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I see...
Did not search in the S section xD
Thanks pointing out
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It was free during the Golden Joystick Awards a year or so ago (along with Mafia II), think that's when it got added to the Bundle List.
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it's been discounted a lot of times, and always over 95% off in russia.
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You should ask why its not considered a free game. And at this point, I have no idea.
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Wow I did not think it was that oversaturated
Shouldnt have bought it in a 75% sale xD
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Think about a good side that you enjoy the game and supported dev :D
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You shouldn't buy the base game at any discount, since [as is normal for Paradox's distasteful approach to DLCs] there's no way to upgrade it to the Gold Edition, and Civ5 has a well-established consideration by many of being low quality without the DLCs.
The Gold Edition, on the other hand, I don't believe has been bundled, free, or heavily discounted before; and as it's treated as a separate game, there wouldn't be any need to feel concerned about the history of the base game's discounts.
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That's a horrible comparison. Paradox actually does DLC right as opposed to most developers.
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Nothing is being compared against anything else, are you intending to reply to another post?
And if you think Paradox's "screw the early purchasers" approach is 'right', then you and I couldn't possibly see eye-to-eye on how DLCs are handled.
Rather, Paradox and Bethesda are well known for how poorly they handle DLCs (more specifically, the lack of GOTY upgrade options, with it always being cheaper to rebuy the game entirely), so it'd be up to you to argue the counter-point in the first place.
P.S. We're discussing Paradox as a publisher, not a developer, not sure if that was an intended nuance in your comment or not.
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He may have been referring to the fact that most Paradox DLC is cosmetic, and whatever isn't goes on sale and ends up very cheap anyway.
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Pretty much this. Not only do their base games usually have hundreds of hours of content, but their meaty DLCs add hundreds more. They make no qualms about cosmetic DLC not being required in any way, and the DLC revenue extends the life of games exponentially. Not only that, but this also allows amazing support with free content patches that everyone gets to enjoy, regardless of how much DLC and they've purchased. Look at Crusader Kings II, still going incredibly strong with new content added all the time.
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As a side-topic, I view their base games to be unplayable, and only find them satisfying after DLCs and mods. So, y'know, that's something for you to consider.
And, as noted in the comment below, cosmetics aren't being discussed.
Likewise, none of the rest of what you just noted has bearing on the problems I'm discussing.
So, as far as I'm interpreting it, you misunderstood the direction my initial post was pointing?
The problem isn't how DLC is handled [from a development standpoint], it's how [purchasing DLC, GOTY, etc] is handled [from a publishing standpoint].
It's especially frustrating when they force it on non-in-house games [like Bethesda on Dishonored or Fallout: New Vegas].
And hey, if you make your judgements carefully and agree to pay twice for the game just for earlier access, then that's okay.
The problem is that many of us still have lingering assumptions that we'll be able to properly expand games as per bygone days of gaming. Here, DLC presentation makes that prohibitive, and that small handful of publishers aggravates the point by not providing any lingering benefits to your purchase.
Now see, for you, or me now, who are aware of the publisher's habits, we can make fair assessments on the matter, and not get screwed over.
But before Bethesda and Paradox were absolutely known for the matter, or for gamers new to such purchases, it's still a big deal.
When I bought Civ 5, Borderlands 2, Blood Bowl: Legendary Edition, or so forth, I expected to be able to have easy purchasing access to continued content.
Instead, I've got a massive, expensive wall of DLC that basically never goes on sale [or in Chaos Edition's case, no way to upgrade at all], and a GOTY that is straight up cheaper.
It's just an ugly situation.
I mean, if all your base game purchase gets you is $5 off the retail of the GOTY, then hey, fine. You still got screwed over [unless you hold importance for earlier play access], but at least there's some lingering carryover to soothe your frustration.
But this..
Lets put it this way. Buying all the DLC for Dishonored costs exactly as much as buying the GOTY edition.
Think on that for a moment.
Either way, I reserve the right to be frustrated over all the money I wasted, being that I don't enjoy incomplete versions of games, and don't care about when I get around to playing the games.
Meaning, for me, it would have been far better to save the notable amount of money that I've given as free gifts to developers, for games that I couldn't meaningfully play in the first place.
For me, it's the same as having bought a broken game, and then the developer offering a working version, but requiring you to buy it all over again.
You may not be able to comprehend that mindset, but that's pretty much exactly what it is for me.
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I've.. never paid attention to any cosmetic DLC. And I'm going to have to argue that point, the games are dramatically different after DLC, with the base games typically feeling pretty bare-bones. (And, again, Civ5 being viewed especially critically without its DLCs.)
And cheap? Uhm. Not in total, no.
But regardless, what you're discussing has no bearing on the complaints that are made against Paradox and Bethesda [or Borderlands 2], which is that it'll run you 3 times or more the cost of the GOTY to buy all the DLCs separate. Add in the lack of any sort of discount, no matter how small, for owning the base game, and the fact that you don't get a spare copy if you own the base game, and your initial purchase goes to complete waste.
That's the element that people have issue with, regardless of how much import you yourself put on it.
Add in that Paradox and Bethesda games are notoriously buggy on launch (the first one more just due to memory leaking and their habit of copying code from previous games and not properly checking it, Bethesda due to poor all-around quality control)..
You're paying $40-$60 for a game, twice.
Or using Borderlands 2 as the example: I bought it once, then I bought it again with DLCs in Humble Bundle- and even having bought it twice, it's still cheaper to just buy the GOTY edition straight-up, now, than upgrade.
So I wasted my money twice, thinking I was getting a full game [or a game that would have lingering value] each time.
Now, you may think paying for earlier access to a game is worthwhile. But you can't expect others to necessarily share that opinion [especially in 'the era of the ever-full backlog'], and certainly not at those prices.
Besides, it's counter-intuitive that the earliest purchasers should have to pay the most (and by far). Shouldn't they get the most discounts, instead, out of recognition of their loyalty?
The whole system is a mess, and publishers like Paradox and Bethesda highlight it.
Now, not every publisher has to do what Saint's Row IV does (offering the GOTY upgrade for $5), but this approach, especially when combined with the overall negative impressions associated with Paradox [and especially Bethesda] as publishers- it's problematic.
Again, you may not be bothered by it.
But many people do seem to be, given how often the topic comes up.
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Ha that is a good question lol
I think since it has been a couple years that i am sure by now it is not an issue,also if memory serves me right i think the last free keys golden did they expired.The last time you had to pay 1.00 to get the game for voting,So who knows what they will do this year.
But yeah i get why you asked it as some once free always marked free but these where not.
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Ah It all makes sense now. I never thought those keys are expired, and seem after a certain amount of time, free games can be add to the list can make giveaway again. Always has a thought in my mind that because the game is too good and they just want keep it on the list no matter what xD
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Which was a total clusterfuck. So many people didn't get anything and they got 1000s of email addys for their store.
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Well sorta that was meant only for Europe but some how got all screwed up so i am not sure i would count that 100% but with the voting anyone who voted got keys or whoever was allowed as some places do not allow such ga's So they may just put a temp ban on them and remove it after some time but games like woodle tree and others have been giving away in huges amounts or quiet often enough to pretty much warrant a life time ban.
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Im pretty surprised that an old game is never bundled.
Eventough Its been through a lot of sales .
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