October 2025 Choice (#71)


Previous bundle: September 2025
View this bundle on: ITAD - Barter.vg


๐Ÿ“… Important dates

  • ๐Ÿ’ณ 28th October 2025: AUTOCHARGE DATE (for subscribers only)**

  • ๐Ÿ“† 4th November 2025: Next Choice Bundle release date (first Tuesday of every month)


โš ๏ธ Region lock โš ๏ธ

The ever Awesome Lilly, has details here


NOTES

KEY EXPIRY

All games Must be redeemed by November 4th, 2026 by 10:00 AM Pacific Time.

  • Included is the usual IGN+ month subscription (for new joiners) (Please hold your enthusiasm)

Also included are coupons for:

  • 60% off Rune Factory 3 Special
  • 60% off Rune Factory 3 Special DDX
  • 70% off Rune Factory 4 Special
  • 75% off Deamon X Machina
  • 80% off Daemon X Machina Complete DLC Bundle
  • 50% off Sakuna: Of rice and Ruin
  • 30% off Atomic Heart - Atomic Pass

To PAUSE a month: go to this link -> Skip A Month

(or: Settings -> Manage Your Plan -> Skip A Month -> Continue -> Skip A Month)


๐ŸŽฎ Games:

Game Ratings Cards Cheevos Details Platforms Bundled Retail Price
V Rising 89% of 51,622 reviews - ๐Ÿ† 0.00 CV โ˜  app/1604030 W 2 $34.99
System Shock 91% of 7,123 reviews - ๐Ÿ† 6.00 CV app/482400 W D๐ŸŸก 1 $39.99
Atomic Heart 78% of 11,714 reviews โค ๐Ÿ† 9.00 CV app/668580 W Dโœ… 0 $59.99
STORY OF SEASONS: Pioneers of Olive Town 83% of 1,288 reviews โค ๐Ÿ† 6.00 CV app/1392960 W DโŒ 0 $39.99
Cryptmaster 95% of 1,581 reviews โค ๐Ÿ† 3.75 CV app/1885110 W D๐ŸŸก 3 $24.99
Shogun Showdown 97% of 3,004 reviews - ๐Ÿ† 2.25 CV app/2084000 W M L Dโœ… 2 $14.99
Hotel Renovator 77% of 993 reviews โค ๐Ÿ† 3.75 CV app/1214470 W D๐ŸŸก 1 $24.99
Caravan SandWitch 89% of 1,243 reviews - ๐Ÿ† 3.75 CV app/1582650 W Dโœ… 0 $24.99

โ˜  - Game was free at some time and does not grant any CV if given away.

Retail:

  • $239.93

CV:

  • 35.9895

Chart created with Lex's SG Chart Maker


๐Ÿ’ธ Subscription + Bonuses

One plan for all
Starting Feb 01 2022, Humble Bundle offers only one plan, which will allow you to receive all the games included in that monthโ€™s lineup for the price of $14.99 (regional pricing may vary, see below):

ย  USD EUR GBP AUD CAD NZD CNY RUB
Per month $14.99 โ‚ฌ12.99 ยฃ11.49 AU$20.95 CA$17.99 NZ$22.45 ยฅ95 1199โ‚ฝ
Per year $154.99 โ‚ฌ134.99 ยฃ119.99 AU$219.95 CA$194.99 NZ$234.95 ยฅ998 12,999โ‚ฝ

Humble store discount:
The discount rate is based on how many consecutive months you had your subscription active, as seen below:

Consecutive Months Discount %
1 - 2 10%
3 - 5 15%
6 - 11 17%
12+ 20%

The stacking discount will reset back to 10% when skipping a month or canceling your Humble Choice membership.

Changes Coming to Humble Choice FAQ

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Non-USD regions: regional pricing is a fixed amount for each region set by Humble. More info here.


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๐Ÿ“– Informative links

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Master thread of ongoing bundles.


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Is this one filled with pumpkin spice and everything nice?

