Another sales user here. Why must you keep taking away every good thing about this site?
Yeah, giveaways are great, I know that's the main focus. But..
A lot of people do trades. A lot. Now we have to be on 2 different sites to check our messages/replies/blah blah. Pain in the ass. You know damn well people using trades are still entering random giveaways. If only x% used it, having kept it all intact wouldn't have effected the rest of the x% at all.
Now, the sales page is gone. It was so VERY super helpful to know what's on sale at any random time somebody had some money burning in their pocket, or just wanted to browse to see what's there without having to go through steams convoluted interface, especially when you aren't looking for anything particular. Or, if you want to see what the most heavily discounted things are.
What's next, you're going to pull the forums and have steamforums.com? C'mon. All that extra functionality is what made this site king to begin with.
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I understand his reasoning for splitting the trade to another site, having previously read it. It still doesn't make it any less of a weak argument. Simplicity is bad, and quite often makes things more complicated than they have to be or previously were. I am not a fan of the one button mouse. My desktop computer is not a touch screen tablet. Are you fine with a bread sandwich? I am not.
It's trading reputation already counted for plenty, far more than someone writing some bogus +rep on someones steam profile page.
As for sales, you're trying to tell me you don't like to know when something is on sale? Where you can see it at what is probably the main steam related site you visit that isn't steam? If not you, then many others? Sure, you could use enhanced steam or whatever else is your fancy...but, not everybody desires to put an ass ton of random scripts and addons into their browsers. Who said anything about fixing or improving, it was fine as it was.
Sure, sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but never when it comes to a taking away a large part of user functionality. And before you even try to bring up the "users will get scammed less easily"..exactly how hard was it to click on a persons name and click that little visit steam profile button to ensure that's who they were talking to?
I really don't care that trades are split, what I do care about is that I'm no longer able to read my random trade messages when browsing sg. Trades, for those who don't do it, is often like playing a lightning round. If you don't get back to someone within an hour or two, even less, whatever you were offered is likely gone. Not being able to see those messages in a timely manner anymore makes that worse.
I fail to see under any circumstance how having a trade section for those that use it negatively effects those that don't. Except of course, that it would encourage them to try to do something they haven't yet. One extra button, one extra link? Yep, so negative. That same button is still there, for now anyway. Once it goes away randomly, newcomers won't even know there was any sort of trade section at all and be fully ignorant to it.
Besides, If he is the only dev, isn't it even worse and more work to have to maintain and develop a 2nd site instead of just one? Once again, simplicity makes things more complicated than they need to be.
As I said last time, this site was king because of all it had to offer people. Now, it's just going to be a shell of what it was. The one button mouse. Why make people go to other sites to find information and services you used to provide, when it should be your traffic? Why be less when it can be more?
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1- Enhanced Steam doesn't really count since it basically fetches ITAD's data, so I don't consider it a separate sales site/app/addon.
Well, it is.
2- Gmail and Youtube are both Google products, yet you can't check your e-mail from Youtube
They have nothing to do with eachother, other than Google eventually bought Youtube. Both the giveaways and the trades are for Steam keys and games.
3- And if you are really that desperate you could write a script/program (or pay/ask some developer to do it) so that it checks your ST notifications every few minutes and notifies you. It shouldn't be too hard either, I'm thinking it should take about 50 lines of code at most.
More unnecessary complication in the name of simplification.
4- Well, every week we get the usual "I WAS SCAMMED REPORT PLS" thread here on the Discussions subsection, it affects negatively on the users' experience, especially after seeing those threads pop up all the freaking time and OP always breaking the calling out rule.
People should be allowed to be called out for bogus behavior, a three day suspension is nothing. Though, this website has absolutely no hand in securing/guaranteeing trades go well. That is all on the people who trade, the site owners are merely generous enough to provide a place for such activity and have my thanks for that.
4- Too much to copy. So, I'm just gonna talk about monoliths.
Walmart and Amazon. They didn't get where they are by selling just one item. This is a website though, but the same principal applies. If you don't set out to be the undisputed king of the hill on what it is you offer or do, you're doing it wrong.
The one simple fix SG could do to ST is give us our messages back on SG, then nobody would complain about it being two sites.
