If the game is no longer available for purchase, for example this one, then SG considers that the game has a price of 0 and there is no way to fix this?

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if i try to make a new giveaway for that game, it says it's full cv at 20p. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2 years ago
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However, I forfeited $180 and went down 1 level, and other than 9 giveaways of this game, that couldn't happen.

2 years ago
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giving more than 5 copies of game means 6th and next will give reduced cv
games retroactively bundled

and thats it

also less than 5 entries=no cv

2 years ago
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Yeah-yeah, I got it.

2 years ago
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It's 20P though?
Also a bit off topic, but damn what a throwback you just gave me with this game. Completely forgot it existed, it was the first time I got scammed on buying a game 😄

2 years ago
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Yeah, 20p, but all the CVs for this game disappeared from my account.

What do you mean by "got scammed"? Can't run this game on Win 7+?

2 years ago
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Nah, bought it brand new from a store, got home and there was something wrong with the disc. The installation would fail every time for some reason.

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It must have been pretty unfun. What happened next?

2 years ago
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Nothing, money down the drain, and learned to never buy games from that supermarket chain 😄

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If the game is no longer available for purchase [..] then SG confiders that the game has a price of 0

SG gets prices by syncing to Steam store pages. Fully delisted games [ie, ones that no longer display an associated store page] don't send any pricing data to Steam store pages, resulting in an associated price of $0. Due to how frequently games get delisted and relisted, SG staff doesn't interfere by setting a manual price (which would overwrite any synced price, leading to issues if the game ever gets relisted) unless they're sure a game is permanently delisted.

Games banned and removed by Valve are explicitly ensured of not being at risk of relisting, thereby those listings will always be set manually by staff (though sometimes you'll need to put in an Add Game to List ticket to inform staff of the need to do so, as it's easy for staff to overlook individual games).

As the previous replies indicated, you can tell what P and CV value a game has on SG simply by opening up the Create a New Giveaway tab and seeing what pops up when you search for the game. If the game is both fully delisted from Steam and also lists a price, then you can be reasonably assured that that price won't change in the n future. This not only makes it more reliable than games that've been removed from Steam temporarily, but actually makes it more reliable than games that haven't been removed, given how some developers will adjust retail pricing over time.

That said, in the case of A Vampyr Story, its partial delisting seems to have only occurred May of this year, so presumably it's still sending price data to the store page, simply as a technical result of the store page itself still being up, as it seems unlikely staff would have already manually set a price for it, especially given the developer's early insistence of the game's intended eventual return to Steam and GOG.

While that makes this a trickier example of delisting dynamics, its pricing should still be fairly reliable, given that if it ever gets confirmed as being delisted, SG staff'll adjust it, and if it ever returns to Steam it'll presumably still retain the same pricing. Similarly, if it is the case that staff has already set a manual price for it, it'll simply revert to synced pricing if the title ever goes live again, and won't adjust otherwise.

So regardless of what circumstances the game currently has, it seems like the title'll still be a reasonably safe one to use for giveaway CV. Rather, it doesn't seem meaningfully more uncertain than any other, more typical giveaway.


TL;DR version: The only games really at risk of permanent loss of CV are those that have the potential of eventually going free-to-play, or those that are likely to go on and off of Steam due to licensing issues (such as Deadpool, which has been removed and relisted onto Steam on multiple occasions).

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Thanks for such a detailed answer! It is a pity that such information is not in the faq. I have 9 giveaways for this game and my level dropped from 7 to 6, and -$180 happened, so I asked this question. Would you recommend me to just wait or create a ticket?

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Have you looked through your Sent CV page yet?

I'm heading to bed, so I could only give it a quick glance, but from that glance you do still seem to be getting full unbundled CV for all copies of Vampyr Story.

I do know that PeteOzzy just did a major run-through on backlogged Add Game to Lists tickets (some dating back to 2 years ago!), so the likliest answer for your sudden CV/level drop is that you had some giveaways that should have previously been marked as bundled CV, but had been overlooked by staff until just now.

