Can we have an option to allow whitelisted users into our Invite Only GAs and also bypass any level restrictions? Then I wouldn't have to worry about setting the level restriction too high if someone on my whitelist is a lower level. They'll still be able to enter and it would be an extra benefit to being whitelisted.

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Maybe they can add it extra but now it isn't using

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You can solve that with an SGTools gate up front. Just make the main train of GAs invite-only without a level, but put the rules you want in the SGTools gate.

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+1
Its the best solution

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So make a invite only giveaway and use SG to make the link WL only?

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Yep, pretty much :)

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please excuse another question, but what would be the sgtools rule code for "people on my whitelist"?

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you dont need a rule for "people on my whitelist". you can simply use a whitelistgiveaway (you can even use an old one), write the link to the whitelistgiveaway in the topic and in the description of the whitelistgiveaway you can write the direct link to the train ;)

btw: sgtools cant check if somebody is on your whitelist or even blacklist. so its impossible to create a sgtools rule

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Thank you

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You can't do both (Invite AND Whitelist). Even with a SGTools protected giveaway, you can't mix. You can do a SGTools gate leading to a first giveaway and then, inside this giveaway put invite only giveaways OR whitelist/group giveaways (you'll be granted a reroll if leaked. Not the usual way but I did it in this old train) and got rerolls, but again, you can't select invite AND whitelist.

Note: you can't protect invite-only giveaway with SGTools but you can protect the train if the link leading to the first invite-only giveaway is inside a SGTools protected giveaway.

As Grez1 wrote, the best way is to put some rules, advanced rules to allow people to enter.

Here is an example to allow one particular person to enter:

`last_multiple_win <= date_modify(date('now'),'-1 years')
and pass_activated_rule == true
and trade_ban == false
and community_ban == false
and level >= 5
or
(num_sent == 21 and raw_sent == 209.79)

The last line allows one people with specific stats to enter, one people who didnt fit my previous requierment but I wanted to include. Of course it's not a good solution if you have a huge whitelist.

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can't you generate two different sgtools link?
one which is normal reachable from the forum and another only visible in a whitelist GA (can be an old one)
that way the one from your whitelist can have an easier way to enter

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Yep, you can generate differents gates for the types of train you want to build.

What I did, if I remember well:

One first public giveaway (GENERAL GATE) with inside:

  • PUBLIC TRAIN : A SGTools link (basic filter) → Invite-only giveaways (classic SGTools protection) → Another SGTools link (advanced filter) → Invite-only giveaways (classic SGTools protection)
  • GROUP TRAIN : A link to a group-only giveway → SGTools link (basic filter) → Invite-only giveways → Another SGTools link (advanced filter) → Invite-only giveways
  • WHITELIST TRAIN : A link to a Whitelist giveaway → SGTools link → Invite-only giveaways

I rerolled a winner for a giveaway inside the GROUP TRAIN. And previous this train I asked the support for information and got this message:

If a user is not on your whitelist, and you place the private giveaway link ONLY in your whitelist giveaway, you will be granted a reroll. However, if at any point this user was whitelisted and had access to the giveaway, the giveaway will not be rerolled. Essentially, rerolls will be granted if the giveaway was "leaked" to the winner - if he/she got the link from a source other than you.

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You could do a whitelist giveaway of any leftover games, and put in the description the link to your invite-only giveaway.
I never used SGTools but I think you might make a rule for a level restriction leading to your invite-only giveaway, that has no level restriction.

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Create an invite only low level GA but use SGTools to require a higher level.
Give a blue heart link to an old GA that holds the link to the new GA without having to go through SGTools

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That's a clever solution but wouldn't that be considered evading sgtools? And what if someone not in my whitelist had an invalid entry and I checked, then everyone in my whitelist would show up as well and it would be a hassle to check who's in my whitelist and who isn't.

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Moreover, anyone viewing the old GA, whitelisted or not, will see the new GA. No re-rolls will be granted for such leaks.

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I said in my OP that whitelist should bypass level restrictions.

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To accomplish what you seek, you would currently need two separate SGT gates. This is because of how the "regular" SG gating system functions.

  • The invite-only restriction acts as a visual gate, preventing anyone from seeing the giveaway unless they go to its URL.
  • Level restriction acts as an exclusive group gate, disallowing entry to those not in the group (those of insufficient level).
  • Whitelisting is an inclusive group designation. You either belong to the group, or you do not. Unlike other group giveaways, whitelisted giveaways are only visible to those on your whitelist (and Staff).

