Main problem is how easy to get almost everything greenlit on Steam.
Bundle sellers only care about quantity not quality.
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Im more annoyed with this massive Overture giveaways that promote greenlit and crappy stuff... :/
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At least in a sense that problem resolves itself, because once you win a copy it is automatically hidden :P
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You can also hide these horrors with the "eye" icon next to the steam one after the game title. No need to add crap to your steam library to get rid of eyesores.
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problem resolves itself, because once you win a copy it is automatically hidden
This method is not working...
I've entered 240x Overture GA-s to this date.
Never won.
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It looks like other devs are doing the same thing, making multiple giveaways of 50 copies to stay featured to the maximum level.
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The only way to do that is to make sure that only quality content is approved on Greenlight. A certain standard needs to be set.
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I agree with you. Sadly, the "certain standard" is particularly difficult to decide on. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
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Welcome to the Sony conundrum, set standards are what Nintendo and Sega tried doing back in the 80's after Atari had all its issues, which has become a fairly universal console. Sony is just starting to understand the hardships their 'set standards' put on indie devs, but PC has been chugging along all this time running on the basic Atari principle. In the PC market there will always be 100 piles of trash for every gem, Vavle can try all they want to set a standard, but there will be holes in any PC system they try, unless they start doing manual contracts with every release like the consoles have been. And where theres holes, theres devs that will abuse the system.
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People buy even the worst games on sales ,if those have cards. As long as people pay, those kind of games will stay.
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Exactly. It doesn't matter how shitty the game is. As long as it drops cards, people will buy it.
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Yup, so many of these el cheapo games are just wrapping paper for the cards and missing stick of bubble-gum inside.
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Since 'Craft Badges and Level Up Your Profile' is the most profitable Valve's free to play game, nothing is going to change in that regard.
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Sad but true. And the junk peddlers are well aware of this. Listen to the interview that Jim Sterling did with Digital Homicide (Slaughtering Ground, Temper Tantrum and so on), the developer even brings up cards as a way to defend selling junk.
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It would be nice to have some quality checks with games but as steam went "fuck it" and just allowed its users to curate what gets added it was a steady roll downhill as more crap got on GL with pretty looking screenshots.
Even the review system can be a bit of joke, ten reviews isn't enough to get a good feel for a game when half of them are jokes.
Hopefully your group will be good. :)
Hhow do you feel about the other side of the coin?
Where people are harassing devs for free keys?
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Don't forget all the reviews people make [Thumbs Up] but the actual review is nothing but pointing out all the issues with the game, frequently ending with "0/10, would refund again"
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What is the problem with another game on Steam, that no one wants to play and has devastingly bad reviews I don't see the problem with that, just don't play it!
Just to be clear: I understand that developers, who showed an intent of just ripping off people, by constanly bringing 10-Minute games through greenlight, while promising thousands of features to be added in the future, but basically stopping developement once they are greenlit, should be punished. And I'm looking at you Narrow Monolith -.-*
But some people just make a crappy game, without the intent of making it bad on purpose - they just want to present their stuff to a greater audience and become better developers, creating better games in the end. Im fine with that, I really don't see a downside of having too many games on steam - I don't have to play or buy them.
I can't see how this group distinguishes between a developer that is a scam-artist and one, who is just an "intermediate" developer who wants to improve his/her skills.
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+Agree
Especially now with the refund system, it's almost impossible for someone to be scammed that way. If you saw all the negative reviews, didn't bother to check the videos and just went ahead and bought it anyway, and then played it for over 2 hours, it's really your fault at that point.
What annoys me is games getting good "joke" reviews because they're cheap and have cards even when they're otherwise blatantly terrible.
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Bump, but Valve isn't gonna care, they make too much on on greenlight and cheap crappy games with cards.
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Cheers for the GA, and yes I agree it's very annoying how games/devs can get away with ripping off other creations.
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It is something I'm vexed with myself. There have now been several examples of people spending a few minutes cludging some unity assets together without any gameplay then pushing it out as a 'early access' game. And regardless of how obvious a scam it is and how badly it might do on Steam or even if it gets pulled from sale on Steam (Journey of the Light as an example) it still makes cash from bundle sites.
Which is clearly just inspiring other people to do the same - and as long as it continues bundles are just going to become full of this junk.
Bump and happy to join your group!
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Even though I doubt you will have much luck, here is a good dev to go against
http://steamcommunity.com/app/388390/discussions/0/541906348056141596/
Refuses to hand out keys in IndieRoyale Debut 11 buyers, because the company doesn't exist any more. Never mind that the bundle was old enough that he got paid unlike more recent inclusions under Bad Juju, who still make an effort to deliver keys.
