Hijacking the top post so that anyone stumbles upon this thread can see the other thread by another "steamworks developer" who just just registered.
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Time played: 0h 0m, but still claims the game is "not bad at all" :)
chronosaber, welcome on my BL - I think you already know Shalidor, but you should definitely meet the others.
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+1 at least he has the game on his account..but 0 hrs played.
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He playtested it for hours on end before release, you better believe he knows that it's good!
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yeah that its the sad fact 1,5 years in market and noone bought it.
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It would have been more honest saying that you are one of the developers of that game
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Yep, exactly that. The first cards are always listed crazy expensive, generally no one buys them until they get down to a reasonable level.
Learned that one the hard way once.
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NOTE that all the users that made reviews only have a few games in their accounts and all of them have a private profile. It's not suspicious at all.
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I am offended by this thread because it implies me and the rest of the community here are stupid.
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*the rest of the community here and I
Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
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It's generally considered more polite to put the other party first as you say though I'm no expert, I'm just a word nerd. As for the other part, what helped me figure out when to use me/I was the rule of removing the other party in the sentence and seeing if it still made sense. In this example:
"it implies me is stupid" vs. "it implies i am stupid"
Therefore "I" would be the correct usage in this case. Also, nice clip. ;)
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I'll defend Chibi's use of English, because there is no issue with saying this out loud... this is purely a stylistic grammar concern.
Everyone including you, tevemadar understood what Chibi was saying, therefore is a perfectly acceptable communication style.
Sorry, linguistic geek, descriptivist, not prescriptivist
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My bad, I thought you joined the conversation after I made it clear that my question was about the order ("me and others" / "others and me"). I see you have appeared earlier. At least now I have looked up what prescriptivism and descriptivism are.
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It's typically pointless to make noise to prescriptivists; typically they are positive they are correct.
But occasionally I like to defend the communicative approach/philosophy as I am an EFL teacher. And as such, learners need to be familiar with both technical grammar rules and how language is actually used, slang, incorrectly, different variations of English, etc. Look at Singlish for example, it has multiple new features that classical users of English would recognize as bad, but communicate more than standard English can.
Anyways, I'm rambling. :D
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One of my favorite one and again, when we are discussing writing in certain aspects, it's extremely important. :D
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Yeah, I understand that. I also am too lazy to create my own drawings, but I sometimes like to reference them.
Kind of like I enjoy referencing white privilege by using the article on white privilege lowest difficulty setting.
They clarify the ideas if people take the time to read them. Course if someone is close minded, it's not going to make a difference.
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Hey, it's interesting to me. I didn't know the names of the two positions until I saw this thread. (I'd thought about these issues, and even done some philosophy of language, but I didn't know that there are established, labeled camps in this debate.) You've got me doing Google research right now.
If you were going to put it briefly, how would you define both stances, descriptivism and prescriptivism?
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Descriptivists describe language. Briefly how it's used regardless of convention.
Prescriptivists prescribe language. They insist on certain grammatical rules.
Descriptivists for example would defend the right to use, "To boldly go where no man has gone before" because everyone understands it and it makes sense and we are just describing a usage of English.
Prescriptivists would say that split infinitives are bad and should not be used. This rule of not splitting infinitives comes actually from a prescriptivists point of view that we should make English classier and added the Latin rule of not splitting infinitives to English. Same goes for ending sentences with prepositions.
They typically defend stylistic concerns rather than communicative concerns. Not to say there aren't places for stylistic concerns.
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So it is defending a certain set of traditional rules, not just any rules, that is sufficient to make someone a prescriptivist?
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I'll have to contemplate this, because I feel like I could instantly say, yes, but that there is a fault in this logic somewhere. Maybe I'm overthinking it. I'll get back to you on this.
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Ah, I see. Put that way I seem clearly on the descriptivist side of things. I was unsure because I do support (and as a teacher enforce) many rules. But it tends to be on the grounds of utility. I don't care about the Latin-inspired rules like the injunctions against splitting infinitives.
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Okay, so they were able to more clearly define that for you, which is excellent.
The one thing I want to say about the Latin inspired rules, however, is learning to write in certain registers.
What we can do communicatively, we should not do for example in an academic writing register. So it's still important to know these rules, but know where it's important and where it's not important.