I am not a yes man, staring blindly into the dark hoping things get better. I chose to voice my opinion. I know it won't matter, and will fall on deaf ears..but, whatever. I'm not going to bother to argue this, because it doesn't make a difference at the end of the day and the site owners will do as they will. I just simply don't give my thumbs up to the direction it's heading.
You say you're a dev, so that would make you a creator...I'm the other guy, I'm the maintenance guy. I'm a site administrator for a large hobby forum somewhere on the net with about 50,000 members and blah blah. So many forums and sub forums it would probably make somebody wanna throw up. Manufacturers, vendors, second hand market, general chatter, ect. However, we run a staff of approximately two dozen people to keep that machine oiled and running well. I'm actually the contact for the 2nd hand buy/sell section, in addition to my other duties, so don't even get me started on how many times you've had to see "I WAS SCAMMED REPORT PLS" compared to how many times I've personally had to deal with such. Makes you wanna shoot yourself.
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It's not quite a million, but I'll say okay. 10% of a million is 100,000 people. That is about the same amount of people or more in 36 countries. Some very well known ones. Lot of people. You would need six Madison Square Gardens to hold that many people. Not a small minority.
Still bringing the youtube.. gmail and youtube offer nothing of the same type of any relation, still can't understand your argument of why you would expect to check your email on youtube. Can barely understand why people sit and watch youtube all that much to begin with, honestly.
Walmart just recently started selling groceries in the last x years, but you say you're not american... So, okay. They are pretty much an everything store, most of them open 24 hours. Fishing tackle, chocolate milk, bras, dog treats, and pogo sticks. Quite the magical date night, I know.
Amazon, on the other hand, just very recently bought twitch. There is no same reason, it's a still quite new acquisition. Besides, it has nothing to do at all with what amazon does. Twitch, being a live stream youtubeish thing centered on gamers. The only reason they picked it up is to increase their holdings, and flex their brand muscle. Audible, on the other hand..Amazon bought them 8 years ago. They make it very clearly it is owned by Amazon, with links back to Amazon, and you can sign in with your Amazon account. Amazon itself on the other hand, also and already sold music, movie, and ebook digital downloads prior to its acquiring Audible, which only sells digital audio books, and is keeping it as its niche market to keep selling the library it purchased from them and what else it adds to said library.
I don't even know why you're up in my face about my dare to voice my displeasure anyway...something tells me you just like to poke the bear.
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I do not see any functionality on the other site for quickly showing and sorting the deals on my Wishlist. Only SteamGifts/Sales/Recommended DID it.
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This is really disappointing. This was my go-to site for steam sales. Oh well, I guess.
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And to say that I returned here after several months just for that. Too bad, I really think you had the clearest and most helpful sales tracker section.
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Inb4 he comes with
'' Hey SG, since we get 0.2% traffic on steamtrades , it's pretty clear our users come here for giveaways and that's what we do best. '' BAM, WHAM, steamtrades gone
haha jk.
Well, tbh there are sites that are pretty good at tracking sales with email notification such as itad itself so yeah, redirecting all the traffic toward the main section of the site, that is the giveaway part is understandable.
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question is, is that 2% of ACTIVE users or 2% of total users. now i dont know how many are active vs inactive but im going to assume HALF or more of the total registered users is inactive. now if were talking about this active user pool how many of them are lvl 0-1 vs 2+. then from those numbers id want to know how many of them were part of the 2%. because if the 2% was made up of hardcore users vs inactives/lvl 0-1 then the actual % is much higher. i wouldnt expect the low lvls to know of such a thing.
well thats just the math/statistics nerd in me wondering stuff and things, percentages can be quite misleading sometimes ^^
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Hi SG, I've been debating about the removal of our sales section for quite some time. It had a place in my heart since it was related to the first Steam project I worked on, but our focus has been on giveaways for the past 5 years. During that time a number of alternatives dedicated to tracking Steam sales have started up, and I think they do a great job at filling that niche. Last month the sales section was used by only 2% of our users, and it consisted of 0.2% of our total traffic. It's clear our users are here for giveaways, and I agree with them, it's what we do best. I'd like to see our community continue to grow in the coming year (we're approaching a million users!), and I think keeping our focus and resources on giveaways is the best way to achieve that goal.
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