrayed and killed?
Nope. Pretty boring last season episode.
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Season 5 was 20 good rapes of characters. In the book Stannis beat the Bolton army. Also why the hell weren't Jon Snow's wounds smoking? Dorne was terrible which is a pity cause there were a few interesting moments in it. Ser Barristan is alive in the books as well.
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"Season 5 was 20 good rapes of characters. " Are you saying that the rapes were...good?O.o
As to the rest, it's never explicitly stated that Stannis beat the Bolton's, last thing we know is that Stannis is holed up in some village.
Dorne had a lot of unexplored potential, I would like to know how Doctor Bashir got to become a Prince there, too.
Fuckyeah Barristan Selmy, one of my other favorite characters. When they killed him off in the show (which almost anyone could see coming after the old story about Rhaegar and him in KL) I was as angry as if someone had told me that GRRM was really trolling everyone and Winds of Winter was done.
" Also why the hell weren't Jon Snow's wounds smoking? " We couldn't really see them, in that last shot...I think most were gut wounds and the camera was focused on his chest and head and dark red blood on the snow.
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Stannis in the book actually managed to rally the North to his side. Such a rape of a character :/
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Oh I thought you meant the literal rapes since there were several unfortunate scenes.
Yes I know, he gets the Mormonts, HOUSE UMBAR OF THE BLOODY GIANT BADASSES and Karstarkexcept not really because lulz guiz they're working for Bolton.
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I see dead people. So much death! I dont know why they kill everyone in the last two episodes of every season. It totaly sucks, that every season ends with the death of some cool characters. I still miss Oberyn :( But as long as Tyrion is alive, I am happy. But I am not that much curious for the next saison as in the last time. Season 4 was still the best one :D
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I root for Daenerys, because dragons. If she fails, I'm with the White Walkers and the total destruction of mankind.
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Prince Charming is one of my favourites, same with Tyrion.
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So much for Stannis kicking out the Boltons.Now he's dead while the red god's bitch that convinced him to kill his daughter,which cost him his family,his army and any chance he had of defeating those flaying degenerates,is alive and well.FFS...
Seriously-fuck these last two ep's,fuck this season and fuck this show.
P.S.:I'm rooting for Dany & Co (though mainly for Tyrion).Though,seeing how the show is on a character killing spree,I won't be surprised if they kill them all off in the first two ep's of season 6
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Story was too complicated for the "writers", so they're simplifying by killing characters. The only explanation I can think of.
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They didn't show Stannis die. He might not be dead. Otherwise, very very poor writing.
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As if there's a way he can avoid it now.Brienne has no reason to let him live and there's like zero point in his survival anyway (Melisandre's "advice" made sure of that).They wrote him into a bloody corner...
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Nope. She has one crucial reason: her last vow to Catelyn was that she'd be protecting the latter's daughters. Arya basically midfing'd her and Sansa wasn't jumping with joy to have her protection either, but Brienne still held on to the vow. And Stannis is her only chance if she is ever to infiltrate Winterfell. Plus the scene was more like how Catelyn apparently swung the sword at Jaime back in season 2 but in reality was pushing it to the ground for that oath.
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"Stannis is her only chance if she is ever to infiltrate Winterfell"
Infiltr...With a crippled Stannis that just lost what remained of his army?"Best plan evah",mate.Plus,she gave up on waiting for the signal to pursue Stannis.Vengeance took precedence over rescuing Sansa.
"the scene was more like how Catelyn apparently swung the sword at Jaime back in season 2"
I suppose you can find this scene for me or where it is mentioned.
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She isn't exactly best chums with Boltons, the King could give a rat's ass about honorable intentions and would rather have Sansa captured for the Joffrey murder, Petyr quite formally told Brienne to piss off, and I don't suppose you'd be knowing any other House with intentions against Boltons as of in the current time frame. And she missed the signal, not deliberately ignore it. From what I can roughly estimate, she'd been staring at the same place for about two weeks. So naturally she'd want to see her beloved's killer first after going probably bonkers seeing that same place. And like it or not for her, Stannis is the only one who, despite being crippled and left with no army, is still a king, who intends to defeat Boltons. And again, it is only shown that she slashes the sword.
The scene is from the book, I remembered, not sure if first or second. But it's still relevant as an example.