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Yes, I absolutely agree. And the same can be said for many stylistic and other conventions that define various academic styles. I had instructors in grad school who cared very much about such things. But, for my purposes, I'm mostly just trying to move my students towards greater clarity. (Given the levels of competence they come in with, I probably couldn't hope to do more anyhow...)
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Technically or Communicatively?
Cause, I understand you... and regardless of how much I/grammarfreaks yell and complain, other users of language will continually modify it no matter how much noise is made.
The most important point to me is I understood what you were trying to say. :)
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And what happens when that frontier is trespassed? Where is that frontier? Because that you can understand me does not mean that everybody can understand me :/ It has to be limits (for example I, as a no native English speaker, find extremely difficult understand someone with a closed accent, or even when they write with spelling and grammatical errors)
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That's the thing. Language isn't an immutable thing. It is constantly changing. And when there are problems with communicating, it's time to negotiate the language to fix it.
I get where you are coming from, and I understand your concern, and that is my conservative feeling as well, but there is nothing we can do about it. Language is a growing living thing, that grows and lives within each person who uses it.
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Well, language is strongly influenced by mass media (newspapers and TV, but also lately internet).
In my country we have a language academy (Royal Spanish Academy) that works for keeping that barrier far away, showing guidelines to follow since 1713
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Mass Media (newspapers and TV) actually tends to be a conservative force for language preservation.
The editors/writers etc, keep the language to what are considered grammatical norms.
The internet on the other hand, is seriously disrupting the norms, which imho is awesome.
The French also have something like that.
The Germans have something that defines grammatical rules, but the Germans themselves, tend to be very flexible with adding new words and don't mind English invading their language... Well at least the ones I met.
I loved learning about the verb gogglen (Definitely not standard Duden recognized, but easily understandable by most the Germans I questioned about it and they all agreed on conjugation patterns.)
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I was going for the ordering, not the I/me part. And of course I perfectly understood what Chibi was saying. I happen to be familiar with actual broken English used on some programming boards, and even those can be deciphered, despite of being just a heap of words sometimes. Languages are redundant.
Anyway, now as I saw you, finally I activated the game :-)
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Languages are fun.
My only worry is when more and more of them die, because they are so interesting. :D
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Are we going to make an angry mob? Can I be in the front? I have my own pitchfork.
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There's some very bizarre stuffs going on with this game.. When I first clicky clicked on this thread, the game had only 1 review which was from a DEv account. Now when i check, the same review is there buuuuut on a totally different steam profile.
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It's like Inception, but it's on Steam and not in your dreams.
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And all of the steam profiles of the new reviewers are set to "private" and only has a small handful of games on them (7-15). Which is not fishy at all
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I think it is a bit sad if the selling point of a game is that it has cards. How about interesting game mechanics, solid gameplay, good music, gorgeous visual fidelity or simply being fun to play? But no. It has cards. Aspect that has nothing to do with the game itself.
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Steam -- it's where people go to get free games with their cards.
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Thats true, but its also very that that a lot of pple buy games just because steam cards, and also use stupid programs that tell them that cards have dropped instead of playing the game, and enjoy it... What you mention is very sad indeed, but I think the OP tried to approach this community by pointing out the trading cards, because he thought pple here cared more about trading cards than the actual game... Maybe he thinks that pple here care about games if theyere free or has trading cards.
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or use virtual machine with another steam acc and w8 card drop (its real)
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Superb game but sadly now it's on sale with 20% off. I won't buy the game until it's at full price! LOL! I'm NOT gonna buy that shit !!!
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Was thinking the same. To try and sell the game on the fact it has "expensive"cards rather than on the merits of the game itself says a lot. Of course, we all know the cards are only truly as expensive as people are willing to pay anyway and nobody has done that yet.
He did say the game was not bad, but that was an afterthought.
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Was going to be the first post and pretty much post what everyone else was thinking, but I thought maybe I was just being paranoid.
Glad to see I wasn't. lol
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Selected reviews:
- I like this kind of games. Recommended for you, guys!
- Played all night long. Now wanna sleep. Cool game.
- I like games like this one!
- Very friendly game. Not very clever, but really fun.
...so basically, you need to pay your reviewers better so that they provide more than one or two sentences.
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Yes i am going to buy this, because of expensive cards you know...
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Yes they are expensive cards because nobody buys your game.
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Hi, guys there is new game on steam with very expensive cards! Don't be late to get and sell them!
And the game is not bad at all!
The Musketeers: Victoria's Quest:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/390940/
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