Hi!
Is there a way to know who put me on their blacklists? I'd like to blacklist them too! I think it's a stupid idea to have blacklists on a generosity site and i never used it for the 9 years i'm a member but whatever let's use it!

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lol no need. if they blacklisted you, they cannot enter your giveaways anyway.
just let it go

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1 month ago
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Eye for an eye, that's what i want. :)

1 month ago
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doesn't apply to me i guess, I have 0 blacklists and I have been blacklisted about 50 times? that's a lot of eyes to take care

1 month ago
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I say track them all down and do what you gotta do, godspeed.

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1 month ago
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"Tortuga means turtle, that's me. I take my time, but I always win"

1 month ago
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I think it's a stupid idea to have blacklists on a generosity site.

That's nice. So you enjoy giving games to self-proclaimed nazis, islamic extremists, people who call for the extinction of all jewish people or tell other users to commit suicide?

Also... SG is not a generosity charity site. It's a gambling site in all but name.

1 month ago
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Welcome to the SteamGifts Gamblers Rehabilitation Clinic!

1 month ago
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Indeed 😅 I've been dry for almost 2 years.

1 month ago
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I do not gamble when i do a giveaway.

1 month ago
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Gambling/gambling sites generally have you competing against a house/operator. Sometimes they also have you competing against other players, but ultimately you are competing with other players against a house/operator. What you're actually thinking of is lottery/lottery sites. Lotteries explicitly have you competing against other people and only those people.

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That's a good explanation I can completely agree with but in my personal opinion lotteries and tombolas are just a sub-genre of gambling.

But then again this topic has been discussed at length repeatedly here on SG with people quoting Webster's dictionary and whatnot so I'd rather not get cought up in semantics.

1 month ago
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People argue about this? That's crazy. No one is losing anything of value by entering giveaways so how could anyone debate this at length?

1 month ago
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There is a difference between gambling and "it's a gamble", that also caused some arguments

1 month ago
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While you're correct about the definition distinction between gambling and lottery*, the association of "lottery" nevertheless doesn't properly relate to SG.

* (Though lotteries can actually be considered a subset of gambling, so it gets a bit less precise in actual usage, and in that same vein there's also the consideration of loot boxes, which are legalized under gambling [in certain countries] while lacking clear competition against ANY other entity.)

TL;DR version:

SG is a raffle site. Raffles guarantee a winner and don't require you to put anything into them, while lotteries require you to put something into them and don't guarantee a winner.


Long version:

Let's start off from your perspective, and circle our way in:

By definition, gambling additionally requires there to be a potential loss to the participant. Hence gambling's broader usage in meaning "to take a risk". If there's no loss, then it's simply "a game of chance"* or, in modern parlance, "Rolling the RNG".

* (Though that term associates with gambling so heavily that one would need to still make clear the intended context- for example, board games or video games that are identified as "games of chance" wouldn't suggest gambling, but when applied to roulette, the lack of gambling intent wouldn't necessarily be clear.)

Just based off the previous consideration lotteries can fall under the scope of gambling if you've comitted something to them, but very explicitly would not if you haven't. From that, we can see a distinction between the two that would favor lottery for association to SG.

That said, historical and modern considerations of lotteries would both, however, generally imply a loss and, further, lotteries aren't expected to have a guaranteed winner (though when they're played against a loss, then they may potentially have a guaranteed loss, as per someone losing a lottery and becoming a ritual sacrifice).



Thus, while lottery may be a more accurate choice than gambling, it's still not quite accurate. Instead- and as per previous SG deliberations on the matter- the general conclusion is that SG is a raffle site, as raffles are expected to always have a winner or winners and are generally associated with not taking a loss (as paid raffles are typically done for charity, while door raffles [ie, raffles you can join in with the only cost being attendance to the event or location] are the other most common example of raffles).

Thus, while some confusion may exist as to whether a non-charitable paid raffle [ie, guaranteed winner but also requiring a loss] is also a lottery, or whether a lottery that you've comitted something to is gambling (though, as previously noted, common and legal conceptions do generally assert that they are), we can determine that SG is induitably a raffle site, and neither a lottery or gambling site.

( That said, the existence of levels has always been a bit of a contentious element, as to whether or not it should count as commiting something, so there's been some argument over that; But as has just been clarified, the site still nevertheless wouldn't fall under either lotteries or gambling by structure, even by that consideration.

However, as with lootboxes, that consideration often gets SG associated to gambling/lotteries as an exception, hence why certain sites- eg, Humble- don't view SG very favorably. Well, in theory. Humble specifically seems to be on drugs in recent years, so there's not really much point in trying to assign logic to their actions. As an alternative consideration, Steam has previously blocked links to SG, though I haven't seen that blocking occur for years now, so that may have been due to different factors entirely. )

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whoa there, hold up
why are you bringing Islam here??
gambling? sure we dont do gambling, but this site is NOT truly gambling. not using $$$ at least

1 month ago
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whoa there, hold up
why are you bringing Islam here??