View Results
[SKIP/ PAUSE] Nothing but cobwebs and skeletons in this one
[WAIT FOR COUPON] The leaves are falling, but not the price, I'll wait a while
[OWN] I've already gathered these treats
[BUY] Like a system shock to my atomic heart, this is going into the library!
[GROUP BUY] I'm going door to door with a begging bowl

PSA: This isn't the right place for political flame wars. (Caravan Sandwitch)

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๐Ÿ’ณ Autocharges on Tuesday, October 28. November Humble Choice #72 launches on Tuesday, November 4.
โฐ Everything in this bundle will expire: all Steam keys expire 2026-11-04


Region locked:

Atomic Heart - Standard Edition

  • CN: {sub/1427646} (confirmed)
  • small SEA (BD BN HK ID IN KH KY MM MY NP PH PK SG TH VN): {sub/1427647} (confirmed)
  • RU/CIS: the game is not included in the bundle (source) but customers from RU/CIS are able to redeem a key from a NA purchase.
  • BR: {sub/1427645} (confirmed)
  • LATAM: a region-locked key, sub not indexed yet
  • EU: {sub/1427648} (confirmed) - can be redeemed only in EU countries
  • Everyone else: {sub/1427649} (confirmed) can be redeemed worldwide (no region restrictions) everywhere apart from RU/CIS (restricitons for RU/CIS were added on 10 Oct 2025)

V Rising

System Shock

  • CN: {sub/1368418} (confirmed)
  • SEA + Oceania: {sub/1368416} (confirmed)
  • RU/CIS: {sub/1368419} - same as "everyone else": some sort of "Tier 1" countries key that can be redeemed everywhere (RU/CIS included) but not in SEA, LATAM, ME, TR (confirmed)
  • LATAM: probably {sub/1368417}
  • ME (incl. Israel, Turkey) + ZA: {sub/1368415} (confirmed)
  • Everyone else: {sub/1368419} - some sort of "Tier 1" countries key that can be redeemed everywhere (RU/CIS included) but not in SEA, LATAM, ME, TR (confirmed)

STORY OF SEASONS: Pioneers of Olive Town

  • CN + some other SEA countries (BN ID KH LA MM MY PH SG TH VN): {sub/1365415} (confirmed)
  • rest of SEA: {sub/1365417} some sort of "Tier 1" countries key that can be redeemed everywhere (RU/CIS included) but not in LATAM, RU/CIS, BN, ID, KH, LA, MM, MY, PH, SG, TH, VN (confirmed)
  • RU/CIS: {sub/1365413} (confirmed)
  • LATAM: probably {sub/1365414}
  • IN + TR: {sub/1365416}
  • Everyone else: {sub/1365417} - a "Tier 1" countries key that can be redeemed everywhere but not in RU/CIS, SEA, LATAM, TR (confirmed)

Caravan Sandwitch

Redeemable worldwide (not region locked for anyone)
https://steamdb.info/sub/678944, Cryptmaster
https://steamdb.info/sub/744774, Shogun Showdown
https://steamdb.info/sub/841514, Hotel Renovator (Post Launch)


๐Ÿ”‘ Full list of subs: NA
๐Ÿ”‘ Full list of subs: EU
๐Ÿ”‘ Some subs: ME

๐Ÿ”— Gift link notifications: EU
๐Ÿ”— Gift link notifications: LATAM - Waiting for someone to post the subs.

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Subs [EU-NL]:
https://steamdb.info/sub/1427648, Atomic Heart - Standard Edition (EU)
https://steamdb.info/sub/568520, V Rising
https://steamdb.info/sub/1368419, System Shock - Retail (ROW)
https://steamdb.info/sub/1365417, STORY OF SEASONS: Pioneers of Olive Town - Retail (Global)
https://steamdb.info/sub/678944, Cryptmaster
https://steamdb.info/sub/744774, Shogun Showdown
https://steamdb.info/sub/841514, Hotel Renovator (Post Launch)
https://steamdb.info/sub/561547, Caravan Sandwitch

Region locks

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Thank you, as always!

6 days ago
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story of seasons is NOT Global even tho it says on the sub that it is :D

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exact!

6 days ago
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Got this same list in the UK.

5 days ago
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Is Atomic Heart US key is for NA only? Thanks.

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Atomic Heart is RoW sub from US.

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From SEA, TH

STORY OF SEASONS: Pioneers of Olive Town - https://steamdb.info/sub/1365415

The rest are the same as stated in the comment.

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EU: even though a EU-locked sub exists, customers from EU receive the WW-redeemable sub

The screenshot for gift link notifications for V Rising indicates that itโ€™s not redeemable in many countries. Iโ€™ve been skipping bundle splits because of that. Is that warning incorrect?