2 years ago
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Something I'm completely confused. Why do the giveaways for the same game have different CVs? or why are Narvas and NecroVisioN: Lost Company listed as 0?

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Why do the giveaways for the same game have different CVs?

While the base CV value is retroactive, due to that being determined through syncing with Steam, CV reduction (ie, due to a game going reduced value or free) isn't retroactive, but set to the date where the game actually had the associated promotion. Thereby, if a certain game went reduced value¹ on [for example] May 24th 2018, then only giveaways created on or after May 24th 2018 would be considered Reduced Value (ie, reduced to 15% CV value). All giveaways made before then would still retain their full CV value.

Of course, at times it may still feel retroactive, given that a game may have been bundled at the time you created your giveaway with you being unaware of that fact, and with staff only updating the listing recently.. but that's just an unfortunate hiccup of the site not having sufficient staff (especially ones interested in handling the lists, even more especially ones willing to properly learn the procedures related to properly managing them).

or why are Narvas and NecroVisioN: Lost Company listed as 0?

If those games aren't free or delisted, then the likliest answer is that you had fewer than 5 entries in the associated giveaway, and the giveaway wasn't public (as you need at least 5 giveaways in group or private giveaways to gain any CV). Taking a look, Narvas was in a 2-entry group giveaway, and NecroVision: Lost Company was in a 4-entry group giveaway.

The topic of entry count requirements is covered in bullet point 2 of "Contributor Value and Levels" within the site faq.


¹ Since this confuses some users, just a "if someone needs it" side-note that "Reduced Value" tagging on games isn't determined by them being in a promotion labeled as a bundle (despite some of us in the community still referring to that as the game being "bundle listed" or "bundled"), but of them reaching a certain degree of discount through any means.

The absolute lowest the discount can be for there to be any risk of the game being bundle-listed is -85%, but in practice games will generally only be at 90% or higher before they're bundle-listed, with considerations for their being listed being determined based on the quantity of games claimed from the given promotion, as well as some other factors. Meanwhile, games with a 95% or higher discount are all-but guaranteed to be bundle-listed.

This valuation is all calculated relative to the United States Dollar. To avoid various forms of CV exploitation, if a game reaches a significant enough discount in non-USD currency, it'll also be added to the list. Thus, if a game costs 50% less to purchase in a non-US currency (and doesn't have region restrictions in place preventing the game from being traded to those in other regions), then that game'll essentially only need to reach half the discount in that lower value currency to be added to the bundle list, relative to the discount that'd be needed in USD.

Many sites only sell in USD, limiting consideration of such issues, but where that's not the case (or when gifting through Steam's client) looking an unbundled game up on SteamDB can be a quick way to check against possible cross-currency issues, as SteamDB pages list pre-calculated currency conversions for easy referencing. Conversely, sometimes a price glitch limited to a specific currency can be enough to cause a game to be

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I thought the CV goes down when 5+ games are in one giveaway, not the whole account. Mistake. This is actually more logical. I didn’t really think about 0 CV, my head was splitting just at that moment. I then simply do not understand where more than $150 went from my account, which lowered my level. Probably, the Beast Quest that I giveaway on December 16-17, 2021 did not have a reduced CV then, and recently one of the moderators decides that the CV decreased on December 11, 2021. I just can’t find another explanation, because I remember that at that time the Beast Quest had a full CV. And just a week ago I had level 7. Weird things.

2 years ago
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If you do a giveaway for this game don't forget to remind the winner to use dgvoodoo2 wrapper or the game won't launch(Win 10x64).

2 years ago
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Yeah, a warning would be nice, but to be honest, I like Tristar's answer about this.

2 years ago
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I dropped down to lv 9 because Super Cloudbuilt became purchase disabled, and the CV should return to me when the game becomes available again. Publishing agreement ended but Steam version will be updated and make available for purchase some time soonish

2 years ago
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I hope so.

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Closed 2 years ago by Librett0.