He was perma-banned from Twitch for a different offence (spoofing subs) but the rest is still relevant
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A lot of scammers that roamed those dodgy sites in search of prey will be unhappy.
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I say good riddance to these sites and those scumbags who think owning gambling sites, sometimes controlling the system and profiting from them is a legitimate way to earn money.
And also letting "anyone" to join the gambling sites is wrong and illegal. When is the last time you saw or heard a 10 year old signing in to steam? He can do anything just like we do - buy games, manage inventory, trade and signing into sites that requires a steam profile check system. And FTC doesn't regulate this yet. But if they did, then we wouldn't have this fiasco.
I still cannot believe for the life of me why people, especially kids, are wasting HUGE amounts of money on skins. And to gamble them is just ridiculous.
Personally, I don't like gambling. You're basically "taking" peoples stuff that is dear and valuable to them. It always makes me a bad person if I win a gamble. I'm happy that I won, yes, but at the same time I put someone homeless, in debt or worse. This not only makes me feel bad, but I also regret it.
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I can understand what you're saying. I'm fine with gambling when it's very low stakes ("oh no, I gambled away all my M&Ms!") and video game money (such as Xenosaga Episode I, which has an amazing poker game). But when you're actually playing with real money/items of value? That's not something I can bring myself to do.
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Totally agree. Nothing wrong with betting 5 bucks among friends to see who does something the best/longest. As long as the stakes are low and it doesn't really have an impact on anyone, I'm okay with it. Once the stakes go up though...
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and there's the key to gamlbing - the stakes have to be low. What's low depends on the person. my view is, if I want to go to the theater, it'll cost X. If I want to go to a sports game, it'll cost X. If I go to a casino, I spend X, which is what I'd usually spend to have a good night out. I never go with the intention of winning, just of having fun.
If I happen to win, maybe I'll go for a fancy meal afterwards, or buy some artwork, or something. I usually end up spending all my winnings around the same time. except those times when I win big That, to me, is why I like going on a gambling trip, like Las Vegas or Monte Carlo - it's a vacation, and there's so much more to do
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Unless they can find a way to come back again in some form, then yes.
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im cool with it, shut them all down, then regulate how they are to operate, then re-open now that they have law and order about them.
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CS:GO is one of the games at the forefront of eSports. If this sort of gambling is going to be as prominent part of that scene as it has been it probably has to be sanctioned and regulated. Valve got to get their game and scene build up a head of steam in part because of gambling but gambling will not make or break eSports.
[AnecdoteI have begun watching CS:GO matches recently and I haven't even entertained the idea of betting. I just want to watch the best in the world do their thing--which is the same reason I watch traditional sports.]
The people who won't watch CS:GO competitions now if/because betting is stifled are betting fans--not CS:GO fans. (The same way someone who watches football and goes to games when they bet on them but ignore the sport when they don't aren't football fans.) Anyway, how valuable they are to the industry is another matter entirely--if the industry really values them, then another arrangement will come about.
Major professional sports in North America spent years publicly disavowing gamebling because of the gambling and game-fixing scandals that plague their histories (and the histories--sometimes recent--of many, many sports leagues worldwide), while making the occasional nod toward it (such as the NFL--which has long provided player injury status a couple days before Sunday games which is primarily useful to the gambling industry and of minimal value so far in advance of the game for regular fans). Now with all the revenue from fantasy sports--most especially daily fantasy sports, which is being challenged as gambling in many municipalities--the leagues not only embraces these other sources of revenue, but makes partnerships and investments in these tertiary sources of revenue.
If nothing else Valve probably needs to insulate itself from liability. But that doesn't mean that betting a bit further removed from Valve won't be silently tolerated, or that Valve and others within the industry aren't going to figure out a "more legitimate" system.
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fuck gambling, im very happy to see those sites go down... gambling is one of the worst things we have...
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Well, every time I see something related to the csgo economy, I get that sort of barf taste in my mouth, you know? So I guess I would have to say I do not mind these sites are being taken down.
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Yes i'm happy all those shady gambling sites are banned. But i'm not happy with CSGOLounge being on the list. Why?
CSGOLounge brings viewership to many CSGO events, that wouldn't even be watched, just because you can bet on them. Many of those CSGO events wouldn't even exist without the Lounge, and probably will all be gone with the site as well. Many aspiring players were found through those events, and the Official events sponsored by ESL, Valve and others (called Majors) are boosted in viewership because of Lounge.
CSGOLounge is also a trading centre for the most of CSGO players. Exchanging skins / stuff will be a bit harder now.
I was hoping for that site to be spared, as it never done shady stuff behind our backs and actually is helping the community.
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hang on, you're happy the shady gambling sites are banned and complaining that csgolounge (a gambling site) got taken down?
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CSGOlounge is not a gambling site. I think that there's a line between lounge and the other sites.
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Have you actually ever gone to CSGOLounge.com?
There's a huge button at the top saying "bets".
Their "Rules" page displays betting quite prominently
General Rules:
By placing bets on CSGOLounge you automatically agree with our rules and regulations.
If you don't agree with all of these rules... don't place bets on csgolounge.
By placing a bet on CSGOLounge you are confirming that you are in abidance with your country's laws which allow you to participate in skin-betting. This is generally 18 years of age or older, but make sure to check.
If we have any questions regarding your age, we have the right to freeze your account and ask you for documents to confirm your age.
With regards to the value of your items: each value is determined by the CSGOLounge system. If you don't agree with the value that is given to your item(s) either place a different item or don't bet at all.
The value system is automatically updated at our discretion and can be updated without warning and may occur during active bets.