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Kind of...
Check my explanation here and let me know if it's not clear enough, I can elaborate if needed.

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Does anyone know the key restrictions for Algeria for the game: System shock?
Can't seem to find it anywhere i look not in allowed contries nor in not allowed one, would it be risky to go for a row key?

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hi im new in here and just need some confirmation, im buying this bundle from Indonesia (SEA), and want to trade Shogun Showdown to CIS person, can this person activate my key? thank you so much :)

3 days ago
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yes, there are no region locks for this game

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you reply for my question right, sfkng? if yes thank you so much and have a great day :)

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yes :)

Redeemable worldwide (not region locked for anyone)
https://steamdb.info/sub/744774, Shogun Showdown

good day to you too!

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Atomic Heart - Standard Edition sub/1427649 devs added restrictions for Ru+CiS

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I mean........I didn't even know about it until you brought it up.

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I thought you would mean the rumors about Atomic Heart. I'll have to research this properly before I pay for this bundle.

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Your comment got me curious about what happened and after reading a bit I must say that it's a pretty nothing burger of an issue, hyper specific to the US and at most a bit distasteful. For a moment I thought it was going to be something more serious.

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lit, i might also pay for the DLC for this then

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Same.

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Happy cakeday!

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Does anyone know the key restrictions for Algeria for the game: System shock?
Can't seem to find it anywhere i look not in allowed contries nor in not allowed one, would it be risky to go for a row key?

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Purchases made in Algeria should already receive the ROW key https://steamdb.info/sub/1368419/ (the same package as EU or US receives).
In other words, yes you can redeem a ROW key for it.

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you're a life saver man thank you so much, i was able to activate a row key indeed

8 hours ago
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happy enough with headliners(2/3).

will keep potentially 3 of the others... hard to check right now because of steam being DDOS'd.

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System Shock \m/

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this time it's very good

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Atomic Heart present in the list and have nothing except 'HERE YOUR KEY' on claim... emptiness

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If we get a coupon, I insta buy, if not, I guess I'll wait till I buy :) Good month after a long time!

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Sooooooo, what about CIS region? Atomic Heart should be unavailable for us, I guess.

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it is present in steam store for purchase, im from CIS region, but in humble choice i have topic without even button to claim, thats cheat from Humble, because there was no information that it is not available for CIS and topic with atomic heart present in the list

https://prnt.sc/72qQ3_uISHTM

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ukraine is the only cis country that has it available on steam
guess humble just doesn't have the keys for the region and they didn't bother with replacement or removal

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is the key revealable on Ukraine? or blank as other cis countries?

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blank

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they will have to fix it.... its a scam sell something and not deliver. Besides they try sell you the bundle using Atomic as main event.

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Not only, it is also avaliable in Georgia

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you're right and that's weird since steamdb says there's no price set in cis usd

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because Georgia is part of CIS-USD currency region, aswell as Armenia and Belarus where Atomic is also unavaliable

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this one looks insane compared to the previous ones, still going to wait for a coupon, will still get it if there isnt a coupon

6 days ago
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Insane as in rebundled?

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well, i got into HB this year, so for me its new and not a single game in my library, looks worth to me

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It definitely helps to have skipped several years of bundles, good for you.
Just be sure to activate the ones you want right away because keys disappear into thin air on Humble

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Happy cakeday!

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Thanks Adam!

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Happy cakeday!

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Thanks! I'm as always totally unprepared for the kindness on this site!

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Happy Cakeday Fluffster :o)

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Thank you my friend (โ€ขโ€ฟโ€ข)

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Happy cakeday

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Thanks Wiggle!

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Happy cakey Fluffy! :)

6 days ago
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Thanks Waxy

View attached image.
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its definitely a wildly higher quality bundle than everything this year, i think ive skipped all but one i accidentally didnt pause

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yeah, i started this year, and it feels like the worst year, got one that had the warhammer boltgun game in it, then skipped the rest of the months

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Yup, same here. Skipped almost everything for the last 2 years.

This line-up makes me wonder who they fired and who took their place, because this does NOT seem like the same Humble that we've had for a long time now.

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enough with talking, enjoy your cake

5 days ago
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Happy cakeday

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Only Atomic heart looks interesting enough to me, so I guess it's the fourth skip in a row for me.

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Same. I guess one game is enough for most people considering the comments here but that's not enough for me.
Not really that interested in Atomic Heart either but the rest of the bundle... are they even serious?

