Mmm...you didn't mention anything about dedicated GPU...do you have one?
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And there is your problem. That's not a dedicated GPU, so any kind of 3D gaming will be iffy at best.
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I don't know where you from but i use a AMD 260X 2GB (small budget GPU) and i can play PUBG in modest configs, talking about AAA games i played Rise of Tomb Raider with very nice configs, GTA V with most configs at maximum.
About price, it cost something like R$300 or $83 in a direct conversion, but i'm pretty sure you can find it cheaper elsewhere, but you can get a new GeForce 1030 and achieve the same result as mine. For comparison, my GPU it's pretty most the same as GeForce 750Ti.
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I'd recommend an EVGA GTX 1050 2GB card, it's really cheap nowadays and will last you some years. You can play most recent games at medium-high settings at 1080p, or most of the time max them out at 720p. You can't really go wrong, it's about $100 USD.
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If you want to do entry level gaming, the Nvidia GTX 1050 2GB or AMD RX 560 4GB should both be able to play all modern titles without an issue. If you want to be able to run all games on High-Ultra settings and feel safe for 2-3 years at least, go for either the GTX 1060 6GB or RX 580 8GB for the best performance from a mid range card, or get the GTX 1060 3GB or RX 580 4GB if you're willing to give up Ultra in games that require tons of VRAM, and get the best performance per dollar.
That all said, whether or not you should get the Nvidia GTX or AMD RX cards comes down to price mainly. Go with whichever saves you the most money, as on average, competing cards are typically only a few percent performance difference on average across multiple titles, tho which performs better comes down to the game, API and optimization.
Lastly, as for what will fit in your computer... Grab a measuring tape, check the dimensions of your case, and always read dimensions of graphics cards you're considering buying. Most retailers like newegg provide the details.
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not true.
gaming above 1280x720 resolution might be iffy, certain games might be iffy, newer games WILL be iffy or non functional. Theres a plethora of games that will run at base laptop res perfectly well assuming you dont like crap like motion blur etc.
on the other hand, (to the OP) its really not a good thing to have for desktop gaming.
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That's why I specified 3D gaming. Sure, they could play something older like Half-Life perfectly, but if you look at the original post., they're not to play older games like that.
If they want to play the modern 3D games that they mentioned with any kind of consistency, they will need an upgrade.
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I never said you did. I was merely giving an example of a playable 3D game on his system.
We know very well that "Theres a plethora of games that will run at base laptop res perfectly", but that is not what this discussion is about. The OP is having trouble running some newer 3D games , and I told them an integrated card is going to have trouble running them.
but you stay in your little bubble.
Ok then?
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Thing is your conclusions are flawed. I play slightly older/less demanding 3D games on a 4200 and its flawless. It depends on the settings you use. Even my EEE netbook can handle things a decade newer than Half-Life. Him mentioning a bubble seems more accurate than your statements, because you did not get your opinion from Google, it wouldn't get that wrong. So go educate yourself and come back with a more valid opinion ;)
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Again, things are being taken out of context. The op is not wanting to play "slightly older/less demanding 3D games". I was telling him that the games he wants to play are not going to work well on a non-dedicated GPU (I know, because I used one for gaming up until last year)
I guess I should have been more specific and said " Your 3D gaming will be iffy at best." in my first reply, for people who were not familiar with the games the OP is talking about.
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Not sure if you forgot the list the GPU or if you don't have one. If its the second there is your problem.
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Might be your graphics card since it is far form being the newest unfortunately, might be your CPU running hot, might be your drivers being too old... I'd recommend checking these things, maybe with a benchmark tool too... just to be sure, you could also check your Windows power savings settings.
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It really depends on what your budget is. What might "break your wallet" might not break another persons.
Under $200 to a lot of people is considered a budget graphics card. You can get different versions of a 1050 between $110 and $180.
EDIT: The original post was edited a few times and it originally was about a laptop and now it's about a PC. Some other things don't really make much sense if you followed the thread since the beginning.. Just an overall confusing thread.