In some cases, if your potential reward value is very low, generally below 0.3, there is a chance you may not win something (besides get your initial items back).
In addition to this rule: in some cases, where the odds are highly in favour of one team and you bet on the favoured team, you may end up without any winnings at all. Reason being: more people bet on the winning team than the total amount of items lost. In these cases, potential reward values become irrelevant. It all depends on the total amount of items placed on the match.
Each user can make a minimum bet of 1 item and a maximum bet of 4 items. Regardless of the value of the item(s). There is a maximum of 75 value per item.
We are not responsible for the name tags/stickers attached to your items. So, please keep in mind the item you bet may not be the same one that is returned to you.
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Betting =/= gambling. There is a huge difference in that.
You obviously never used Lounge at all, and probably never heard of it before. And as i stated, Lounge actually benefits the game more than it hurts the game, unlike shady gambling sites.
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bet·ting
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noun
noun: betting
the act of gambling money on the outcome of a race, game, or other unpredictable event.
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The reality of every professional sports. I don't know why Valve caved in here.
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Tell that to the government of… well, any country. Sports bettings are always regulated by the same body that regulates gambling. Legally, betting is gambling, unless it is straight-out outlawed somewhere.
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Not only I've been there as I use it daily for a good profit if I may say.
Gambling means trying your luck. Betting on csgolounge, if you do it smart and with caution, isn't gambling...
Do you think poker is gambling as well?
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yes, it is. see dictionary definition above
Look, there's gambling that's completely random, like the lottery, and there's gambling that's more predictable, like poker, sports, or e-sports. But it's still gambling. It's still risking something of value on predicting a non-certain event. Just because I was fairly certain that Mayweather was going to beat pacquaio, doesn't mean it was 100% certain. Even though placing money on the match was a calculated bet that I thought was going to pay off, it's still gambling.
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I guess we just have different views and both are partially right. I don't see calculated betting or even poker as gambling because I can do my own research, when it comes to betting, and I can study the game enough as well, when it comes to poker, to get a profit. You're right when you say that the result isn't 100% certain, but hey, pretty much everything in life isn't certain. I guess that for me, what counts is the long run or the ROI% if you prefer.
A lot of these things also apply to "real life" jobs, whenever you invest in something it isn't sure that you'll profit
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eh. I think we're partly arguing about semantics.
I got nothing against someone betting for a living, or betting for fun. I don't care if it's completely random or mostly calculated. Still gambling, though.
and, before you bring it up, most people putting money on the stock market know less about it and are taking bigger risks than, say, top poker players; then again, most poker players don't know what they're doing either
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I know nothing about CSGO. I've never cared about it. So to even hear gambling is a big thing in it is news to me. XD
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So, a few scammers are going to lose their "job". Isn't that a good thing?
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what do i think?
we get rid of some: scammers, petty people that would stay in front of a pc 24/7 rather than look for a real job, gambling addicts, kids wasting money on useless skins
the question is ...anyone is against this policy?
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Scammers, petty people, gambling addicts, and kids wasting money might be against it. =P Whether we should care or not is another story. =3
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petty people that would stay in front of a pc 24/7 rather than look for a real job
But... I'm studying Software Engineering. That would require me to sit in front of a pc all day as a job... Does that make me a petty person? :p
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getting paid = job
idling cards or "working" on sites for cents = ...
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You've no idea how much money they made :b
Those who owned gambling sites were reporting over 1 Millions USD$ of profits per month
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I will see the gambling situation as this: there will be a major outcry, more so on the Steam forums for months to come, then eventually everything will simmer down. Only a thread here and there will remind us of this incident, but life continues on - the birds will sing, the earth will rotate, and Valve has yet to count to 3.
We see this happened for the Steam Authenticator and the incident when people were seeing other people's "confidential information" from a cache mix-up.
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CSGOBig will still be up http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sotq87
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They will register as a legal betting & gambling website, or they will continue as they were before?
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Maybe do bots without Steam API or just work around that (?)
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That just reads like a "Please don't panic and ask for your items back, we want to keep them"
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Well they don't want to get a public shame by saying we will close down and you won't get refund. it will be "soon" and one day site will just disappear with all the deposit.
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I'm fine with it. Gambling is something I enjoy, but unregulated gambling that allows kids to play isn't something I can support.
If 888, BWin, Bet365 or similar offered odds on CS:GO matches then that would be different as you have to be over 18 to open an account at those places, and they won't let Americans sign up because of the gambling laws in their country etc. Not something I'd want to gamble on, but there'd be safeguards in place on those kind of sites. There's nothing like that on these CS:GO gambling sites. Don't even know where they're registered as businesses (if they are), if they keep proper financial accounts/pay taxes etc.
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So I've just found you can actually bet on e-sports on a number of legit betting websites. This site compiles odds from a number of companies on allsorts of different things and it has an e-sports section too - http://www.oddschecker.com/e-sports/counter-strike
No problem with any of that, as all those companies vet their customers for age and are fully legal. It's just like having a bet on the football, tennis or horse racing etc.
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I dont gamble so i dont care much but its good that Valve took steps to stop people like Phantomlord scam kids who are watching him to get more money for another Audi R8.
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Honestly, I don't give a shit about Counter-Strike, and everything related to it.
But I'm more than glad that those scummy sites are closing down, and the morons who run them can't "earn" money from addicted kids anymore.
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Good, now these 'employees' can finally contribute something to society.
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Those arguments can be used to justify so many things, they could even be used to destroy nature and humanity within.
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Let's close them down,
I'm getting tired of their spam everywhere.
CS;GO will do just fine whiteout them
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