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ Happy ๐ŸŽ‚day, Fluffster!

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Aww thanks buddy! I don't know how I'm always totally surprised by my cakeday! After the first seven, you'd think I'be prepared but nope.

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Yeah it's a game that would probably not get played any time soon anyway to be honest. Maybe it will show up in a decent Fanatical bundle some time.

And of course happy Cakeday!

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Thanks Formidolosus and thank you for all the cool bundle threads. You're a life saver!

Maybe it will show up in a decent Fanatical bundle some time.

Or a GMG one since they recently got in the (re)bundling themselves.

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Happy cakeday Fluffster!

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Thank you buddy (โ€ขโ€ฟโ€ข)

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Happy ๐ŸŽ‚day!

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Thank you!

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System shock is probably one of the greatest games ever created.

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Hotel's Renovator's price looking interesting too in the table ;)
Thanks for your good work with the threads o7

6 days ago
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Happy cake day!

4 days ago
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And here I was trying to avoid the torrent of messages by staying under the radar :P
Still, thank you, you found me ^_^

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Hopefully, i didnt make it worse by responding to your now belated cake day!

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Nah man, nothing of the sort happened :3

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there are 3 free dlcs for STORY OF SEASONS: Pioneers of Olive Town

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Two wishlisted, that's enough for me to unpause, tyvm!

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Best Choice in a year, really happy about it

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Good one.

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https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/NDYvK/shogun-showdown

I work for the publisher of the game Shogun-Showdown, and I'm happy to be part of this Humble Choice! So I'm offering my key in this giveaway, haha

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Hi there!
Since you are the publisher, could you check that ? https://steamcommunity.com/app/2400770/discussions/0/510701523638974534/?ctp=3
People have been waiting for a while...

EDIT : Looks like keys have been restocked, thank you!

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I'm going to get it and the most interesting games i want are SystemShock, Cryptmaster and Shogun Showdown.

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Impressive, I already have V Rising. But every other game but Hotel Renovator is on my wishlist. Very easy choice.

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happy cakeday! ๐ŸŽ‚

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Happy cakeday, Golwar ๐ŸŽ‚๐ŸŽ‚๐ŸŽ‚!!!

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Happy cakeday!
... und einen schรถnen Feierabend noch :-)

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Happy ๐ŸŽ‚day! ๐ŸŽ†

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Happy cake day!

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Happy ๐ŸŽ‚day!

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Happy cake day!

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don't buy this bundle

Why?

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because atomic heart is russian imperialistic propaganda game and money will go to missiles for killiing civilians

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You know that the developers are not in Russia, but in Cyprus? Or are you just a typical Ukrainian who hates everything Russian just because it's Russian?)

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I recon he has enough reason to dislike anything with Russian ties to it.

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war 10+y, kill many people, destroy work, house etc = "any reason"? so u rus w/o knowledge about tax on repatriation/dividend etc show how proud you are of this on a foreign website?

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https://jamestown.org/program/cyprus-hub-for-russian-influence-money-laundering-and-sanctions-evasion/

Cyprus: Hub for Russian Influence, Money Laundering, and Sanctions Evasion

Please read.

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HOLY SHIT!, this is the best lineup ever

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NA/Canada
https://steamdb.info/sub/1427649/info/ - Atomic Heart - Standard Edition - ROW
https://steamdb.info/sub/1365417/info/ - STORY OF SEASONS: Pioneers of Olive Town - Retail (Global) - region locked
https://steamdb.info/sub/678944/info/ - Cryptmaster
https://steamdb.info/sub/744774/info/ - Shogun Showdown
https://steamdb.info/sub/841514/info/ - Hotel Renovator (Post Launch)
https://steamdb.info/sub/561547/info/ - Caravan Sandwitch - Can't be redeemed in South Korea
https://steamdb.info/sub/568520/info/ - V Rising
https://steamdb.info/sub/1368419/info/ - System Shock - Retail (ROW) - region locked

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Thank you for the subs.
For Caravan Sandwitch, what matter is not that it doesn't have a price in South Korea, but that it cannot be redeemed there.
Even without being priced in a certain region, a sub can be redeemed as long as it doesn't have corresponding regional restrictions set on it.

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Sorry, I didn't read far enough on the sub page, I'm a little tired today.

