We all know Fortix is like everyone's little brother here on Steamgifts. And now.. after all these years, its finally in a Bundle.

I think Fortix should NOT be added to the bundle list.

Why you ask? The game is only a dollar ($1) anyways. Always has been. So there's no way to contrib boost (cv boost) with this game. Everyone needs to own this game, and like most games that end up in the bundle list, my fear is it will never be given away again.

Sign here:

**"Keep Fortix OFF the Bundle List!

Sincerely;
Steamgift Community"**

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Edit:
Well we just surpassed 500 comments. Alot are for and there are some against.

Keep the Tradition Alive #1 !
Keep the Tradition Alive #2 !
Keep the Tradition Alive #3 !

(if anyone else has any links buried in this topic.. Post them again so I can repost to the main thread - thanks!)

EDIT 2: May 25th/14
It has come to my attention of a rumor that "Race the Sun" is NOT going to be put on the Bundle list as it was only 90% off with the lowest tier. Yet it was in that Humble Bundle Daily

I hope this rumor is proven to be false as we all know this would do an injustice to FORTIX as FORTIX was ever in one Bundle and it was a bonus to the $1 tier. Which means, Fortix was 0% off. ZERO Percent off.

Long Live the King.

1 decade ago*

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SIGNED, Delta will be torn if you put it on the bundle list

Keep Fortix OFF the Bundle List!

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Thanks for Fortix!

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This is a sad day for SG.

SIGNED!

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Signed! The only acceptable way to get Fortix is to win it on SG, and if you win it, you must give at least one copy back to the community. Bundle list will destroy this fundamental rule of life :'(

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How will it destroy it? Putting it on the bundle list does not mean you can't give it away.

1 decade ago
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^^ This. If you give Fortix, you do not care about CV

1 decade ago
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Because many people don't like giving away bundle games, even if they have them leftover :P

1 decade ago
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Indeed, I will.

1 decade ago
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Signed too.

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Agreed!

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Agreed!

1 decade ago
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Agreed!

1 decade ago
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Already being discussed, don't worry your pretty little heads.

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:D

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2 out of 2 mods agree so far. We can listen to reason, regardless of what some may think.

1 decade ago
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Look I honestly am not that passionate about it, but please don't call this petition "reason". If you were listening to reason then you also wouldn't include several other bundled games on the list (my current go to example is skyward collapse, $5 game in a $5.80 bundle).

I know it has meme status therefore a special place in people's minds here, and if you want to exclude it based on those grounds then sure, it's not gonna hurt me any. But at least call a spade a spade.

To me, I'd think the meme would much be better served by adding to a $0 contributer value category. Such that no one ever gets value for giving it away, ensuring it's only given away for the satisfaction of it, making it the one truly pure giveaway.

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The way bundled games are handled was never really fair. The only way to make it fair would probably be to completely replace the whole system, and requests to reform the system have been turned down in the past. (I'm not trying to revive those arguments.)

In that regard, it doesn't really matter whether SteamGifts decides to arbitrarily certain games like Fortix. At least it is a $1 game.

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Your $0 contrib idea sounds perfect. I'd totally still give it away.

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BUNDLE IT. The fun part about Fortix was that it was decent and cheap and a fun thing to giveaway and win. Now that it will be totally commoditized, the fun and challenge of winning it will be gone. Time to find a new game to idolize in ridiculous fashion.

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Bundle it and I spam you. Try me.

1 decade ago
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Could you please remain civil. I understand you may be passionate about this issue, but if you find yourself making threats to people, take a minute or two to cool off first.

1 decade ago
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This is how I talk with kao. If you got any problem with that, your case will be noted, but not attended to.

1 decade ago
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:-D

1 decade ago
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I don't just mean this reply but several others. But then again, perhaps you always respond with death threats to drumoff and jatan too?

1 decade ago
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Guys watch out, we have an internet tough guy here.

1 decade ago
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Oh, c'mon ... my Miley Cyrus fan club prank didn't even work. You were already a member!

1 decade ago
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+1

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thank you! :)

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I think that, the most important reason to keep fortix off bundle list, is because it is only 1 USD.