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Plus, in the books he does defeat the Boltons. And she wouldn't be doing a great service to house Baratheon by killing off the line. (since Tomnen and Gendry are bastards)
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Exactly. Stannis is no favorite of mine, but they didn't show him dying, and I'm pretty sure it was for maintaining the suspense while actually keeping him alive, because I don't see D&D shying away from violence (ned beheading, gruesome deaths in the battle of King's Landing, Ramsay flaying the Greyjoy+Ironborn soldiers etc)
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No he doesn't.The battle with them hasn't even begun yet in the book.
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"who intends to defeat Boltons"
Which he is SO going to do after just losing everything.Yeah,logical.
"The scene is from the book"
Hasn't it already been established that the show deviated from the books?For all we know,in season 2 Cat simply cut Jaime's bounds,threatened him and sent him and Brienne on their merry way.
sigh Guess we'll have to wait till next season for a confirmation.I'm personally expecting the Boltons to pull a "King of the North" on his corpse.And even if the show DOES give him some last minute plot armor,its not like there's any point in his survival anyway.
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sigh that is the point.
"For all we know,in season 2 Cat simply cut Jaime's bounds,threatened him and sent him and Brienne on their merry way." So unless they properly show Stannis getting beheaded, which they haven't, then it's a pretty ambiguous situation and he can be either dead or alive.
"Which he is SO going to do after just losing everything.Yeah,logical." he still is the king of dragonstone, and I don't need to re-iterate the fact that Brienne hasn't got any other leads or hopes. He has lost mostly everything, but considering he's alive and kicking in the books, it's possible he might have a bigger role. Yes the series is getting deviated from the books, but not so much so as to completely alter what GRRM has in store for the books. And since Stannis' army is still armed and standing with various houses supporting him, on the verge of laying siege to Winterfell (no direct war), I don't think D&D would alter everything that much, because it can definitely change the endgame of the show/books.
I'm not team Stannis but I can see clearly that Jon is shown dead, Ramsay guts some guy on the battlefield, Myrcella dies in Jaime's arms and so on. But only Stannis is the one whose death they don't show directly. It's just Brienne swinging her sword. So let's see next year. Personally hoping Boltons make it through because Roose is one goddamn badass
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"considering he's alive and kicking in the books"
In the books.Thats where your whole argument collapses on itself.You are clinging to the book Stannis,despite the fact that he has nothing to do with show Stannis (that is,unless Martin "fixes" that in the books).
And now,there's this.
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facepalm I'll reiterate: I refuse to believe his death simply because it is not shown, it is implied. And why he'd be alive rather than death is why I go into the books. You're missing that very point. If they show his properly dead body like that of Jon Snow, I'll be happy to agree with you. But they haven't, and that's something to find out in S06.
These are all theories and speculations derived, on why he's still alive, but all these are only based on whether he's actually or not killed. So unless you claim to have seen some bonus footage of his headless corpse, I'm with <his fate is "ambiguous", not "deceased".>
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Now there is no one that Knows Nothing .... Stannis is dead and Arya is blind ? Welp I'm rooting for the White Walkers from now on ! I hope they get every last human and convert the planet into Ice Planet.
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Stannis isn't dead, it's implied that Brienne swings the sword at his head. Remember Caitlyn and Jaime?
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Oh god I hope you are right! I know a lot of people hate him for what he did, but i still like him and THE ONE TRUE KING! XD I wonder if he is alive what will he do to Melisandre :D. I mean she convinced him to kill his daughter and he would win, yet he lost his army and almost his life :D .
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You not read the books? Arya should have been blind earlier.
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I not... I mean no, I do not read the books. And from what I understand there are quite a bit of changes and characters dying, so i wouldn't expect anything from the books happening in the TV show :D.
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Pity, missing some good stuff and possible connections. That and Dany having the shits.
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I'm really annoyed that they chose to change the story from the books.
Especially Stannis. He's one of the most..fair characters in the books. He would never do the things he did in the TV series.
I would've been a lot more content if they would have killed sansa and let stannis live.
Now it's time for some theories:
Beric Dondarrion was a lord of light follower. He got resurrected a bunch of times. Perhaps the same will happen with stannis?
