Or that account information should be kept private and not shared with other people. And that while I'll gladly let my daughter play my games, I'd rather she didn't screw up my saved games.
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have you even read the complaints on this shit sharing system? You need to login to your friend's machine before you can authorize that PC to be shared with your library. SO much for you account information should be kept private when I can just plant a keylogger on my own system and let my friend login to my PC to share his library.
Also screwing up your save games is a very weak reasoning for family sharing, only useful for those lazy ppl who let someone play on their own account. If you are truly worried about your save game, you know that you need to backup it or else risk screwing it up.
If separate achievements and save games is the only good thing about this, then valve has wasted their resources making this where only a few handful of ppl will took advantage of this.
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I basically got 166 games from a friend, for free (and he got 327 games from me). Yeah..really shit feature.
Btw it's not that hard to go to your friends place and log in there once yourself, without giving him your password. Of course, if you want to share library with ppl across the world, it's not so easy. But this feature is not meant for that anyway.
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Agreed. It also makes it more difficult (although not impossible, per my post below) to share your library with untrusted strangers, which was never the intention of this feature in the first place.
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Yes it's a shit feature. Family sharing is a more restrictive offline mode. Why use family sharing in my home when they can't use it anyways when I'm in university playing.
I'd rather put my desktop on offline mode so I can "really" share my library to my family without worrying to be booted out of the game.
Also the fre games you are talking about? also doable in offline mode. Why bother to use family sharing if what it only does is to add a restriction of 1 person per library
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i fondly remember my good ol days at university. i kind of wish i was still there.
is dumbass meant to be an offense or just a touchy defensive word?
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It does. If you are in university, then study for 17 hours a day, sleep for 6 hours, and the 1 which is left use it for taking a bath, eating, drinking, etc. Not playing... You're not a kid anymore.
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"You need to login to your friend's machine before you can authorize that PC to be shared with your library."
I guess that puts a spanner in the works as far as people sharing their libraries with strangers goes, although you could conceivably change the password temporarily, log on to the other user's PC via TeamViewer, and then reset the password on your Steam account once the deed is done.
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Ah - ok. I wasn't one of those selected for the initial beta, so thanks for the info :)
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I don't know either, I'm going by this:
How do I enable Family Sharing on my computer?
Note: This feature is currently available to select BETA PARTICIPANTS ONLY. As a participant, first opt into the latest Steam Client Beta Update. Then, Family Sharing is enabled in one of two ways: You can either locally authorize a device to share via the Account tab in Settings, or respond via email to a user’s Steam request to share your previously installed games.
Last sentence says you can respond by email, but MDuh says it's not working so I don't know.
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I don't like the idea of giving people my save games :c
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Are you really bitching about the "Family Sharing Plan" restriction, or are you bitching that it isn't the "Hey I Want Friends To Share My Games" feature?
If you don't trust your family's computer don't log on there and authorize the account. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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"You need to login to your friend's machine before you can authorize that PC to be shared with your library."
What the fuck...? Really?
Well this makes steam sharing a lot more useless. I thought we just send them a steam sharing invite or something.
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Maybe you should stop watching those faggots' anime shows, and start appreciating things.
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It isn't. FAMILY sharing is about sharing your library to your FA-MI-LY. Your family lives in the same house, so it's easy to do that. Steam FAMILY sharing feature is not made so you can give your library to your FRIENDS, but to your FAMILY. And by family, I am talking about first-category family (mom, dad, siblings), no one else, not even your grandparents. They are not your family, they are just belonging to your family tree... Jeez... People really don't get what "family" actually means... but nvm
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Your point exactly? Replace Friend with Family and still same shit. My Family cannot access my library if I'm playing 1 game in my account. My SISTER using MY OWN DESKTOP CANNOT play my library on steam if I was playing something outside the house.
Hence offline mode is still better.
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You have to log in at least once with your account, on the PC you want to be sharing library on. Or alternatively, your friend uses his Steam account to log in on your PC, and requests access to library. But then he is the one "risking" his details on your keylogger-infested PC :P
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Definitely. My wife and daughter are very dangerous to my online security. Lol.
I am amazed that folks are complaining about a function specifically designated family sharing.
If you can't trust your brother, mother, wife or daughter, then man, that sucks and I feel for you. Seriously. That's a bummer.
On that note, since I'll be using mine exactly for that, where my access!? :)
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Just play a friends game while a friend is playing something from your library. Then no one will get booted :P
Seriously...is everyone playing their games 24/7?
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I do agree that this would be a nice feature in our household as well. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Reminds me of fighting over internet access in my house growing up. One modem, one computer. Lol.
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Pretty much how I feel about this. I have a large library and don't play a lot. So why not let family members try out my games when I'm not playing without having to give up my account password.
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everybody reduces this to a worse offline mode. i didn't know so many people use offline mode. you know, everybody goes for chat, achievements, stuff you don't have in offline mode. stuff that you can have in family sharing.
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i myself play and chat during the same session, maybe others do it also. i have zero interest in achievements. i'm not saying it is good or not for whatever reason; anyone is free to have his/her own idea. and to answer to your first question, oh yes i am that dumb. now one more question: are you even able to make a phrase without offending words?
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ok i see. a sincere advice from an unknown fellow: relax.
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If you don't mind, could you explain to me how offline mode works exactly and how it's better vs. family sharing? To my limited understanding, I'm assuming that with offline mode, two people can be logged into the same account, one person online, one person offline, and they can both fully access the shared library and play different games at the same times with minimal restrictions?