Region locks showing for System Shock now

6 days ago
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1 Million % better than last choice, will probably buy it in a couple days, with or without coupon

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so what about atomic heart key in CIS and KZ region? what region key do they provide?

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None

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ะ’ะพั‚ ั‚ะพะถะต ะฝะต ะทะฝะฐัŽ, ะฐ ะทะฐั‡ะตะผ ั‚ะฐะบ ัะดะตะปะฐะปะธ

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I wonder why they picked Atomic Heart when it's not even available and restricted for CIS countries

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Maybe to avoid the issue of keys running out? xD

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"You'll never run out of keys, when you don't have them" (c) Humble Wisdom
xDDDDDD

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It's not difficult if you don't pay attention to people from this region.

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It's not any different to previous issues other customers in other countries had. Be it Germany, Japan, some countries in the Middle East. Sometimes you get another game, sometimes you get nothing while still paying the full price.

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Back when humble was still being humble, they featured The Witness in a monthly right after it was also included in one of their big charity bundles. We got a choice to keep the key or get a $5 store coupon instead. Those were the days...

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Just start to play Caravan Sandwich i won here today (Ty to Sakakino). I recommend it so much <3
For the choice, already have 4 of them and none in my wishlist so i will pass i think despite a little interest for atomic & system shock

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It's a very cool game, isn't it? Just the sound alone at the beginning of the game is enough to relax for a month.
I own it though and that's really the only reason I would have bought the bundle so it's an easy easy skip.

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Happy cakeday :)

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Thanks!

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Wishing you a happy cake day mate!

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I'm always totally unprepared ๐Ÿคฃ
Thanks Mr Wonder

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Oh it's your cakeday too ! Happy cakeday Fluffster !

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Thank you Coley! You'd think I would see it coming after 8 years but I'm still totally surprised.

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happy cakeday Fluffster! ๐ŸŽ‚

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Aww thanks!

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It's a great great game, and yes, the first soundtrack puts you right in the mood <3 I think I'm on the way to the one shot him xD
If I didn't already have it, I'd have got the bundle for sure.
I have my doubts about Atomic, but... I've already got enough games to play, you know ^^

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Awww you made a cake for me! Thanks Tucs!

the first soundtrack puts you right in the mood

Reminds me of the summers of my childhood in the calanques. For a game with such a strong message about protecting our planet, it was a great choice for sure.

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I hope you like chocolate and raspberries :)

The first music in a game can change everything. I've fallen in love with some games for that reason alone, for example I knew at the first music of death stranding (after 2 minutes of playing) that I was going to do it 100% ๐Ÿ˜

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Same here, won it not long ago and am currently playing and enjoying it quite a lot. Surprised to see it already bundled. Guess they didn't do themselves a favour putting all this woke propaganda in it...

As for the choice, there's a very mild interest in Atomic Heart, and Cryptmaster on wishlist, but I have too many games already, so not buying anything, lol.

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Well it's a French game. Woke doesn't mean anything in French and propaganda is still called speaking your mind here so they probably didn't care.
I think they did pretty well for a small indie game. The people ranting about the game being woke were never really going to buy that kind of games in the first place anyway.

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Kind of sad that existing, and being around is treated as propaganda nowadays.

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So, that reminds me of a story. I don't normally keep "friends" on steam, other than those whom I actually know in real life, but I used to. And at one time I connected to a girl, via SG or barter, doesn't matter. She was very friendly, we chatted about stuff, we gifted each other games, she introduced me to her boyfriend who also befriended me on steam. But at one point, by pure coincidence and maybe a bit of curiosity I noticed there were a bit too many neo-nazi symbols among her steam friends. I guess it happens, right? But I dug deeper and noticed that she was also sending them swastikas for holidays with the wishes of certain groups of people disappearing from the Earth etc. Needless to say, I immediately removed the whole lot from my friendlist. I didn't say anything about it; we never talked about it earlier, either. So anyway, I'm sometimes thinking... does the "other side" see us the same way? On the surface we're people like them and we can be friends, or at least friendly, but when they find out we support gay rights or eat vegan, or vote left, or whatever else - we're immediately personae non gratae in their life? In the games context, I would certainly not want to play games with certain themes, and I guess so do they. Would I leave a negative review? Well, maybe. I did once. After all, steam reviews are shaped as "recommendations" and if someone bought a game they didn't like or encountered a theme they didn't appreciate, they may feel like warning their friends, especially if they share interests. Sure, calling themes "woke" etc. is just parroting toxic media, but maybe it's not a reason in itself to get mad about it, maybe there's something more underneath. Sorry for a wall of text, I'm just trying to understand, but maybe there's no point, maybe there's no place for understanding any more...