Lady Stoneheart was left out from the TV series. This simple fact makes me strongly believe that they'll keep the resurrection for some other character
Jon Snow. If he stays dead there wouldn't be any other night watch characters to follow. The books are told from different points of view. Jon snow/Sam were the only characters who were "telling" the story from Night Watch. Sam is gone. Jon is dead. Who's left to tell the story? Yep nobody. This is why Jon will be back... one way or another
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Jon Snow. If he stays dead there wouldn't be any other night watch characters to follow. The books are told from different points of view.
Lady Melisandre has a point of view and is in the right place, oh my, I'm not really sure now
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Melisandre has no allies at Night's watch.
Davos would kill her with his own hands, other night watch dudes don't like her either.
And yeah, davos also had some POV chapters, but none of these characters are "strong" enough to carry the whole story. Davos/Melisandre are pretty much support characters. If they don't have anyone to support, their existence is .. pointless
It's like having a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You need all components to make the sandwich. if you only have the jelly your sandwich won't be a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
GoT needs a main character at the Night's Watch. Else nobody will feel attached or care about the upcoming fight vs the white walkers
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don't be so sure - Cersei and Jaime used to be support characters as well ;) Jaime became POV in 3rd book, and Cersei in 4th ;)
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as for Stannis - he's not so bad in the books, but to call him the most fair? At beggining sure - but more he deals with Melissandre the worse he gets. By the end of 5th book I'd surely not call him fair or honorable anymore. Yet at least he's not such a dick as they made him in this season.
as for Night's Watch - in books Night's Watch story (except for prologue/epilogue - this always get some random POV characters) was told from Jon and Sam POV only as well, so it's not only TV show - in books there's also no POV character left on the wall ;p
As for possible way of Jon coming back http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/SrH8eYU and comments below ;>
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He went to attack winterfell to rescue "Arya" and to get the support of the north. His intentions are fair. He strongly believes in justice.
About Melisandre. If i remember correctly he never actually liked her. His own wife brought Melisandre to him.
And then Stannis is the right contented to the throne. Robert was the oldest, then Stannis and Renly.
Stanis never wanted to fight this war, he's just trying to do the right thing. Remember that he was the only "king" that actually went and helped the Night's watch when they sent letters
He never had a happy story, but he always tried to do what's best. In the world of Asoiaf he's one of the most fair characters.
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Agree and I hope he's not dead or at least in the books, I mean, Kevan is still alive, so books could be different ? isn't it ? Yes ! Stannis must not die D:
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Nahh, Kevan is killed by crossbow bolt from Varys, who's still at King's Landing in the books but that part comes a bit later. It might happen in season 6
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I liked Stannis until the end. I only felt sorry for him after he sacrificed Shireen. I still supported him.
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* Especially Stannis. He's one of the most..fair characters in the books. He would never do the things he did in the TV series. * Yep!
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This joke of a tv show has nothing in common with books (since last season). It's not even worth watching. Save yourself some time and read the books.
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I enjoy doing both. Now at least I get some surprises contrary to knowing everything that's gonna happen ;p
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I may be joining you in the City of Denial after the last few episodes of 5. I've been less and less engaged since S3.
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I like they changed it. Books are always better,this show is just bonus for me, at least now it's less predictable
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i hope to that the white walkers conquer entire world :D
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I just want to see a horrible, slow and painfull dead for Ramsay
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I don't get it - I really do enjoy his character - one of the most intresting characters this season :>
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I totally agree.
I always compared him to Jon Snow, both being bastard boys becoming a lot more than that.
Also, even though he's a sadist, i can't help but applaud his devotion and intelligence. Just look at what he made out of that Theon Greyjoy prick. Also, unlike most of the antagonists in the show, he's not a massive cunt xD
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Ramsay has never felt particularly intelligent to me. A simple dude with simple funs.
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that has nothing to do with intelligence... enough time with flaying knife + psychological torment and most people would be as broken as Theon is (and yet in the end he rebelled, so I wouldn't say it was Ramsay's success... and generally speaking doing what Ramsay did to Theon was stupid move politically) :P
I don't get how Ramsay is interesting character... He's cartoonishly sadistic, has bastard complex (even Sansa called him out on this) and father issues. Moreover he seems to be unable to think of long-term consequences of his actions. (all of this is more evident in the books, in the show Ramsay is only slightly less obnoxious).
"Also, unlike most of the antagonists in the show, he's not a massive cunt xD" - could you elaborate? 'cause I don't understand what you mean by that.