Let's say most of the case the non bundle game giving out on steamgift, it was some where between 50-75% sale off. Which if fortix got sale off, it should be around 0.25 USD, which is still reasonable for anyone using as a normal gifting and contribution value.

a 20 USD CV coming from a steam title usually at 75% sale off. Reaching 20 USD CV using Fortix require 20 USD pure. While normal way only 75% of that ammount. Even with Fortix in a bundle, it is pretty much the same how normal steam title sale off.

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The most important reason to put it on the bundle list, is because it is in a bundle. The bundle list is flawed already as it is. Don't need to make things more complicated. I don't know why there is even a discussion.

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Okay, time to bundle Dead Island Riptide, guys. Sorry! You heard Soto928. It's in a bundle, it must be on the list. I don't know why there is even a discussion.

1 decade ago
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Don't forget to also bundle every game by Paradox - this 125$ BTA...

1 decade ago
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+1!!

1 decade ago
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now we wont know how big this petition would get cuz you already answered it at the start v__v the social experiment of fortix, has died already lol

1 decade ago
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WEEEE OOOOO WEEE OOO WEEEE

1 decade ago
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WII UU WII UU WII UU

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Well, how many games would have to end up in the bundle before the per game price made Fortix more than 90% off? It can stay off the bundled list and I think that would be completely in line with the current way of doing things.

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Then you better remove a lot of games from the list while you're at it. There are plenty of bundles that never get to that 95% cutoff point that Shobo talks about, and yet all of the IR games get added to the bundle list.

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Agreed.

1 decade ago
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I approve of the idea that at least some games be taken off the bundle list because they were not heavily discounted or it has been a long time since they were in a bundle.

1 decade ago
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+

1 decade ago
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This.

1 decade ago
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Bundle it.

1 decade ago
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Are you serious?

1 decade ago
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Yes?

1 decade ago
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If you are, then this.
If not, screw your joke. It ain't funny.

1 decade ago
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Because im not kidding.

1 decade ago
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Neither am I. Wait for me to find you.

1 decade ago
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That would be fun.

1 decade ago
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1 decade ago
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bundling a 1$ game?
yeah! good idea, it will deeply impact the already flawed CV system

/s
1 decade ago
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Why? It's still a $1 game, people already only gain a small amount of CV from it as it is

1 decade ago
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Because it is in a bundle, which is the reason for the bundle list.

1 decade ago
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Fortix is special. It shall not be in the list.

1 decade ago
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The bundle list is to prevent abuse of the cv system not just to list every game that's ever been in a bundle.

1 decade ago
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No, the reason for the bundle list is to prevent CV abuse. In this case, it's not possible to abuse it with Fortix.

1 decade ago
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Same for plenty of other bundle games. Especially if you use the logical exceptions that CHTonRage and others are using.

1 decade ago
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Actually your statement isn't correct. Technically anyone who buys that bundle even for a dollar is getting MORE than just Fortix for a dollar. So the value of Fortix is actually less. if there are 4 games at the 1 dollar level it would mean Fortix has a .25cent value. So abuse is possible, because the buyer is also getting the other games to do with as they please even if it isn't for a cv value here. Personally I don't really care if it has cv or not, but a majority of ppls value based reasoning here is very flawed.

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The point is you still can't get more than $1.19 in CV on Steamgifts from that $1 bundle if Fortix doesn't get bundled. (Unless you gave a whole lot of non-bundled stuff, but in that case any bundle would give you more anyway.)

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Yeah but if fortix went on sale for 90% off (10 cents) it would not be bundled.

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You could use the same argument for most bundled games though. For example, in the current bundle: if you just leave Towers Wars unbundled, it would only be 87.5% off, which would not be on the bundle list if sold at that price in the Steam store.

1 decade ago
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Agreed!

1 decade ago
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A sad day for SteamGifts.

I wonder if the devs realize they will probably make less in the long run with this move? :P

1 decade ago
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If you were already selling your game for $1, I don't think you were trying to come up with the most profitable marketing plan for your game.

1 decade ago
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Right, they were totally trying to just get exposure.

1 decade ago
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OMG you guys, Fortix 3 confirmed!!!!11

1 decade ago
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Don't do those hit and run links please.