You do realize me mentioning islamic extremists (not Islam - islamic extremists like al-Qaida, ISIS or Boko Haram) has nothing to do with whether Muslims gamble or not, right?
Those were two seperate trains of thought.

It was just an (obviously incomplete) list of people where I find it completely acceptable and even recommended to exclude them from your giveaways.

1 month ago
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just call them terrorist like other terrorist, no need to mention "Islam"

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Why are you bringing up Islamic extremism or even people who call for the extinction of Jews? Why are you going to extremes and giving examples that don't exist on this website? There are people that suck here, true. But know how to pick your words.

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That you believe those people don't exist here on SG only shows you haven't spent such an unhealthy amount of time on this site as I have. Which is obviously a good thing.

They usually like to keep to the shadows and not participate in the community - but they most certainly exist - and will happily leech your giveaways.

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If they keep in the shadows, then how do you know they exist anyway? I browsed comments here on daily basis for the last 7 years and encountered all kinds of stupid people, but never to the degree of calling to the death of other races and whatnot. Of course psychopaths exist everywhere, hell it could even be your neighbour, but it's just irrelevant here when we're talking about comments that get people blacklisted, as (as far as I have seen) they don't even dare to post such stuff.

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If they keep in the shadows, then how do you know they exist anyway?

Well... every once in a while they get drunk or have an episode and then they do (post).

But this is gonna be the last time I'll respond in this thread.
I didn't expect such an innocent (in my eyes) comment - that there are completely justified reasons for blacklisting - could cause such controversy.

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I agree that the blacklist feature should never be removed, one should be free to prevent people they dislike from entering their giveaways, and some people don't even do it because they dislike a person but rather to give everyone else a chance to win their GAs

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For example, take a look at a thread celebrating Ramadan from a couple of years ago (4?), there were quite some hate comments against Islam.

You will find hateful comments every now and then. My guess is that the number of users with extremist view is more or less as high as in any other sample of people.

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I can see where you're coming from; there are always red flags and people don't have to literally say something in order for others to know what they really mean. Removing the blacklist function is out of the question in my opinion anyway

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The only times I got surges of blacklists are after mentioning being a Turk, celebrating Ramadan, and bumping LGBTQ+ pride month thread.

And they usually don't comment on those discussions to avoid BLs themselves. So yeah there are all kinds of extremists/haters and they like to lurk in the shadows.

1 month ago
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A large part of my blacklist consists of members of a group titled "Hitler did nothing wrong". Just saying.

1 month ago*
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10p on Fortix. Hit me!

1 month ago
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Hi the only way to know who is to scan a users page with addons, but if the blacklister is not in the list you scan, you can't sort it out, you can just enter manually on a public GA from an user GA's sent list and watch if you have permission to see it or not (best advice is to let it go)

1 month ago
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Thought so, thanks for the reply!

1 month ago
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Not saying with 100% certainity but you might have been blacklisted for the types of games you giveaway.

points at the various Sex Adventures, Sex Diary & Comixxx games, Yummy Girls, etc

insert a "Won't someone please think of the children" meme

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Rather for the thing i said about HB, but i actually don't care about blacklists and the reasons. Eye for an eye, that is what i want.
BTW what is the reasoning behind the logic to blacklist SO for giving away some funny games? Just simply do not enter. This way the blacklister expells itself from the many not so funny games.

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There has been discussions about this as well - people prefer to blacklist the giver instead of hiding the games manually... To clean up the giveaway page.
So its not even personal, its just to hide different cheap games with one click

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As Chris said.

Personally I think if you only gave away such games then maybe that is an excuse ... which in your case isn't so.

If you gave away those trash games that are really worth 20c but dev is charging $50, that is a popular reason for blacklisting.

1 month ago
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Looking into my crystal ball I can tell your attempt of retaliation will backfire.

1 month ago
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How so?

1 month ago
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Any discussion about blacklists earns OP a bunch of blacklists. Besides, as was mentioned already blacklisting is a two-edged instrument so there's no need for you to blacklist members who blacklisted you.

1 month ago
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Actually there is a reason ,if you giveaway good games in the forum section
people will remove BL and give it after the end of the giveaway back .
So people like to blacklist back so thats not gonna happen .

1 month ago
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Thank you! You perfectly see what is the problem with this kind of blacklisting.

1 month ago
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The one that blacklist you can, theoretical, take you down from his blacklist but he can't enter instant your GAs.
After a BL you need to wait the timeframe you have blacklisted that person but the maximum are 7 days.

Do shorter as 7 days long GAs as solution to prevent that someone take you down from his Blacklist, to enter your GAs, and add you later again.