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He's also just another way of demonstrating how acceptable misogyny is; sure it's a brutal time and place for women, but they tend to be the ones who go through the most torture. Only Theon has really suffered as much among male characters.
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I'd say that Theon suffered even more. Not only is he tortured on daily basis, has been mutilated, but also had his identity forcefully taken away from him. Imho, the only other character (if any) whose suffering is comparable is Jeyne Poole (but that's venturing into books realm and discussion is about tv show), but then again I don't really think we should be keeping charts who is the biggest victim.
I totally get what you are saying, though.
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I honestly don't know how to say this, but there are certain things about Joffrey and Cersei that just make you hate them. Like their way of speaking and behaving and so on...
Yeah...maybe he's not that intelligent after all, but i really believe he inspires more fear than hatred to most of the audience. Basically, he's not a massive cunt because he's not just a person overwhelmed by power, taking advantage of who knows what situation and not even knowing what to do, and he's actually more like a really really really bad person. He has a established purpose and he's not just childishly playing with the other characters. Therefore, i believe he deserve more respect, and less hate, unlike some others.
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He is a massive cunt!
He brutally murders the girls who he gets bored with, like during the hunting scene(letting dogs eat her alive)! He is a sadist who flays people for amusement! What he did to Theon is a little extreme! He outright betrayed the Ironborn occupants of Winterfell, promising them freedom if they surrendered but ultimately flaying them all.
I mean, he makes Joffrey look like the pope! XD
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He's such a good boy, proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEQnwF4yoWI&feature=youtu.be
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You know that movie is based on books? If you try to read them you'll have answers to some of your questions :) At least Bran and Arya stories are developed more,
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yet this episde changed Arya story, so books may not be related anymore (same as it goes with Sansa)
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It feels like the season's ended abruptly just when things are finally about to happen on all fronts. The finale has more cliffhangers than closure.
I guess that's sort of true for the book as well.
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it is indeed - that's why everyone are so frustrated with GRRM taking so absurdly long to finish Winds of Winter...
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Boy, Cersei's tits are saggy. Talk about fan disservice. Especially after Tyene's scene a few eps back.
They really rushed Stannis' arc. Too bad. I kinda liked the guy.
Pretty sure Jon Snow will be back. Melisandre coming back to camp? Dead giveaway. Or resurrected giveaway, more like.
Villains are getting boring. Ramsay is a sadist, bleh. Sons of Harpy, bleh. Nasty grinch Aliser and co, bleh. I really miss Tywin. Dude has class.
Daenerys can be trampled by all those horses for all I care. Team Tyrion and Varys, fuck yeah. Should have separated them in the poll.
Also, your poll has no DAVOS. This is unacceptable. Also, where is BRONN? We know he will end up on the Iron Throne, what with the luck he has every season. Season 5: got a smokin' hot new lover.
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Cersei is in her 40s and had kids. She actually looks quite good considering.
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Bronn? nah - the person seated on Iron Throne gonan be Hodor - because it's the only character even GRRM is not going to kill ;P
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her tits are supposed to be saggy, in the book is explicit.
Now people know that she is just a mildly old woman, she lost almost all her power.
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It's implied that Brienne slashed the sword at Stannis' head. His fate is unresolved, something to be hopefully resolved by 6th season. I think it's like Caitlyn and Jaime when Jaime is captured.
must say, Stannis fights pretty good for a half dead man
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I haven't watched the finale, but I guess the series is a little different than the book. I enjoyed reading Jamie, Cersei and Tyrion the most. Also one of the characters I find interesting is Qyburn. Other than that I believe that Jon is another Targaryen (son of one of those kings and Ned's sister) and will survive - in the end marry Deanerys and rule the kingom together with her.
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I LOVE RAMSAY!!!
Jon Snow will be back is easy to see that, now i was surprised how easily Stannis is gone. If he really is dead... I'm shocked! And Arya? OMFG will she really be blind? That god is getting insane.
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- Tyrion
- Arya
- Daeny
Those have been my favorite characters since quite a while, I was biting my nails last season with Tyrion and got a nerdgasm whith S4 finale, however I was shocked for about an hour after S5 finale... that ending scene is too much, I was just starting to like that guy this season.
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As if the whole "Battle of Winterfell" crap wasn't enough.But no-they just had to spill some more salt in our wounds with Jon's assasination and Myrcella's poisoning (ruining probably one of the best moments Jaime has ever had in the show,too).