1 decade ago
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Sorry bunny. I only posted it in your chat (cause I know lot of members use SG) and Sgifts chat. I should of stuck around to chat (or take the flack if it was a no no)

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Not a biggy, just the 'hit and run' aspect of it gets to me since I deal with that often. :P

For the topic...it's sad that SG has come down to being about CV. Fortix has a special place in the history, but all people are concerned about is with whether or not people can get a few extra pennies credit. Oh my, $0.50 closer to that $1,000,000 contributor giveaway for Skyrim. How ever could such abuse be tolerated? >_>

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I also think so too. It's all up to the staff now.

1 decade ago
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And staff very likely will broke their own rules.

1 decade ago
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While I can argue your point, you'll most likely not listen to reason.

1 decade ago
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Reason? its all about following rules or "fuck rules"

1 decade ago
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Staff never break their own rules. So please do stop ranting about staff breaking rules.

1 decade ago
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Because people in power never break their own rules.

1 decade ago
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Yeah because everything in the world is black and white.

1 decade ago
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Agree :D

1 decade ago
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⎝~̴̴̡͐ ͒!̴̢ ̷⎠

my avatar signed it

1 decade ago
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You have to bundle it... otherwise you completely ruin the bundle list even further. What's the point if you can just vote to keep games off the list? In that case, I vote for most of the BTA and Indie Royale games to be removed.

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Uhhh, shouldn't you be giving away games from the goodness of your heart rather than for CV?

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Unfortunately, most games in bundles aren't bought when they don't have sales and are on the bundle list. So screw people not being able to get Fortix just cause it's been bundled, is that what you're trying to do?

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Honestly who is going to moan over $1 of missed CV. Seriously, people don't give away Fortix just for $1 CV....

1 decade ago
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Delta is. If you see his giveaways, Fortix is on there and quite a bunch. Kill that and you kill most of the future for Fortix ever being gifted out.

1 decade ago
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Well blame the devs for putting it in a bundle.

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Blaming the devs does nothing. The damage has been done after all.
The only thing to do now is keep it off the list.

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If you leave this off the bundle list, you have to remove a lot of other games as well. Just because Fortix is something special to the steamgifts community does not mean that it is exempt from the rules.

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For some people in community, but not whole community.

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You're the only exception, cause you ain't part of the community.

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Lol'd

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"Just because Fortix is something special..."; It is not just something special, it IS the only special game that all have come to love.
Unless it's off the list, no one would give it away probably.

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Perhaps Delta and other people should give away gifts out of the goodness of their hearts instead of for CV.

1 decade ago
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Want to be the one paying for the gifts then? If you are all talk, please do keep quiet about this and let it go off the list.

1 decade ago
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What? Seriously, you have no argument for keeping it off the list other than "it's special". That's not a good reason.

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I got a few arguments, but I've been keeping them stored. You forced me to bring them out.

  1. It's the only special game.(As stated already)
  2. The game in question is $1 and has never went on a sale from what I've seen.
  3. People hardly give stuff from the list.
  4. The tradition is that one must win it to own it, and not buy it for themselves.
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  1. Special? is this game name written in bible?
  2. Cant be counted as argument.
  3. No shit sherlock. But as i can see random people very rare giveaway this game, small part of community is giving this away regularly, so nothing changes if fortix being bundled.
  4. Cant be count as argument.
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  1. It's the one and only staple of SG. Nothing else is a staple.
  2. Why can't it? You're paying about the same amount as you would with the bundle except the bundle would just come with some "freebies".
  3. This already rare game would be given less if it's bundled. So no list for it.
  4. How is it not an argument? I designed my points so they work with each other.
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  1. I think you're forgetting Skyrim
  2. Same can be said for many other games. Skyward Collapse - you're paying more for the bundle than that game is worth, except you just get some freebies with it.
  3. already rare game. You're kidding me, right?
  4. Should be included in #1 on the list, not as a separate item.
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  1. Skyrim? It's not a staple.
  2. Not the case I'm afraid.
  3. I say it's rare cause alot of people do not have it. And yeah, I'm kidding... NOT!
  4. I know I should have done so, just forgot to.
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Skyrim isn't a commonly given away on SG but "Thanks for Skyrim" is a running gag on the forum and giveaways; Bad Rats and Secrets are also claimed to be the essential giveaways to win but rarely do you see giveaways for those two games. Fortix is the only game I used to regularly see being given away. People would make a fuss over winning it, usually by creating a new thread on this forum stating that they won a copy and by giving away a copy of Fortix themselves to continue this "tradition".

