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Dammit, I'm trying to reduce the size of my wish list not increase it :P

Add Always Sometime Monsters to that list as well.

Finding Paradise should be coming out soon. I think it is the sequel to both To The Moon and A Bird Story.

A Bird Story is less than 1 hour long, and not even half as good as To the Moon

TIL Cherry Tree High Comedy Club was made in RPG Maker XP. I've also heard Doom and Destiny is a funny game. Hylics looks crazy! Wishlisted!

Yes, sadly a great game that doesn't work for most users can't be considered as a good product on Steam itself. Scratches crashes minutes into the game, one of the Cossacks games flicker so much that it's unplayeable for me, Dark Messiah ofMight and Magic doesn't even start up for me. While the games themselves are good, I can't play them, so they fall under the unplayeable category :\

Heh i of course didnt mean to discredit you for not giving some "proper and objective definition of what we should understand as 'bad game' in this context".
Such thing is very hard to come by and even more so people would easily disagree with it, given the subjective nature of such attribute.

I see where you are coming from. For me however that's not an excuse, probably because I try most of the time to see things not only from my point of view. Something that many people don't bother with.

Mozart and Shakespeare don't fit my tastes as well but saying what they did is 'bad' because I don't like it sounds nothing but selfish and rude for me. And somehow stupid in addition to that. I have no issue saying I dislike something, neither I have with other people doing that. It is more that I have issues with people always exaggerating and generalizing their point of view, calling everything either 'shit' or 'godlike'. And 'shit' is close to 'bad' for me.

So I agree with you, people judging things according to their personal taste is not a sign of a 'spoilt society'- as you said, that's probably the normal way. What's a sign of a 'spoilt society' however imho is a lack of expression, objectivity and mutual respect when people downvote things. I have the feeling many people consider everything that's not perfect in their eyes automatically as bad without the skill to graduate (and assume everybody else is doing the same, but that's another issue). Personally when I consider something 'bad' it has to be really (!) bad. Not just dislike.

"None of the games are "objectively" good or bad. There's no way to "technically" measure the quality of a game. For example, if we speak of the quality of, say, a car, then we can objectively measure it; we can tell how comfortable it is, how much fuel it consumes, how safe it is, how much noise it makes etc etc."

For games you can objectively measure:

• How often it crashes
• If it provides a consistent framerate
• What framerates it achieves
• How much memory it consumes, and wether it leaks memory or not.
• Loading times
• How long controls take to respond.
• If it does things you don't expect it to do, like recording keystrokes from outside it's own process, generate suspicous amounts of network traffic etc.

And you can compare that to similar games on similar hardware to quantify if it runs on acceptable standards..
So from quality of programming, you can measure the quality of a game. (And incidentally, by those criteria almost anything made with GameGuru is objectively bad)

You can also measure with reasonable accuracy:

• Wether or not it contains the advertised content
• How many stock assets it uses vs. original content
• If any sound behaves in a sensible way. Does it go more quiet when you move away from point of origin, is there anything that is excessively loud or way too soft ?
• If any AI involved is up to decent standards (like: does it honor line of sight, or will it just shoot you straight through a wall when it reasonally should no way of knowing where to shoot?)

Which helps quantify how much effort was put into the product to make it stand out from the crowd.
That starts veering away from being fully objective though, but then, so does measuring how comfortable a car is.

How comfortable a car is is pretty subjective, no? Depends on your size and shape, among other concerns.

And, while you have a point about the subjectivity of the quality of the arts, you go too far. For example, there is a lot about movies that is objective: is the lighting well done, is it audible, etc. Even beyond that, you can take a work of art at its own word, so to speak. What's it trying to achieve? That's an interesting question, and not entirely subjective. Two people trying to have a discussion to answer that question can go back to the text and point out evidence for their opinion. Discussions like this are much more fruitful than simply two people taking turns saying things like, "I liked the story." "I liked the actor's face." "I didn't like the music."

Quality of the arts is more subjective than, say, the quality of a hammer. But they are not entirely subjective. It's more like a spectrum. And you can learn to fit the rules of discussion to the degree of subjectivity and objectivity that the subject allows. It is a false dichotomy to say that a subject is either objective to a mathematical degree of certainty OR it is totally subjective.

xDDDDDD

Oh don't worry, we might have lost DigiHom, but there are hundreds of others who are trying to take their place.

I liked it. Maybe it is (much) worse than its predecessors. But people should overthink their objectivity, when they say something is 'terrible'. What's wrong with saying, something is just 'mediocre'?

A very boring casual FPS. The guns don't act much different mostly because you can just, you know, change them into another one. The graphics are pretty ugly. Maybe you mean aesthetic but only certain parts of it. It's as buggy as any game on the engine. And who cares about world size anymore lmao what is this 2008. also it's really not that big. And you know, that's fine and all but why market it as an RPG. Why market it as having freedom. Sounds like literal lying to me :?