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Yeah... poor Jamie, at least he came clean with her and she loved him back, but since the moment Ellaria kissed her in the mouth I knew she was poisoning her, kinda hoped Tristan could do something, she was one of the few likable Lannisters.
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I seriously hope that bitch and her mercs get the sword for that stunt.Then again,I also hoped that Stannis would take out the Bolton's and put Ramsay's and Roose's heads on spikes.And we all know how THAT ended (r.i.p. Stannis).
"she was one of the few likable Lannisters"
Yup.And now there's...Tyrion,Kevan,Jaime...Yeah,thats pretty much it.I'd add Tommen to the list,but he's so powerless its freaking annoying.
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I hope Stannis and especially Jon didn't die. I wish Daenerys dies so Tyrion and Jorah can get married and rule Westeros. I'm also sad for Jaime now :(
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I suppose now Arya will only be able to see when wearing someone else's face?
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Any chance that Stannis is still alive is there something in the books ?
i liked him i hope he is still alive :(
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In the books Ramsey write a letter to Jon and he says that Stannis is dead, but... it could be a lie\a fake letter
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My thoughts:
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First, let's address the elephant in the room: I almost weeped when I saw Jon stabbed to death. Even though I know he'll totally not stay dead cause he IS The Song of Fire and Ice (the son of Raegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark) and therefore the protagonist of the show and more importantly, because (before his interview) it was known that Kit Harrington signed with HBO for at least 7 seasons, it was still incredibly painful to watch. As for his statement of not returning to the show, after Sean Bean revealed crucial information about the show, namely how Jon Snow is most certainly NOT Ned's bastard son, HBO probably had them all sign non-disclosure agreements. This leads me to believe he's totally lying...
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Danaerys meeting the Dothraki was a really cheap cliffhanger. I mean...c'mon, we all know they won't hurt her. Even with Khal Drogo gone, she's still Khaleesi and when they'll see Drogon, they'll bow down to her and join her army, cause..."the Dothraki only recognize power, not blood". And who has more power than the chick who controls a giant, fire-breathing, man-eating, murderous flying lizard? And did anyone else get a back-stabbing Jorah feel coming from Dario? I'd be really surprised if he doesn't. Or maybe Jorah will try to kill him. Definitely don't see those two riding together ending well. Or maybe their love for Danaerys is more important for them and they'll just focus on finding her. But I doubt it, this is GoT, after all.
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Even though Stannis deserves all the horrible things that have happened to him (fucking douche), i'm still a little sad that those Bolton a-holes managed to win again. I REALLY HOPE that at least Ramsay dies next season. If Roose dies to, it'll be like a bonus. BTW, Brienne most definitely didn't kill Stannis. If she had, we totally would've seen it. I speak from the experience that this show has never shied away from showing in brutally graphic details all of the deaths in it (from Ned Stark's and Rodrikk Cassel's decapitations, to Joffrey's horribly gruesome, but satisfying as hell poisoning and Oberryn's head popping like a zit...eugh). No, in Sandor's Clagaine's case there was no need to show the actual body, cause there's no conceivable way he could have survived and so there's little doubt about it. The only death in this show that would make me question this was Bariston Selmy's, as I was sure he would still live after seeing how Grey-Worm prevented his throat getting slit. I thought there was no need for this if he'd die anyway and I was genuinely surprised seeing him dead in the next episode (because this show's storytelling is PURE GENIUS). However, i like to see this as the exception that confirms the rule.
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There's no reason Reek and Sansa would have made that jump if it was going to be certain death. They're not crazy... Well, he is a little, but she isn't. They probably had some hay to cushion their fall or something. maybe put there by Podrick? I like to think so... Suspicious he wasn't by Brienne's side when she wanted to off Stannis.
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Loved the scene in which Arya killed that psycho that fucked up Syrio Forrell, but I don't really feel for her getting blind. Of all the Stark children, I feel the least sympathetic towards her, cause her story is so far away and feels totally disconnected from the rest of them. I'm actually more interested to know about Bran, especially since he wasn't in this season at all.
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Cersei's gonna get her revenge on the religious nut-jobs in spades. Not much to say about that. I hate Cersei with flaming passion, but religious fanatic cunts need to get theirs too. Cause in real life they get away with it far too often.