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Sorry, I disagree. Part of the specialness was that it was actually something fun to win. If it's flooded into Steamgifts, it's no longer special.

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Pretty sure jatan let their wallet do the talking with over $3k in contributor value, so yeah they are the one paying for the gifts.

1 decade ago
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well theres badrats....but thats "special" not special. its more an ironic love because its too bad to be so bad its good

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Fortix is a special case because its cheaper than 99% of other bundle games and indeed cheaper than the bundle itself.

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Beat Hazard – iTunes & m4a file support is cheaper than 99% of other bundle games and indeed cheaper than the bundle it was in itself.

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We know the bundle list is flawed that's why we want to fix one of those flaws. Maybe they'll remove that from the list too, however that costs $1 not 99 cents so if the bundle was $1 then it wasn't cheaper =p

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lol, it is indeed $1

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Fortix was the game I won for the first time,so screw you.

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Yes 100% agree.
However.. most people select their games based on CV. And Fortix normally is a good choice for those without alot of $$ but still want to giveback ..
My fear is once its on BL, that trend will stop for this game. As it has with so many before it.

But I do agree with you about the Indieroyales.

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There are plenty of other choices for $1 or less to giveaway.

I admit that they are all DLC :P

1 decade ago
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Yes I agree. But Fortix has been adopted by many as a Staple for Steamgifts. Unofficially of course.

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Why did that event became so huge? Because:
1) It was somewhat a tradition here in SG
2) The community trusted the devs that it won't be bundled
3) It was cheap and it was not bundled

Next event won't see that amount of giveaways if this was indeed bundled

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1) It's in a bundle
2) The bundle is over 95% off.
3) The bundle is exploitable if not on the bundle list.

4) The three points above are the exact rules for adding something to the bundle list. It satisfies all three rules, no exceptions.

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Let's take this in a different perspective.
Fortix is 1$ SRP, 1$ bundle will net you maximum 33$CV if you have 166$ unbundled CV in the future (in which you need to spend 503% or 5x the intented CV to squeeze all value on it)
Now, fortix is just 1$ out of 166$, a measly 0.6% of the possible maximum CV you will gain in that 1$ bundle, How is that abuseable?

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You know your argument applies to a lot of other games too, right?

Let's take this in a different perspective.
McPixel is 3$ SRP, ~5$ bundle will net you maximum 80$CV if you have 400$ unbundled CV in the future (in which you need to spend 500% to squeeze all the CV on it.)
Now, McPixel is just 3$ out of 400$, a measly 0.75% of the possible maximum CV you will gain in that 5$ bundle, How is that abuseable?

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Well sadly that's why bundle list is dumb. Small games get trampled, a game that is being given away for so low is given a 2nd restriction so people are discouraged to give it away.

You are right with your analogy, but again, fortix was a special case in which it has been a tradition here plus the giveaway events that came with it and hidden/forum giveaways.

Bundle it and your pretty much killing it

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Even better one:

Beat Hazard – iTunes & m4a file support is 1$ SRP, 1$ bundle will net you maximum 69$CV if you have 345$ unbundled CV in the future (in which you need to spend 500% to squeeze all the CV on it.)
Now, the DLC is just 1$ out of 345$, a measly 0.3% of the possible maximum CV you will gain in that 1$ bundle, How is that abuseable?

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But to get a copy of Fortix from the Groupees bundle, you have to spend at least $1. To get Fortix legitimately, you have to spend $1. I would argue that that doesn't make it exploitable.

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Looks solid.

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its a $1 game that you got on a $1 bundle

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So? It's in a bundle. Example of other games on the bundle list that weren't heavily discounted:
Indie Games Pack - Summer Six. Two Steam games (Aztaka and Bob Came in Pieces) for $10 ($20 CV)
Indie Royale Alpha Collection #1. $5 for Towns ($15 CV)

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i agree with you with Towns but aztaka was in a indie Game Stand and Bob* i dont have tracked sales so i can't really comment about it

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I believe Summer Six was the first time those games were in bundles. And they have been on the bundle list since then.