WTFOMGames [developer] - 18 minutes ago
Regarding to my agreement with desura... Oh sh...! Desura isnt exist anymore)))
He also makes a pile of trash and doesn't mind ripping off other games. One of his current Greenlight titles is Mario with a gun, called The Plumber and the Princess.
Edit - ****er has gone through the thread deleting everything. What a ####.
Edit the 2nd - Mille helpfully screen capped some of the deleted posts. Thanks.
http://i.imgur.com/EMN6vsI.png
http://i.imgur.com/zDuVqTC.png
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I was just about to post this here :D Anyways, glad to help with screenshots! :) Ps. It's Mille :P
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Thanks Delta. The remit has somewhat changed in the group description page, instead providing guidance to indie developers instead of simply just calling them out for any wrong doing. I'll look into it. Cheers mate :)
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Awesome, they like me so much, they left a message on my profile :D
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Not sure how much it'll help but joined the group.
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I think this group is on the right track, consumer action is how you get the market to change. Joined.
And awesome giveaway.
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This is definitely structured wrong. For something like this to be meaningful, it needs to be carefully researched, presented factually, and indexed for easy searching. A steam group could be used to gather data, but a public collaborative effort is just going to result in people listing every game they don't like, leaving out evidence, trolling, and generally making it a bad resource.
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Yeaaah, I have to second this. For every 10 good people with geniunely good intents, there will be one frothing lunatic and one subtly poisonous group-think saboteur.
Even if the majority of the members have lucid points worth bringing up, hard evidence, good advise for the developers, and a patient, empathic demeanour... it only takes a handful of overly entitled or occasionally venomous people to stir up an echo chamber and ruin the reputation of the group (or outright try to weaponise it amongst themselves). Such a place would have to be heavily moderated,
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I think you're way toooo optimistic about this. 10 genuine, 1 lunatic?
1 genuine, 10 lunatics, that's more probable.
This is madness?
This... Is... Steam Community!!!
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Actually I don't have a great deal of faith in people, it's more that even if you only have a 1-in-10 idiot ratio, the community can still easily implode. \:3/
Which is a shame, because the group has a cool idea behind it. Just really hard to realise.
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steam is down at the moment but I'm totally down with this, I 'll also like to know about such scams which are done by AAA companies (or unethical things like Konami adding microtransactions to 60$ game). we expect your YouTube updates about such things being posted in the group :)
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back in the good ol days, only valve handpicked games from greenlight, not people, so quality was not an issue, but due to the overwhelming submissions, valve got overwhelmed, and handed the power to the people, which is truly sad :/
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That system had other issues as well. Valve was quite inconsistent in what they considered a "quality game", which meant that some absolute garbage still got through, while some really nice games got turned down. I'm really on the fence in regards to which system I think is better, the current anarchy or the old system. It's clear that both are highly flawed though.
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What do you mean by ripoffs? You really haven't said much.
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Have a bump for more visibility.
In my opinion if a developer promises certain things (eg keys in bundles) and fails to deliver, is obviously ripping off others work or is toxic towards the community then that is a major concern. Otherwise I am generally forgiving even of terrible games, the market is big enough to cater for everyones tastes.
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it's always good idea to have more information about too greedy devs, there are too many of them now
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Are there other ways people get ripped off besides devs not fulfilling promised keys? I don't even pay attention anymore tbh, I only buy groupees greenlight bundles lately because of how easy it is to see if new keys are added. I know I got some royale and early gala bundles where keys aren't being provided for whatever reason but I really don't want to go through all the bundles to find out which ones.
Anyways I joined.
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Sometimes there is no way knowing is crappy without buying.
With all that hype, false reviews. For example GTA5, this game i just not addictive or something special for 60€ game. You can play it for 20 hours max.
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If you did not like GTA V, then that means that it's not a game for you, but that does not mean that the game is "bad", just that it's not for you. GTA V was not broken, it did not contain false promises (and so on), and personally if I were to write a review for it, it would be a positive one. This thread is about an entirely different issue than games that are not for absolutely everyone.
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Sorry, GTA5 was only example. Don't take it too serious.
In my own opinion it is a scam, because i know GTA from GTA1&2 when it came out on PS1.
I know 10 people who play or played GTA5 (average game time about 10hours) max. 20 this is not enough good for 60€ game.
This only my own opinion.Now, let's go back to my first sentence in previous post, this was about this topic.
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I'm just going to say that you have a very strange definition of what constitutes a scam, one that's not really supported by any dictionary. For GTA V to be a scam, they would have to intentionally promised you something that they did not deliver. Also, evidence of false reviews for GTA V?
Something can be crap without being a scam.
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So I've had enough of some of these games and their developers who rip consumers off in some way or other, and who are allowed to continue to be featured within various bundles. Games like Zombie Zoeds (formerly Zombie Zoids or something ridiculous) and Journey of the Light spring to mind.
Please join if you want to make your voices heard.
Now on to the giveaway.
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