Evil and effective :-D

1 month ago
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Perfect solution for a stupid 'problem'. Thank you!

1 month ago
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I thought there's a delay of 7 days preventing you to enter giveaways of the person you'd blacklisted previously to stop this behavior?

1 month ago
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I thought there's a delay of 7 days preventing you to enter giveaways of the person you'd blacklisted previously.

Basically yes.
Or if we wanna be completely accurate: The delay is equal to the duration you had the other person blacklisted - up to a maximum of 7 days. (if I remember correctly)

Feel free to try it out if you want: Blacklist me for an hour, remove me and try to enter one of my old giveaways then SG will give you the exact duration of the Blacklist cooldown.

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Thanks for clarifying and nah - my blacklist is reserved for the naughty boys and girls 😉

1 month ago
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The only way you get to know who blacklisted you is to perform the ritual in the picture.

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1 month ago
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Thanky, working on it!

1 month ago
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Off topic, but I absolutely love that pic!

1 month ago
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Instructions unclear, neeed meow. meouw meouuuw meoUUUUW!

1 month ago
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Have a whitelist, for your ratio.

1 month ago
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Happy!

1 month ago
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Even if you fall into the dark side of SG ...
There is a cosmic rule that the maximum number of blacklists is 1000 with the power of Jedi Master CG🐈.

When I reached 1,000 cases trying to knock all the bad kids off the blacklist, I became the next generation of dark lord of the community train as a cheater blocker.😈
It is a joke, except that the maximum number of blacklists is 1000.

1 month ago
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Please stop blocking me

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1 month ago
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whitelisted!

1 month ago
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You are my hero!

1 month ago
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Whitelisted you both , have a nice day ! ^_^v

1 month ago
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just posting, comment, or even making a giveaway will gets you blacklist
but i dont really care since there's tons other of generous people

1 month ago
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True, I'm not argueing.

1 month ago
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When I can whitelist you to counter the blacklists ^_^

1 month ago
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:))

1 month ago
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Lol, I received 2 BL in the day I made this comment...
Some ppl are really something else.

So I leave this here in case there are more that wanted and can't find me

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I just did, so now you can find at least one! Glad to help

1 month ago
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Thank you, you are so generous!

1 month ago
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I think using the blacklist to better curate your giveaways is fair. Probably not the best option opposed to groups, whitelist and levels, but it's something to use. I think it's most useful in individual cases though.

Though claiming this to be a moral issue when you want to blacklist out of "revenge" seems kinda like doing the same thing. I don't think you have to be generous towards someone with more than 7000 games in their library.

1 month ago
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If some has an alt that sees everything and there is a goody, they can lift the blacklist temporarely. That is what i want to prevent, for revenge as you said.

1 month ago
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No, and honestly couldnt care less, whitelist is more interesting, i got kind souls that added me and it would be nice to know them to return a favour.

1 month ago
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You are right, i have not cared it for 9 years, but now i said 1 sentence defending HB and my blacklist skyrocketed. BTW now i made this thread and both white and black increased nicely so i don't know. I should let it go, not worth it.

1 month ago
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Please link to your comment about HB. I want to judge you too! :D

1 month ago
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Yeah, like on social media, you know who followed you and you can follow them back.

1 month ago
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You are aware of how BL's work here, right? When anyone BL's you, they simultaneously BL's themself from you too - that's how the function works.
So finding them and BL'ing them does nothing. At least not until they possibly remove you from their BL in the future, then your BL would keep them there anyway. And you too.

1 month ago
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It's kind of weird I guess but hey, to each their own.

1 month ago
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Truly, a based post.

1 month ago
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It's too much work. I erased my blacklist because of the negativity it generated in myself. Erased my whitelist too. I don't want to put any work into tracking users.

I prefer to try for the Golden Rule instead of an eye for an eye.

1 month ago
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I like your view.

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1 month ago
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A wise man once said: Karma is a bitch.

1 month ago
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ESGST has a slow methodical painstaking tool to find out, but, as others have mentioned, BLs are two-way now anyway
https://www.steamgifts.com/account/settings/profile?esgst=settings&id=wbc

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i requested this "feature" a long time ago and rafa added on ESGST. take a few min to config it right, but worth the fun.
so, use ESGST to scan threads and groups. that's the most efficient way to find those and blacklist them back.
i also usually visit their steam profile and block all communications with them to never have any further contact with them.
but i have to advise you... most blacklisters don't do shit here. they don't make giveaways, neither are active on forums.

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find a smart way to use blacklisting.
I made a giveaway with a trash game and wrote in the description that you should not join if you are not a bot because it is a bait giveaway to blacklist bots.
some people botted their way to win more games, so F them in the A with a cactus.
also same people blacklisted me back because they are butt-hurt little fags but I don't give a shit.

1 month ago
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You are an evil genious. I like you!

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