takes a good 5 hours if you are lucky to drop all the cards for a game that's 100% completed in 1 or 2, or is too bad to keep playing it (as we are intended to) for more than a few minutes

let alone the 2 first hours cap that you need to reach in order to trigger the drop of cards

is that just developpers wanting to get better global stats on hours played for their games ? (edit : someone reminded me that it's because of the refunds policy, it stacks i guess)

sigh

edit : thread is not about neglecting games like if they were made only to get cards..

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I think it's so games aren't bought for the sole purpose of getting cards.
People want their game to be played and loved, not just idled or play half-arsed to get some money back.

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i didn't say the games are bought for the sole purpose of getting cards. but cards are there. and they take too long to drop. so I don't see why we couldn't talk about it. It won't harm the game or anything. you're off topic

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You think it's annoying, the noob explained why it is as it is = you're talking about it. I don't see anything off topic here (except maybe my post...) :p

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yeah sorry i read the beggining wrong

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is that just developpers wanting to get better global stats on hours played for their games ?

No, its steam refund policy.

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It was brought in as a result of Valve's updated refund policy. Once you've played a game past two hours the refund option gets less likely to succeed.

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Not less likely, it just expires

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Not from what I've heard. You can still ask for a giveaway and sometimes succeed. It's just that less than 2 weeks and under 2 hours means it's basically no questions asked refund is granted, assuming the person is not abusing the system and they've been flagged as such.

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Nah, they started to take much longer to drop way before they changed the refunds policy.

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Longer yes, but the 2hr no-drop window was only after the refund policy change.

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Before the new refund policy, it was up to the developers how long before the first card drop and between each successive card drop. The new refund policy just added two hours before the first card drop - the devs still decide how long between card drops - Steam has nothing to do with that.

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I didn't know it was up to the devs. So there is no luck whatsoever involved?

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No, they're all on timers set by the devs. Some are just extremely sadistic and set the timers for a couple hours each (had a couple games like that lol).

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I think most are reasonable enough to set them relative to the length of their game and the amount of drops though. Games with more than three drops almost always drop much more frequently, and similar for short indie games.

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It's almost as if we're intended to actually be playing the games. Preposterous!

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Use jshackles' Idle Master if you just want to harvest cards.

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+1

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I don't think its ever taken me 5 hours to get all drops from one game..even games with many drops

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lucky

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5.5 hours for all the drops from Resident Evil Revelations, but that was before the refund policy. ;)

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took me some 7 of idling for it

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I have had a few games that took 10 hrs to get all card drops from. :/ thankfully only a few

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Holy crap! What games were those?

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took me 15 hours to get all cards from Wasteland 2 ^^

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before the refund policy it took me like 6-7 hours to get all the cards for Awesomenauts, I think that's the worst I've farmed. Fortunately I like playing bot matches in that game and I've played more beyond the card farm :)

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There's Idle Master to solve your issue. Use it and you don't have to bother about farming anymore.

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Try the new idlemaster.

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games like if they were made only to get cards

( o_O)
Were they made for something else?????

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There should be an option to click - something like "I dont want to be a part of refunding policy with this game" and after confirming you would be able to drop cards immediately. It would be nice. Yes.

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or to remove the system from the retail games

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refund was introduced because of EU laws and adding such an option would be against the law aswell. I think it would be better if cards would drop after the 2 weeks refund time and no 2hours mark.

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they should put an option when installing greenlit games like "i don't want to play this game, please give me the cards and delete it from my library". :3

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Maybe they should make it so after 14 days (game no longer refundable) your drop times go back to what they originally were. There have been a couple games I beat in an 1hr - 1hr30min and no drops and the games have been on my account long past the refund date. So I'm forced to idle it or replay it.

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and/or the second you hit the 2 hour mark you get all the card drops you'd normally get in 2 hours, even before the two week period is up

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I have Skara - The Blade Remains +18 hours played and nothing! + bunch other games, something very odd is happening on steam...

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It sucks...wish there was option when buying a game that would let you decide if you want to refund or not. That way we could let go the two hours of not getting single card.

It took me 7,5 hours for cards to drop once -_-

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After the initial 2-hour requirement, the individual drop rates are determined by the developers of the game. And the drop rates are greatly slowed down if you have more than one Steam game running at a time.

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I know that, heh after selling more than 900 cards according to my email.
Lately it seemed bit more optimised, usually less than hour for all cards to drop after the two hours.