Therefore, if you want your whitelist group to see an invite-only giveaway, you must give them the URL. If you want your whitelist to by-pass the level restriction, they must come through by a gate other than the level-restriction gate. This means you need two different gates, one checking for level, one checking for whitelist, and both of them leading to the URL of the train. Only those who pass the gates will be able to find the train.

Example:
SGT (whitelist restricted) gate ---> URL location ---> giveaway train
SGT (level restricted) gate ---> URL location ---> giveaway train

As both gates are SGT locked, you will be able to verify anyone joining the train and thereby catch leaks. I believe that SGT gates allow the "OR" function, so you might be able to use one gate which will allow entry to anyone who is a member of either group. Technically, you could skip the SGT gate for your whitelist group as only those whitelisted may see the giveaway (and the URL), but then you would not be able to document any leaks. (There is no way to prove the negative---that someone was not on your whitelist at the time they entered.)

P.S.(If I understood your OP, you are asking that a designated group be given a "skeleton key" to by-pass all gates on your giveaways. While that may be possible to code, I am not sure it is feasible. I can already think of major problems with such a system.)

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Thanks for the detailed reply. Yes I want WL users to be exempt from any gated restrictions. Doing the dual SGT gate thing is more than I want to deal with though. It would be cool if SG had an option for it. What major problems are you worried about?

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What major problems are you worried about?

Most of what Support Staff does hinges around who is or is not allowed access to giveaways. That is determined by SG's gates. Giving someone a "skeleton key" allows them to by-pass those gates, making it impossible to tell who is or is not allowed to access any particular giveaway at any particular time. In effect, you would be removing Support's ability to determine and moderate giveaway access. Put even more simply, imagine users able to see, access, and enter any giveaways they wish while Support cannot tell who is allowed to do so and who is not.

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Can't the support staff see the GA rules and the GA creator's WL?

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We do not see whom you have on your whitelist or blacklist, nor is it necessary that we do so.

(Except CG, of course. He sees all.)

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Oh then I see how that would be a problem. You would have to give support that ability before this feature could work.

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I like to keep things simple, I am still new on SG. I do not use SGT. Can't you create a Steam group, select the individuals from your whitelist and invite them on Steam to your group? Cheers~

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ouch! that's some serious SG science, thanks a lot, Khalaq.

whitelisted giveaways are only visible to those on your whitelist (and Staff)

this something i didn't know... but can see why they're visible to you, Staff

also want to add that, like PicoMan, would like something inside SG, to allow whitelist bypass level limits. but re-reading the "skeleton key" thing i've understood why whitelist would have "too much power".

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What would be the code for the SGT (whitelist restricted) gate?

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As far as I am aware, SGT simply runs a few checks on a person's profile, and it has no access to the individual's whitelist/blacklist. However, there is nothing preventing you from including an SGT gate inside (the description of) a whitelist giveaway. Only those whitelisted would be able to access the SGT gate.

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ah, I see. Thanks! I'l rephrase to make sure I got the concept--you're saying that in that situation (SGT gate in the description of a WL-only GA) only those on the whitelist (and staff) could see the SGT gate, because only they could ever read the description (required to see the gate).

I had been hoping to learn how to set up (via SGT) a ga with (basically) no restriction on WL people (other than the usual), but have at the same time a rules or level restriction for non-WL people. However, from what I've read, it sounds like the easiest is two gates--one in a WL only GA, and one in a forum post.

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Aye.

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Thanks. I appreciate it

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can we have an option on sg?
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use sgt

reminds me of idlemaster discussions...

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^ best comment :)

why even bother implementing something an sg, when you can use the allholy sgtools?... -.-'
"its "the best" sollution" .. what a joke..

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(I'm not trying to either derail this topic, or create many posts about the same topic, thus annoying people).
I was wishing a similar thing, because I'd like to sometimes have an invite only + my whitelist enter a ga (if their level was high enough); that way my whitelist wouldn't feel left out if they didn't see the spot where the invite was put (ie in a steam group page that they weren't members of), and yet I wouldn't have to delete the ga if no-one joined.

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u can create a WL GA and put the trains' first step URL on it.
maybe it can work?

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If I make a WL GA then I can't make it Invite-only. I'm not making a train I just want WL (or groups) to be to access Invite only GAs without restrictions.

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I see. but now this is a thing can't be done. maybe host Will add it in the future?

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Would be a good idea

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