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i got two copies of aztaka and neither one was from IR

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Summer Six isn't IR

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yeah my bad. But still Aztaka have been bundled a couple of times (even for $1 in a IGS) but anyway i agree with you that a few games should be taken off the list

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I didn't know towns was bundled, I guess that explains why I never saw any giveaways for it =/
It should be removed from the bundle list for sure.

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skyward collapse $5 BTA game in a $5.80 bundle.

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Bundle it and you die. I'll make sure you bleed all your money just to make sure everyone wins Fortix.

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I agree but 'the system' as it is has already caved and waffled on various issues (even about non-CV stuff, e.g. allowing minecraft), I anticipate this being just another one of those times, the mob will get what the mob wants.

If it were any other $1 game the exception wouldn't be made, it's just because of the meme status of the game. And as we all know memes trump all logic, morals, and principles.

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There are no other $1 game... and the whole point of the bundle list is to prevent CV abuse. In this case it's not possible to abuse it since the most you can make out of it is $1.19. ($.99 for Fortix, and $.20 for the rest)

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The whole point of the bundle list is to prevent CV abuse. In the case of Skyward Collapse it's not possible to abuse it since the most you can make out of it is $6. ($5 for Fortix, and $1 for the rest). The bundle costs $6.

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I never said Skyward Collapse should not be reconsidered to be taken off the bundle list, as well as a few other high BTA game, but the case at hand is about Fortix.

It's time to create a precedent upon which we can petition for the same treatment to be applied to some other games in a similar situation.

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What about:
1) Skyward Collapse $5 for $5.80 Humble Bundle BTA, so most you can make is $6
2) DLC Quest $3, minimum $4 for Indie Royale, most you can make is $3.60 (actually less than the bundle price)

All I'm really looking for is that people be honest with themselves. You care because it's Fortix, not because of some ideals about preventing CV abuse (unless you've stood up for those games before, if so, sorry, carry on then).

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I do care a bit more because it's Fortix and because of the special place it has among SG users.

That being said, I'm also in favor of a revisiting of the bundle list so that games in a similar situation be taken off, as well as putting an expiration date on some of the oldest bundles. If people really sat on their bundle keys for a year or two, I'd say let them have some CV.

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throwing my vote with jatan here. consistency matters.

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+1

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Agreed. Bundle it...or revisit past inconsistencies as well.

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Agreed. The rule is the rule, even if it's stupid and Fortix has no arguments to be any exception.

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Agreed. Why should other games that don't give a large amount of CV be bundled when Fortix isn't? Just because someone likes to go "hurr Fortix awesome cause its $1 lol" and give away a few dozen copies, it doesn't mean it deserves to be exempt from the bundling rule. I can think of a dozen games that shouldn't really be bundled.

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Well, the thing is that Fortix can't be used to boost CV too much (which is the whole point of the bundle list), so I think keeping it off from bundle for sake of tradition isn't to big of a deal.

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signed (?)

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also this thread make me realize that the bundle list should be reworked since a few games weren't even with a massive discount or the bundle is old enough to not being abused and we dont see much GA for those For example Towns or Lugaru

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We musn't allow Fortix to fall victim to the bundle!

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I say we bundle it.
What will be stopping me from buying 50 bundles and getting the contributor value?

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that you have to pay $50 to get $50 CV plus 20% of other stuff = $60 from $50

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Which is too damn much if you ask me.

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Are you kidding? It's not even as much as a 20% discount on Steam sale would give you.

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You have to pay 1 dollar for the key from the bundle. The game itself costs 1 dollar anyway, always has. You are still paying full price in a way. :p

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Which is precisely why it needs to be stopped.

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And if it's stopped, there will be no more future for Fortix. I refuse to let it go on the list cause that's like a death warrant.

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not sure fortix would really get any hit at all to its gifting it it were bundled. people don't even give that one for the cv. making it special zero cv wouldn't even kill it. but it should stay off anyway because fortix

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Are you trolling? If you are, it's a bad attempt.