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I agree. I don't idle any of my games, maybe a few hours in CS:GO when new community cases get added and are worth ~$10. Other than that I always play my games, even for farming cards (and that is why I have tons of games that still have card drops remaining.) It's bad enough when you finish a game and still have a card drop or two left and there is no new game + or any type of replay value, just have to start over and stop the second you get the card (assuming it's not a really good game that's worth playing a second time so soon) or just not get the last few card drops.

What I really hate is that, once again for the umpteenth time, normal steam users are being "punished" for what a few abusers are doing. Steam never tries to find a good solution that doesn't make it more unpleasant for most users, they just go for the easiest/fastest solution and their user base be damned.

/me is sad

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How do you idle CSGO for drops? I can't find how to do it properly. lol

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How I do it:
-start CSGO
-mute it and make it run in window mode*
-go for Community Servers
-type "idle" in search
-[added] click REFRESH LIST
-set servers from most populated
-pick one on top
-alt+tab, do whatever you want
-if server has annoying ads that can't be muted: cl_disablehtmlmotd 1 in console

*Some time ago minimalizing Source games could crash then during loading screens, so I prefer to just run it in window

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I look for idle servers but they are always empty...

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Ahhhh, right, forgot about one point. Let me edit it a bit.

Totally forgot you have to refresh list when you search for server, as otherwise it shows like 10 empty servers.

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yeah, well they could make it so you don't need the two hours cap to have card drops, but you can't sell them before two weeks of having the game. if you ask for a refund before the two weeks then the refund is declined, and you can't sell the cards while able to ask for a refund, but you still can get others to complete your badges, but can't use "tied" cards for crafts for the 2 weeks. and you can't ask for a refund either if you have played more than 2 hours anyway, and if you don't have played more than 2 hours but have droped cards and ask for a refund, then you have your refund and the cards are removed from your inventory. would make things much better i think

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use the steamapp id trick, use a small game & let the game idle while you're not playing

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SteamIdleMaster does the same thing without installing any games. In fact, you can run multiple instances of it to get a bunch of your games up to the two hour mark, then IdleMaster each game individually to get the card drops. I run it overnight and wake up to a load of card drops. :)

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I already know about it ,but was to afraid to get banned ( even there are no case of banning because of it ) , lol, so I play safe and used the steamid trick

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So, you're using the appid trick from fear of of being banned for using an app that uses the same appid trick?

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+1

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Why would Steam ban users of Idle Masters? The more cards drop, the more cards are sold, and as a result the more money Steam gets (they get a cut for every transaction).

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Idle Master Helper can lauch several games at the same time (batch of 25 games) to complete the 2hs of game play you need to wait until the cards start to drop, then the cards start to drop at "normal" rate.

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now its 3-4 h for drop...

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Now that you mention it I haven't gotten a single card in FOREVER!

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Refund should be available only for games bought straight from Steam Store, and these games should have this crappy 2 hours wait time.
Games bought as steam key (for example from Humble Bundle) shouldnt have this 2 hours to drop cards, and refund thing aswell.

[buying bundle for 1$ with game for 10$ and return it - legit :) ]

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+1

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the really sad thing is that they onlt give half of them in every game

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Thank the abusers using idle tools, that's why we can't have nice things.

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That was never the problem, but rather the combination of refunds and people abusing that for a few cents.

Also, really? This topic didn't need to return.

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Do you really think anyone would bother refunding games for 1-2 cards that would drop in meantime without mass buy-mass idle-mass refund scripts? Not even people in third world are so desperate.

And seeing idle abuse tools cost us several nice features we had in past sales I'll stand by my opinion, I miss achievement hunts :(

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People will scam you for $1. One dollar. ONE DOLLAR.

Of course they are that desperate.

Achievement hunts were dead long before Valve even started dropping cards, so not sure how idle-abuse tools affected those - at least don't confuse idling with achievement-cheating.

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People WERE

Throw in games that are expensive and never bundled so they could get some of those expensive $60 cards...

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I know. But the refund policy changed it all.

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First, steam should detect if a game wasn't buy in the steam store or has more of 14 days, for that then the cards drop without the +2 hours of wait.

Second, all the games should drop the cards with the same wait time, 15-20 minutes max between each card (actually the developer set this time and a lot of games drop cards with 1 hour or more of wait, very soporific).

Third and last, retroactive drop cards, e.g. if you had 10 hours of gameplay in a game without cards and then launch the cards for this game, automatic all the cards should drop in your inventory without wait nor idling (maybe with the requeriment of launch the game first).

But maybe this will happen never û_û

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