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You can choose your friends but you cant choose your enemies. You did the right thing, if you dont agree with their extreme politics its not worth engaging with them. When it comes to Neo-Nazis you'll find people all the way from the far left to the right would agree with blocking them. I'm not saying block everyone you disagree with, if people had more discussions on topics they didnt agree about maybe the world wouldnt be filled with so much hate. But when it comes to the extremes of politics (both left and right) those people arent interested in what you have to say and what they have to say isnt worth listening to.

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if people had more discussions on topics they didnt agree about maybe the world wouldnt be filled with so much hate

I wrote it elsewhere on SG (I think): it used to be that you could discuss and sometimes maybe even convince the other person to reconsider their views (and vice versa), but nowadays it's all futile, because right afterwards everyone goes back to their social media bubble and is fed the same shit by algorithms, so if and when you meet again, "their" views are back in place. I'm losing hope unfortunately. Or maybe I'm just growing out of my naivety.

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Very true and people believe what the media and social media tell them too readily. But it's not about convincing them to change, it's about opening peoples eyes to the other side. I've got friends on the left and right though and I listen to both but frankly I must say it'd be smarter to steer clear of politics all together as it only damages friendships. My dad only had a few rules for me, those being never introduce your girlfriend to your mates, never let anyone loan your car, and never discuss politics. I don't tend to follow the last one myself though because I think if a friend cant listen to the other side and wants to use it as a reason to not be friends any more than what sort of friend were they really to begin with. Except for the extremes of the left and right, you have to steer clear of those nutcases, I'm not saying the people who get a label as an insult, I mean the people who actually fully endorse those extreme politics.

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Yes, there are certain people who will be very vocal about, and fight (and kill?) for whatever they believe in; I've even seen people switch from a religious zealot to militant atheist or the other way round. It's best to avoid them, but unfortunately they are promoted by algorithms and used by politicians, which in turn polarizes the others who would normally stay out of these discussions, or at lest used to.

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I've seen it discussed, if they make us all hate each other we dont have the time to fight against them.

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That's historically one of the most efficient methods of population control, the others being religion and getting everyone drunk.

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On the surface we're people like them and we can be friends, or at least friendly, but when they find out we support gay rights or eat vegan, or vote left, or whatever else - we're immediately personae non gratae in their life?

I think people forgot about Alum (the game) in general, but after I wrote my review, I got multiple comments from people attacking me. Why? Because it's religious propaganda, which could be alright...ish. But you're literally committing a terror attack at the end of the game, and nobody bat an eye, because it was christianity-coded.

Double standards galore, though that also exists in the very west-oriented view of the media and news as well. Most of Asia, South-America, and the entirety of Africa is just not present in our news cycle, so we know nothing. At the same time, I often wish I would know even less about global politics because it's really draining in the past good few years.

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Sorry for a wall of text, I'm just trying to understand

You make a lot of sense so don't apologize for it. Trying to understand is more than most people on any side of any issue is doing these days.

I had a colleague years ago, who became a close friend and one day, after a random late night conversation about youthful mistakes, he took me aside and said "I'm going to show you something and I don't want you to freak out because it comes with a story" and he took off his watch and under it was a swastika tattoo. He was such a cool laid back tolerant guy that it shocked me and he said "now let's talk about stupid things I did in my youth. I promise you can't beat me".
Turns out he had an angry bitter childhood and he turned into an angry bitter skinhead of a teenager. Fell in with the wrong crowd etc. Did and said a lot of stupid things. Then one day his entire outlook on life changed after a guy who had no reason to even spit on him if he was on fire saved his life when he was having a severe allergic reaction. He fell out of the wrong crowd, starting reading books, met people from all over and became a different adult.
To this day he refuses to get the tattoo erased because it reminds him how much he screwed up and that nobody is above redemption. I love him for that.

All this to say, sure that won't apply to everyone, and there's no reason to spend time with people you don't want to be near or who don't want you near them but trying to understand is never a waste of time. Maybe some good can come of it. Who knows?