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Joking =/= Trolling

Stop visiting 9gag and you'll find out the difference.

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I considered it a troll cause it is not a joke, considering this is a serious discussion.

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If it was a "serious" discussion you wouldn't even use the word "trolling". Also, joking, in reasonable amounts, is welcome in "serious" discussions.

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Unfortunately, joking in here causes tension. So joking about this matter is not welcome.

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Says who? I liked his joke. It was also pretty obvious. And how come Fortix is a serious matter?

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Cause it's the one and only staple of SG. Also, there's a group for those that 100%ed the game and I believe SFK and someone else whose name I forgot fought for #1 on the leaderboard.

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And this makes it important for sg because?

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Because every new member must have the staple. Also, the other two are just there to prove it's a serious business.

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I am a new member (for a while now) and I don't have it? something must be wrong with the staple then...

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"I considered it a troll cause it is not a joke"
How are you going to tell me that what I said is not a joke?

"this is a serious discussion."
What? People joke around in serious discussions all the time.
Are people who make jokes about DRM now trolls?

Also you're the only one in this thread taking this discussion far too seriously. You replied to almost every post and when someone disagrees with your opinion you go "NO NO IT CAN'T BE BUNDLE THIS GAME IS SACRED TO SG! YOU JUST CAN'T".

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I given other reasons for some that require it. However, my point is Fortix should not go on the list to prevent the number of giveaways for it decreasing.

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All bundle games should not go on the bundle list to prevent the number of giveaways for those games decreasing.

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While I know that people would like that, the game values in those are way higher than Fortix. Also, it's not like as if we need people to explicitly win those.

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Agreed!

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I understand what you're saying but we have to be fair to all the other games too.
But Fortix, why arth thou in a bundle. Have you not stave off being in sale for a long time?
Was all that journey for naught but this moment when someone can acquire you for $1 with some more games.
I refuse to believe this to be so but alas the proof is in front of me.
So... today is the day Fortix is bundled and with it, it's contribution value.
But fret not, for the Fortix will flow and flow more shall it do so because of this.
Now more than ever, people know the joy of winning it.
So let be bundled because those who give Fortix care not for the contribution value but for the joy of others.
But seriously, no one in their right mind will think about boosting their CV with Fortix since it's never on sale and is only $1 so it's no real lost if it's in the bundle catorgory.
ps i have no idea what i'm saying in the beginning.

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Aye, fortix wilt dos nevereth die. IT shalt continueth on as it always hath, but only ifeth it stayseth off of thou bundle listeth. Or it is a sinisiter plot, thou frometh the makers of Fortix. They hopeth to maketh a new game for $1 that people will flocketh to buy.

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too many eths

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You don't know you medieval well enough. It was just a strange coalition of words that require many eths.

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lol, best post of the thread.

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Your words will probably lead to a future without Fortix, and I can't accept that.

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+fortix

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I won't cry, cause you'll be the one paying for all the Fortix along with jatan11t.

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+Fortix

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YES

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There has be a smart list though. Fortix goes for a dollar and the bundle price is a dollar...doesn't make sense hence sometimes not all games not need to be in a bundle list.

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So, OP, you r saying there is no way to boost cv, then why would you care bundle it or not?

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Because - when games end up on the bundle list, the gift giving frequency tends to cease. Alot of people don't want to see that to happen.

Its ok to disagree, specially if you don't like the game. :D

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Really? you just noticed? (sorry if sounds insulting or w/e)
Id like to see many other games non-bundled, but since they are bundled, same must be done woth fortix.

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But the point of the bundle list is to prevent CV abuse, which cannot be done in this case.

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because most bundled games doesn't appear in GA after the bundles and also because is Fortix

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THE EMBLEM OF SG SHALL NOT BE BUNDLED

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ALONG WITH SKYRIM

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IF IT EVER GETS TO THAT POINT

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Huh? emblem? no.

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It is a staple, thus it can be an emblem.

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It's an inside joke among forum users. The majority of sg users don't even look at the forums..

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Logically then we should also make sure that Skyward Collapse stays off the bundle list, right everyone?

Edit: to be a bit less snarky.