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I didn't really give a fuck about Myrcella dying. After seeing Shirene burning at the stake, hard for something to really move me in this series. Especially as I wasn't nearly as invested emotionally in her as I was in Shirene. I didn't even feel for Jaime's pain. Even though he turned out not to be such a fucking ass-hole, I still remember him throwing Bran out the window in cold blood in season 1, so it's hard to sympathize with him, since he's a child murdered and all. Plus, him fathering his sister's children...eugh. And the way Myrcella just turned out to be incredibly cool with this... what a REALLY FUCKED UP FAMILY. Worse than the Targaryens... Maybe that's why Tyrion can resonate with Danny so well. Cause they're both good, decent people that come from shitty families made of incestuous psychopaths. Anyhow, we'll surely be getting some pay-back for this shit next season, when Duran will cut off that bitch Ellaria's head for what she did.
Now, about how people voted in this pole:
What kind of creepy, sleazy pervert would sympathize would Petyr Baelish? And what kind of fucking emotionless psychopaths would sympathize with Ramsay Bolton? Or even a child murderer like Jaime... And I like to think that putting the White Walkers in the pole was a joke and that's how the people who voted this took it. And I can't believe no one voted for Brienne and Prodick... Normally I'd vote for Danaerys, but I'll change my vote just cause I think this is unfair.
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About 4: In the book there is snow, snow everywhere, tons of snow. They jumped in some meters of snow.
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Even though I know he'll totally not stay dead cause he IS The Song of Fire and Ice (the son of Raegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark)
??? WUT?
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You don't believe the popular theory? There are strong arguments to support this:
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Ned's integrity. He would have never cheated on Cat and fathered a bastard child. This is a man that was willing to die of starvation in prison rather than admit to a lie, basically Westeros' Jesus (minus the resurrection part).
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Everyone that ever spoke of Raegar said he was a really good and decent guy. Not the kind of douche-bag that would kidnap, rape and murder a woman in cold-blood. Much more probable that he and Lyanna fell in love and decided to run away together and get married, as there was no other way since he was married to Elia and she was promised to Robert.
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Danny saw The Iron Throne covered in snow in her vision. Hmm, could that be a possibility that someone from the North is going to get it? Gee, I wonder who, since as far as we know, she's the one with the strongest claim. Who could have a stronger claim than her? Oh, I dunna, a child fathered by her late brother? Who was after all, the rightful heir to the throne? And his bastard name is Snow... Coincidence much?
And the whole song thing is a metaphor: it's about their unfulfilled love, because Targaryen is fire and Stark is ice. And he's the product of this forbidden union.
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Technically Westeros' Jesus was probably more likely to be Baleor Baelor the Blessed, if we're talking recent history:P
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Like I give a shit what a person like you, who didn't even bother to explain why he disagrees with me, thinks.
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Stannis was not a douche to me, I liked him until the end. I only felt sorry for him because of what he felt like he had to do. I never liked Melisandre however. I don't hate Cersei...she is one of the most annoying characters on the show but I've really been feeling sorry for her this season. Especially since I hate the religious people and I hope Mountain crushes their skulls like he did with Oberyn. Myrcella was a great character, she was nice and kind. And the moment between her and Jaime was very emotional. I definitely empathize with Jaime alot. You're simply wrong with your strong opinions on incest. Making kids is a problem irl and should not be allowed but there's no rational, logical reason against protected sex. Only opinions (which are unwarranted since it's really no one elses business). Also Daenerys is naive, childish and I haven't yet been able to figure out why any other character likes her.
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Dude, he burned his own daughter at the stake... there's no redemption after that. I know he wasn't as big a douche in the books, but we're discussing the show here. yes, of course I wanted the fucking ass-hole Boltons to have a really bad time before Stannis got his, but let's think logically for a moment. Was there any way in hell Stannis could win this battle after all that happened to his army (the mercenaries he bought with the Bravos money fleeing, Ramsay's devastating attack, freezing and starvation, half of his own loyal men deserting him and leaving him without any horses after sacrificing Shirene)? NO, of course not, it was just the logical conclusion to an illogical course of action. There is no way any good army commander would sacrifice his own daughter in the eve of a life and death battle and still hope to win.