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Cool story, kinda like American History X (although that one was more extreme of course). Crazy that movies like that exist, a lot of them even, and people watch them and maybe even enjoy them, and then go about hating others anyway. Almost like these feelings are innate or something (yeah, I know they kinda are...).

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Yeah the divide between entertainment and thinking is growing increasingly. There are lessons everywhere and then there are people who make it a point never to learn anything because I dunno...

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Ain't that the truth. Hell even talking about the weather is "political" now so I guess it's easy to get confused if you spend too much time on the internet getting your mind warped by bots and politicos.
The game really isn't heavy handed when it comes to any topic that could be called political either but there are non-white-non-straight-nonbinary characters so i guess?

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Talking weather only gets political if you mention that the day is particularly warm*/cold** for the season.
(*) in which case you're a global warming propagandist
(**) in which case you're a global warming denialist

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haha I was on the way to the airport in an uber one day and almost got thrown out on the highway for discussing the weather.
Now when I get into an uber and start talking to the driver my gf glares at me like "don't even think about it!"

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wow, that's extreme! did they stop the car at least?
nvm, I now noticed "almost" ;-)

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The people ranting about the game being woke were never really going to buy that kind of games in the first place anyway.

Why not? Seems like a nice cozy game... that is until you learn about the dev's joyful, inhumane comments like about how some family guy (who "spoke his mind") had been "360 no scoped." Y'all truly believe this is just some petty political spectrum matter?

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Ok but what does that have to do with people on Steam forum calling the game "woke piece of trash" (I'm paraphrasing because I don't want to go to that board and see all the filth that was posted there from the day the demo was released) and other niceties?
The game is not about killing anyone, is it?

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Because they're clearly a piece of trash. See citation just before. And I assume woke is just generic term for the other side. I'm still wondering what you think is the sort of game they should be playing.

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And I assume woke is just generic term for the other side

Like I said I am not willing to go on the forum itself to give proper quotation and what's "the other side?"
And again that has nothing to do with the game itself so i don't know why you keep bringing up things that were said on social media after the game released as a reason for the game being targeted for having characters who are not straight or cis.

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The other side as in the opposite side of the culture war. I brought it up because I'd seen that's what the negative reviews are about. Personally, I see nothing wrong with alternative characters in a video game by itself (though they seem to be more and more frequently some tacky stereotyped lectures instead of interesting character building but I digress).

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You're right. Social media really hasn't improved humanity any. We are now more entrenched and divided than ever.
But yeah again we were talking about the game and not the devs and there's nothing political with the game unless people merely existing and the weather are political and they're not really.

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Sure. I'm just getting the impression people keep falling into the echo chambers thinking all "others" instantly hate a game for ever having any hint of minorities. I believe most don't give a shit as long as it's not some fan alienating, poor exercise in condescension. Those don't do the minorities justice, they're just treated as checkboxes and virtue food. Not surprising to see many being fed up and this black-and-white keyboard crap between braindead low-key extremists on both ends makes it worse.

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Not surprising to see many being fed up

Everyone is entitled to being "fed up" about anything, including tattoos, pollution and other people voicing their opinions but that doesn't entitle them to harass and troll those who are just enjoying a game because they are "fed up" with whatever is feeding them up.

I'm just getting the impression people keep falling into the echo chambers thinking all "others" instantly hate a game for ever having any hint of minorities

I invite you to the most recent threads on the game's board after it was in the humble bundle to see just how many are abou tthe game at all. It's also ironic that the same people being so vocal in their hatred for the game for being "political" for featuring diverse characters are now attacking it for the dev's comments about someone whose entire life was about political comments.

Anyway, the whole point was the game is not political. It's not any more political than the thousands of games released every year on Steam where you shoot people and creatures and things. Just because some people made a political argument against some other people existing doesn't make a game "political", regardless of comments/activism/opinions held by the game's developers.

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I took a look at the game's board like you said and I don't understand... That's exactly my point... The negative comments are not about anything in the game not being for them or some propaganda or whatever. Instead, they're reacting to the dev's inhumane posts on their socials. I think those are justified reactions. Because it's about more than just politics when someone humiliates themself rejoicing idiotically over the death of someone who, from what I gathered, isn't even a criminal.

Caravan's dev stands for the opposite of what their art is about. About it not pertaining to the game itself, consider that a response to cancel culture... Or that some people can separate the art from the artist, some can in some cases, and some just can't.