To wit my point is, if your argument is that we should take it off because people can't abuse it, logically you should also make the same request for several other bundled games, such as Skyward Collapse. If however, your argument is that it is a special meme and injoke, then my arguing from logic doesn't matter, as that is an appeal to emotion and appeal to tradition (both logical fallacies might I pedantically add, but irrelevant in this context).

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What's the point of keeping Skyward Collapse off the list? Fortix is THE staple of SG and I will not have it on the list.

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but it's never on sale so it's not like anyone ever is buying it to boost their contrib value anyways, so I fail to see how it being in the bundle list can possibly affect the frequency of the giveaways of it.

If anything I petition to put it in a special category that gives exactly $0 contrib value for it, as a way to officially recognize it. Wouldn't that actually be a better tribute as it elevates it into some special status for you?

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No one buys it to boost their value, but probably no one will give it if it's on the list. Keeping it off the list will ensure that it can always be given away freely so as to keep the staple alive.

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No one buys it to boost their value...

From above

Delta is.

I see a contradiction.

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If Delta is, then how much has he paid to get the exact value of CV?

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I fail to see your logic. By all accounts your statements mean that it can go into a bundle without being affected.
Your argument this:
1) A bundle game is put on the list so people don't abuse for value boosting
2) This makes it unattractive so people don't give it away
However:
3) No one was giving fortix away to boost their value (your own words)
Therefore I posit:
Being on the bundle list will not cause it to be given away less because 3 negates 2.

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3 also negates 1 cause Fortix can't be abused for value boosting, thus why have it on the list?

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because the default is to put bundle games on the list. Therefore you, as the advocate for change, have the prima facie burden of proof to warrant the exception. Your argument was that it would be given away less if on the list. I have presented a counterargument that giveaways should not decrease significantly. You appear to not have an issue with it. Thus the argument for the status quo should remain prevalent until such time as you can mount another argument. /debate class

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I have only countered your idea of why it should be on the list.
As for why it would be given away less if on the list, checking stuff like Fortix 2, which was bundled, proves my argument.

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It should be on the list beacuse it's in a bundle, like other games?
Also how does this prove your point? I'm seeing a fair number of giveaways even after it was first bundled. If anything giveaways didn't start until then (Feb 2012).

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Cause it was too expensive then, considering it's a 2nd Fortix. And there's hardly any giveaways of it currently, which proves my point.

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nah, fortix 2 has only reflected glory. it sees brief surges when people remember it or grow tired of fortix(blasphemy) or feel too many already have fortix1 but they still want to gift a fortix

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This remember me that i have to finish Ace Attorney XD

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You do know that Fortix 2 was given out a lot more after it was bundled than before, right?

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you do know that's the nature of being included in the bundle list right? a sudden surge of giveaways and then dies slowly until it shows in another bundle again

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Did you look at the stats page? Bundled on Feb 4, 2012. There's been a VERY steady stream of Fortix 2 being given away since, even when it was still $10 in store.

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Yes, that's because many people end up getting the bundle game who don't necessarily want it (because they wanted the other bundle games) so give it away. It's a function of excess supply that gets consumed. And all this happens despite being on the bundle list. What leads to believe Fortix would have any different arc if it was on or off the bundle list?

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It used to have a hefty price tag on it. Now that the value of that dropped, it has potential to go even higher if the bundle status is removed.

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It used to have a hefty price tag yet it was still being given away in droves long after the bundle

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Stop using such word in internet. It scares me.

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Considering the OP's comment/thread is a preemptive action and the keys for Fortix [in the bundle] haven't been given out yet.
Your comment is negated due to not bothering to even look at the giveaway and ASSuming people weren't giving Fortix away.

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exactly why it being on the bundle list or not won't affect the giveaways for it. Thus no need for a special exemption.

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It's not really a strong opinion. The only issue I actually care about is that you appear to logically contradict yourself.

If you don't want it on the bundled list beacuse it is special and fun then sure, that's great. Far be it from me to rain on your parade. But if you're arguing that it needs to stay off or you won't give it away, I think your spirit of altruism points to exactly the opposite, that Fortix being bundled won't matter because of people like you.

But either way thanks for being one of those people who do make game giveaways.

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