Yeah, Cersei is a horrible person, sure, but there's no way even she deserved what the religious cunts did to her. That was a really heavy scene and I have to admit I did empathize with her a little. But then again, she did it to Margaery and Loras. Yeah, like I said in the comment, she's totally gonna exterminate them all. Probably uncle Kevan will help her on this, even though he doesn't like her very much. I mean...the look on his face when he saw her... yeah, same as ours, the viewers. On this I agree with you. The High Sparrow needs a serious ass-whoopin'.
Yes, Myrcella was ok, but she was a really underdeveloped character, since she was off-screen for more than 2 seasons. I'm not glad for what happened to her, obviously, but I'm not nearly as bummed out as I was over Shirene. Anyhow, I did state that Duran will take care of Ellaria's treachery and I really hope he does. Unless she put together some nefarious plan to assassinate him too (although I find that highly unlikely, since the Sand Snakes would never allow her to do that and because with Duran dead, Trystane will get the throne and he wouldn't be very happy with them all after killing his fiancee and father).
As for the incest business, I dunna...i can stomach something like first cousins having sex if there's really no other choice and they love each other so very much, but brother and sister? NO EFFING WAY. I have a sister too and...eugh!!!! Also, they did have kids...and two of them have sat/are sitting on a throne they have no right to. And the most honorable person in the world lost his head because of this... And one of them was a murderous psychopath, precisely because he was in-bred. I'm sorry, you can spin it all you want, but what Cersei and Jaime have is WRONG. Especially since she's a monster and he's...not that bad a guy (although i still can't forgive him for Bran).
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Yeah he did, but it was Melisandre who "made" him do it. And I hated her more for it. The way for him to win was that Melisandre would have been right, ofc. And by that I mean win that one battle. After that nobody would have accepted him as king though. And then I would have felt even more sorry for him.
Yeah. I hope she gets the Tyrells released or something, maybe sees things differently. But I think she got enough punishment for that, assuming Margaery and Loras are still ok.
Yes, they didn't have time to develop her, which I didn't like. My main concern with Shireen was related to the scenes between her and Stannis where he said he loved her. And her relationship with Davos. I don't think she was a very developed character either, just a little girl. Yes, I hope Duran gets the information on what happened soon. Overall everybody at Dorne seems to be an idiot except Duran.
Yes, but whether you like your sister that way or don't, what Jaime said to Myrcella still applies. The disctinction between cousins and siblings is not rational, it's just a personal feeling you have. Having kids was a poor idea, but this is a different world than the real world, and there's no actual proof that Joffrey was like he was because he was in-bred. Especially when their other kids are kind and likable. I have already forgiven him for what he did to Bran. I just don't see things very black and white.
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You make good points.
But your #7 is stupid as fuck. You might as well say you hate Grey Worm because he's black.
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Are you fucking comparing the condemnation of incest to racism? SERIOUSLY????? I don't blame Myrcella for being in-bred, I blame her for being ok with that. If I found out I was an in-bred child (considering I would have an IQ higher than a turnip), I'd totally show the middle finger to both my parents and tell them to sod off out of my life. And being in-bred is something that is fucking unnatural, as opposed to being black. The fuck is wrong with you? You know why Joffrey was a psychopathic little cunt? Because he was IN-BRED. Even Cersei said so. She was thankful that Tommen and Myrecella weren't as fucked up.
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I was asking myself why you were on my Blacklist, but then your childish replies filled with anger that read like a 14 year old who just got told he can't go online for a week reminded me.
You really should try to tame down your comments, when you reply like that most people won't even read what you are trying to say, they will just see anger and not even bother with any of the points you make.
Also, Joffrey was a psychopathic because he was in-bred but also because he was Cersei's child. In-bred or not, he would still be 50% Mother of Madness. Jamie and Cersei are the biggest Yin-Yang part of Martin's world imo and Joffrey vs Tommen in personality differences shows that incredibly I think.
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LOL, how else to respond when the guy basically calls me a racist and you say stupid shit like that? Being the child of two siblings is FUCKING HORRIBLE and no teen-ager in their right mind would have that reaction...EVER. But I guess since this is Westeros, where this shit was considered normal at one point, fuck it... And I couldn't care less that I'm on your blacklist.
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The point of Game of Thrones is that you should accept people for who they are, not for their:
- Heritage and family line (targaryens & lannisters)
- Beliefs (old god / lord of light, high septem etc)
- What they think is right and wrong (murdering a mad king while you serve him, or shoving a 'spy' off a building)
- Ways of life (Dothraki + Mereen Masters)
And i could go on and on but you clearly missed the point anyway so there's no helping you.
