Hmm, I should have maybe put in a budget, but oh well. I would get a GTX 760 or 780, but at the moment, I'm a poor man, so all I can afford is a 650 or 660 card. :(
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Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not saying it's better because it's a higher number... I'm saying that it's a higher number because it's better. That's the way both nvidia and amd name their cards. GT 640 < GTX 650 < GTX 650 Ti < GTX 660 < GTX 660 Ti etc. This obviously does not apply to the first number, which is simply the series, for example GTX 760 will not be better than GTX 690.
It is slightly more complicated for AMD, as they have / used to have four numbers. Their new line of cards (R7 and R9) are a bit more similar to nvidia's naming however (e.g. R9 270 < R9 280 etc.)
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Nvidia too used to have 4 numbers, and I am more than aware of the original idea of naming, the first number is the series, the second is the "chip quality", but as stated before the 650 TI is not the 650 and argumentating that the 660 is better, because it has a 60 and not a 50 is not smart at all.
The TI gives enough doubt that testing the cards is necessary to decide which one is better.
Obviously, if there would be 5000 FPS between 50 and 60 then yes, probably the 650 TI would be worse, but we are talking about around 20 % performance, the TI version could be enhancing it enough to surpass the 660.
Regardless, just because the second numbers differ, the chip might be the same.
The 680 and 770 both use the GK 104, yet the 770 is better even though the Kernel architecture is the same.
Checking on benchmarks I have found that the 660 is indeed the better card, running crysis on ultra with 30 % better results, generally saying that the second number dictates the performance is not a valid point of argumentation.
I am sure it would be possible to make a 770 better than a 780, if you use water cooling and superclock the 770 way beyond human limits, and leave the 780 at reference.
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Oh boy. I am not really interested in starting another never-ending arguement, so I'll try to explain very briefly what is wrong with your post.
I do agree that it as a perfectly valid question, as to whether 650 Ti is better than 660, however every single time, the higher the second number (in the same series), the more powerful the card (keep in mind 660 also has a Ti version, therefore the 650 Ti was named 650 for a reason, it's an improvement over 650, yet worse than a 660).
I clearly stated in my previous post that it DOES NOT APPLY to the first number, which is simply the series... You can only use this naming model to compare cards of the same series, as the OP was doing.
I am not talking about the fact that you can enhance your card via overclocking or custom cooling solutions... I am saying that when comparing two off-the-shelf cards, preferably by the same brand (e.g. 650 EVGA can be better than some 650 Ti Sparkle, don't quote me on that, just an example), the one with the higher middle number will be better.
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Despite all the features, they have 1 similarity. Both are not affordable for me :/
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Chip.de says the 760 is around 4/100 score points better than the 660 TI, the 650 TI seems to be better performance/price wise, compared to the 660.
have a german list.
"Gesamtwertung" means overall score
"Preis-Leistung" means how well the card performs in relation to the price it costs. A higher value means you get more for your money.
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I have a 660 and i haven't found a game yet that won't run on high/ultra.
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I'm a noob, but what does Ti and even overclocked mean in graphic cards?
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A Ti card is a more powerful version of that card, and in some cases, is actually closer to the next number up than the card itself. In other words, the 660 Ti is right between the 670 and the 660. In the case of the 650, the 650 Ti is about 30% more powerful than the 650, and the 650 Ti Boost is about 30% faster than the 660 Ti (and yes, the 650 Ti Boost is twice as powerful as the 650).
Overclocking is increasing a card's clock speeds, so that it can get more work done in a given amount of time than it could at the stock speeds.
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You can't really expect to get professional or actually good advice here at steamgames, right?
Get your ass to the Forum of TomsHardware, Overclockers.co.uk or whatever other good sites there are and spill some details about your system. Like which power supply, cpu, monitor resolution do you have, what can you spend, etc.
Plus, which card is the most interesting depends on your region, given the varying prices. Might be a HD7950, HD7970, GTX670, GTX660Ti - those are all great cards and you can usually pick them up real cheap. There's the best Price/Perf - Ratio.
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I don't think he would have much "professional" help from users at Tom's hardware. Half of the replies I've seen there where from biased fanboys toward nvidia/amd but their "best card for X month" are of great help. The 7950 might have a lot of memory bandwidth but it has quite a bad reputation for overheating. If you know a place where they sell GTX670 "real cheap" let me know cause I'd never seen any!
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My experience with ATI is that the reference models have terrible, terrible cooling solutions and will leave you at temperatures in idle that GTX cards wouldn't reach under pressure.
My 5970 fried a while ago and I have a gtx 770 now, which costs less, runs WAY better (Obviously because the 5000 series are outdated) and WAY cooler and WAY more silent.
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I don't know about Tom's Hardware, I was just naming not entirely awful sites. I'm from Germany, so recommending international or english speaking forums to users might not be my specialty.
As for the GTX670, I only have an overview of German prices (but I assumed they're similar globally) and you can pick some up for 220€ here. Which makes the GTX670 interesting, placing it between the slightly slower HD7950 (170€) and the slightly faster Hd7970 (240€)
The HD7950 overheats? The model's I've seen run chilly and smoothly with great overclocking potential. Apart from the XFX-Model (Double Dissipation) which is total crap of course, but the Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and Powercolor Designs are all just fine!
Secondly NOBODY buys a reference cooler - they're all loud, hot and useless. You buy stock to either chance the cooler yourself to air or water - or to complain about it later that it was soooo loud and hot. (big surprise)
As for the HD5970 - OF COURSE it ran hot. That thing was a DUAL GPU card with 450 Watts of power cunsumption - try cooling that, it's not an easy task! Have you ever tried a GTX590 in comparison? Would have been as loud and as hot. Your GTX770 on the other hand is a single GPU which consumes half the power of a HD5970. I really wonder, why it's cooler... PLus there might be the chance you didn't buy a reference model this time.
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I am looking at getting either 1 of these graphic cards for now.
I am curious at to which 1 would run better. I have heard a few complaints about both, so I'm not really sure which 1 I should go with.
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