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You need to download all the games first on the PC that will go on offline mode in steam, then he can play everything that he downloaded WITHOUT GETTING KICKED regardless if the main PC is playing a game or not. If he wants to play something that he didn't download yet, then the main PC must go dark first while that PC must go online and download the game, after that he can just go offline mode again and play that game without restrictions.
Now you can put steam in offline mode in multiple PCs and they can any game that you downloaded independently while your main PC can go online.
This system works best in a local network since you can download the games in 1 PC then distribute it locally to other PCs.
Some real-world examples:
1) 4 players can play borderlands 2 locally just by buying it on 1 account. Ofc online features of BL2 won't work, but single player will still work.
2) 8 players can play terraria locally
3) Home PC can play shadow warrior, office PC can play terraria, tablet PC can play audiosurf, main PC which is online can play Assassin's creed 3
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Thanks, didn't know.
Since I live with people that also have 300+ games my games just doubled I guess :-D.
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offline mode excels if you are doing only for 1 account who has a large library. You still cannot play a game that you don't own on your own account even on offline mode. In your case, family sharing is better UNTIL they removed that stupid kicking limitation
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one question: imagine that you have in your family one person that has his own pc and his own steam account with a few games and then there is you with your own pc and your account with many games. let's say that you log with your account on the other pc and download let's say all your games, as described. now, when the other person connects to his account on his pc, he will see all the installed games but won't be able to run the ones not owned. what happens if he goes offline? will he have access to all games including the ones not in his account? i mean, i understand the situation you described, what i'm not sure if you mean that the offline pcs only will work with your account, being restricted to be used with other accounts as well.
one more thing: in my experience it happened to me that some of my pcs (i have many of them with steam on) are not reliable in offline mode, that is, i start steam on them without connection to internet and offline mode refuses to start, i don't know why. in others offline works fine.
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"when the other person connects to his account on his pc, he will see all the installed games but won't be able to run the ones not owned."
Yes, It will say "Purchase" Instead of "Play"
what happens if he goes offline?
Same thing as above
offline pcs only will work with your account, being restricted to be used with other accounts as well
If the other account doesn't own the game, then he can't play it. That's why you must keep steam in offline mode with my account so you can access my library. If you want to use your account instead while mine is in offline mode, you can just run sandboxie and run a separate instance of steam using your account, It works.
some of my pcs (i have many of them with steam on) are not reliable in offline mode
I really can't answer that, I haven't experience this issue.
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i see. the idea that i'm composing of this is that family sharing can be targeted to "normal" family users, and offline mode can be ok for power users (sandbox for separate steam instances is not for anyone) or families with very young kids without own steam account and not permitted to go online ever.
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So how do I report to Valve that I would never give my credentials even to my family members? This is dumb.
"Oh but that way you only share with people you trust" Well, considering there's a chance of losing the FS in case of abuse, or even ending with a VAC ban, I don't see how there isn't enough risk for sharing with people you don't trust. Plus, maybe I'm old fashioned, or maybe people trust SteamGuard too much, but I thought it was a given to "never share your password with anyone" (even people you trust).
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you don't need to share your password, all you need to do is just log in once to authorize the device. That's why it's "Family Sharing" because families live together and can authorize it in person instead of handing out info.
Sucks that you can lose FS privileges though.
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"because families live together" not always they don't
But ok, let us forget what some would judge as edge cases. "FS is designed for people who live together." So what's stopping anyone from playing one's games in one's PC? Or having one's SteamGuard authorize different PCs in the same household, so you can use your PC while your family member(s) play using your account (and vice versa)?
Considering all the limitations of FS, this doesn't make sense to me.
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Except no local co-op. And that sucks.
By local co-op I mean you're each signed into a different Steam account, playing the same game. Games like Borderlands have this. Rockband is a better example, but that isn't on Steam. Steam really shouldn't offer games with local co-op as a major feature until they can actually offer it, IMO.
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Yes, I'm talking about split-screen.
Do that many people have two fully capable gaming rigs? Because every time I talk about what I want to do, people assume there are two computers. It's just one computer, with two Windows accounts, and two Steam accounts, wanting to play one game. Even Windows XP can support multiple users. Are there really that many Steam users still using Windows 98? Not trying to blow up on you, I'm just trying to figure out where the "multiple machine" assumption is coming from because I get it a lot.
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Local coop =/= split screen. And most PC gamers doesn't want split screen, for some reason. When Portal 2 had split screen during beta-testing, PC-testers "demanded" deleting that option.
Family Sharing isn't made to allow playing to many people at same time. It's made so you can have your achievements, while your brother/sister/parent/kid can play same game 5 hours later and get his own achievements.
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Split screen doesn't make sense on a small computer monitor (up to 30" is still small when cut in half). If they want to take over the living room and the big screen, that's something Valve will have to get over. Because consoles have had it since Pong, maybe before. And that's 1972.
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Considering family isn't always trustworthy or tech savvy enough to avoid doing something stupid on their PC, might as well rename this feature to Trusty People Sharing. :p
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This. Plus it's simple AF. You just give your CLOSE friends your login, they login, authorize their PC, maybe change your pw back if you want and you're done. If you don't wanna give your login to your best friends, then there's something wrong with the friendship imo.
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If I was going to give my login to a friend they might as well just use my damn account instead. He's not going to be able to play games while I'm playing in either case anyways.
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If you want to do that though, you'd have to disable SteamGuard (or give your friend access to your email account too). That's a major security issue either way. Then there's the problem of them getting/overwriting your savegames through Steam Cloud etc. as well... and achievements of course.
By doing it through Family Sharing, none of those problems comes up.
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I can give him the steamguard code that is sent to my email. I couldn't care less for achievements and I have steamcloud manually disabled for most games.
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Just got the invite. This appeared in my account detail.
Will try it soon with my kids.
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