There are no perfect characters in Game of thrones, they all have flaws, and THAT is what makes them so great.
Especially Jaime.
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First of all, I never said I'm glad of what happened to Myrcella. I really won't mind if Duran keeps his word to her and beheads Ellaria Sand for what she did. All I said is that I can't be nearly as invested in her death as I was in Shirene's. She was off screen for more than 2 seasons, for fuck's sake, she's one of the least fleshed out and developed characters in this entire show.
Also, you are right, no one in this world is perfect (except for Eddard Stark), but there are quite a few characters that aren't total dicks, cunts, ass-holes, douche-bags, slavers, sadistic sociopaths or people who murder children, either for love(Jaime) or for power(Stannis). Characters like Tyrion Lannister, Danaerys Targaryen, Jon Snow, Sansa Stark, Arya Stark, Bran Stark, Brienne of Tarth, Podrick,
Sure, they have their own problems: Brienne is frustrated for not being seen as a beautiful maiden, Podrick's kind of a coward, Danny's a bit of an intransigent self-righteous bitch, incapable of compromise, Tyrion is a bitter, womanizing, patricidal alcoholic, Sansa's monumentally stupid, Arya is consumed by her hatred and lust for revenge, which make her not think straight, Bran's very indecisive and causes some people to die because of that, Jon is way too naive and trusting of other people(hence what happened to them). But I'll take their flaws ANY DAY, as opposed to a guy who parachutes a kid out the window or one that burns his own daughter at the stake (THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY FOR SOMEONE TO DIE), or people who buy and own OTHER PEOPLE, So fuck off, you monumental imbecile, because just like Jon, you're the one the one who knows nothing.
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Just goes to show that teenagers generally aren't very intelligent.
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"Being the child of two siblings is FUCKING HORRIBLE and no teen-ager in their right mind would have that reaction...EVER. But I guess since this is Westeros, where this shit was considered normal at one point, fuck it"
This is Earth where, it also was(in some parts it still is) normal... Also, we didn't even see her reaction, because she already knew about it and had time to think about it. You just seem to be allergic to incest and really toxic.
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Yeah, damn right I'm allergic to incest, it's fucking disgusting and against the rules of nature (seeing how nature itself punishes such unions). Also, if being opposed to incest means being toxic to you...you better go see a shrink fast, or better yet, a fucking psychiatrist :-p.
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About 7....no, the White Walkers option was not a joke. If Jon Snow is really dead, and my second favorite character, Bran doesn't have a word in all of this, then i think it would be the best if every other fucker would just die and leave room for somebody else. That would be a comforting ending. Did you watch The Cabin in the Woods by any chance?
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Everybody dying is not that big a deal, seeing how this world's such a horrible place to live in, but it's the whole zombie thing. I always thought that the reason why people loved zombies in media so much, was because they help us fulfill our dreams of extreme violence against our fellow man, when we see them die in extremely horrifying ways (decapitation, getting their heads blown off). They're so frigging perfect for this because they're basically humans, but they've lost what made them sympathetic and relatable and thus having to feel sorry for them, all the perks of executing people, without the downsides. But...I guess seeing how this is a world filled with psychopaths that do this in spades to living people without any remorse, it doesn't even matter... Well, what do you know? GoT is such a genius show it even breaks the unwritten convention of the zombie genre. BRILLIANT...simply brilliant!!!
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I think Sansa and Reek/Theon would have made the jump no matter if they would have lived or died because they both know what Ramsey is capable of.
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So...after the season finale i don't even know what to think anymore.
I honestly hope the White Walkers actually conquer the entire world and kill every single person.
My last hope stays with Bran Stark though...and i hate it that he didn't even appear in this season.
If he doesn't succeed, i root for the White Walkers.
I also would really like to see the zombie Mountain killing the High Sparrow and all those nasty people, but i still want Cersei to die a horrible death. Along with every single member of the Night's Watch. Also, i hope Sansa and Theon died from that jump...it looks like it. Sansa was always a miserable fool. She deserved it. What about Arya though? What happened to her? xD I had high expectations from her.
Oh well...this George R. R. Martin sure knows how to kill everyone's dreams...
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