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Yes. It's a petty political matter.

Additionally, your hero made lite of children who died in school shootings, stating unambiguously that some people needed to die in order to protect the second amendment while specifically responding to the deaths of said children. He tried to bail out Paul Pelosi's attacker. He joked about George Floyd. That's your hero right there. A man who was a victim of his own propaganda and is being judged accordingly by many many people. In related news, he also claimed empathy was an artificial construct. He wouldn't want people empathizing with him or his family.

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He's not my hero. I never stated he is. So rephrase or piss off.

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I'll do neither.

You on the other really should stop crusading against "woke" developers.

Cheers!

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I am "crusading against woke developers" ??? Damn, learning something new every day. Get a splash of cold water.

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Correct. I'm glad we reached a consensus regarding you trying to cancel a dev.

I drank the water. Delish.

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My "hero"? "Crusade against woke developers"? Now "trying to cancel a dev"? What the hell are you babbling about? Are you going to randomly throw in the entire glossary?

I'm not bothering with anything you say until you stop making up crap to smear me. Again, piss off you insufferable prick. Out.

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You're all up in your feelings I see. You're the only one to blame for your actions. You were trying to cancel a dev and it backfired. Oops!

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Keep harassing, bud. You can come back eventually when you'll have taken your meds. Maybe I'll consider a discussion then.

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It's weird how you keep saying you're done, but then keep on commenting, lol.
I get it. You're embarrassed. If I'd done what you'd done and acted the way you've been acting, I'd probably be embarrassed as well. It happens.

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I'm saying that now? Discussion. This is no discussion. You need those meds.

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You keep coming back, which is comical given your proclamations about leaving; and is indicative of a lack of conviction.At least that's time you're not using to harass developers though. I call that a win.

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Can you stop fantasizing and smearing me, please?

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Actually, only you have been doing that. Which everybody gets to witness. Good job!
You've now added projection to your list of accomplishments. I wonder what you'll add to the list next?

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This is getting worrying. Stop.

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I agree. You should stop.

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Stop. You never wanted to talk so get off me. You barged in with just plain harassment.

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Nope. I commented on what you were saying, in a public forum. Each time. That's not harassment. That's engagement.

You then started tossing insults around like a child, which is all you. I can only imagine what the people here who actually need to take medication think about you tossing it around as an insult.

Since you can't handle things properly and lack any measure of self control, you should move on like you claimed you were going to do several times already.

Cheers!

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Again, still spewing crap like you have a deep problem with me, so I'm not going to read the rest of your nonsense. Piss off.

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Does going to work count as pissing off?

If I'm not mistaken, that's the fourth time you said you were leaving. Maybe this time it'll stick?

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I didn't, just like I didn't do anything of what you claim I did. I'm not the person you are dying to argue with you prick. Also you're reported for harassment.

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Responding to you responding to me isn't harassment.
Calling you out for poor behavior is similarly not harassment.

You on the other hand continue with the insults. That's pretty embarrassing.

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Sure, buddy. I probably shouldn't expect any better from someone like you who once called Steamgifts contributors literally pedophiles, repeatedly. (I can link if you don't remember how awesome you are)

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Ohh. Now we're in the stage where you try to shift focus away from your poor behavior here in this thread. That does check some boxes. And qualifies as both stalking and harassment. Kudos. You're stacking bad behavior now.

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Of course, buddy. Now fuck off.

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You first.

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I'm certainly no innocent in feuding with people on the forum but don't you agree that bystanders deserve better entertainment? This already was a pretty stale affair two days ago.

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Their goal wasn't entertainment but to copy and reverse, as narcissists do.

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Inclusion and diversity are clearly present in the game, but in terms of narrative I find it rather discreet, and frankly I don't find it shocking at all. Maybe I'll change my mind when I finish the game later.
In any case, those who give negative reviews to a quality game just because of its theme should reconsider, or at least refrain from trying it, buying it, and then moving on.
It's clearly a risk today to take sides on this subject in a video game (and not only video games), but as Fluffster said... Who cares :D

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They are giving negative reviews for the horrendously minded posts on the dev's socials. Not in-game narrative they don't align with.

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Not interested in headliner, so will skip.
But nice to see Caravan SandWitch ...

P.S : Shogun Showdown was free on GOG with Amazon prime if i remember well ...

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