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I've just recently bought a 750TI for just a few bucks, if you're short on money this would definitely be an improvement... or like others recommended a 1050TI, can't really say much about about AMD cards since I only ever had one and this was years ago :>.
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A Geforce 1060 6GB is what I use, runs everything I've tried just fine. Should be rough 9-10x as fast as your current GPU. A Geforce 1050Ti would be a cheaper option but still a nice step up from what you currently have.
That said, everyone is expecting the next generation of Geforce GPUs to drop within a few months, so if you're patient it's probably worth waiting atp.
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If you don't mind older generations that would be a huge improvement over your GPU, a GT 730 or R7 250 should be available cheaply.
GTX 1050, 1050Ti and 1060 offer great power for very affordable prices, in the current generation. Or you wait till the prices drop with the next generation.
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Before buying a new graphic card I would check https://www.videocardbenchmark.net .
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I wonder if the "HD" 4600 wasn't my "graphic card" on my old desktop. Almost sure it was a 4XXX at least. It was garbage indeed, though my CPU was under yours and 4GB RAM.
I remember that Skyrim had very low fps (and that was playing full low specs and without mods). Murdered Soul Suspect (full low) almost killed the computer.
If you're broke as you said, super bling bling graphic cards from outer space can be hard to get.
Maybe a simple GTX950/960 ? Okay, it won't run games like FarCry 5 (even full low), but that should be enough to play the vast majority of the games. Maybe not all of them on ultra specs of course, but hey, student + broke = sadly sacrifices to make. You'll get the 10 000$ computer once graduated (with a lot of luck).
And check for a 1050, might worth a few extra bucks.
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I don't know about the price for each, there is of course a lot of work to do, to check on many stores and websites the best offer to get.
And indeed, X50 means "meh", "X60" means "better", "X70" or "X80" means "so good", for the GTX at least. Better have a 970 than a 1050. A X70 is probably better than a "X+2"50.
In details, it's a pain, with all the variations for each card, with the Ti, 2/4/6GB, different marks, etc.
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A friend of mine still has his 770 bought like 5 years ago, and he can play everything, though for the first time, he had to lower the specs to play Mass Effect Andromeda with decent fps.
Another friend of mine bought a few months ago a desktop for 900€ in sale (full price was 1100€) to replace her antique piece of garbage. She was so excited to finally get into the "new era of gaming". I didn't have the courage to say that she got bamboozled by the vendor, with a GTX 1050, 8GB RAM, a okay CPU, and not even a SSD for freaking 900€.
But anyway, a GTX X50 should always be the cheapest (except an antique X70, like a 370). To the OP, a 950 (960 seems indeed expensive) should be okay-ish and should costs around 100-150$, maybe more maybe less with the sale and shipping.
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You need a dedicated GPU for your games to be run on high settings without lagging, i can suggest you with your rig, you need an AMD RX 580 8GB from the red team, or a GTX 1060 6GB from the green team.
atm my rig is exactly like you, but i have a R9 280X Toxic, I'm playing on 1080p resolution and have no lag in most modern games with high or ultra settings (with mostly medium shadows and lower anti-aliasing levels) with 40-60 FPS. for me if someday i want to upgrade my GPU only, i will definitely go for a RX 580 8GB or some other equivalent product from AMD.
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well mostly it depends on what resolution you are playing, for 1080p gaming, a gtx 1060 6gb or rx 580 8gb are sufficient, and your rig is fine. because if you go for higher cards like gtx 1070 or AMD Vega, your CPU will be a bottleneck for your GPU and you can't get 100% load and usage of your GPU in gaming and you kinda wasted your money unless you upgrade your CPU to a higher model in future.
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Yes, the CPU and RAM look sufficient. Things will get loads better with a GPU.
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Yep, based on the specs you posted your GPU is the only thing holding you back.
Though, if you don't already have one, and SSD can help load times quite a bit.
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Your GPU is the issue here and your resolution. If you have the ram set as dual channel, then you will see slightly improvements. Also note that you can tweak game settings [ game specific] to squeeze the best out of your current config. You current spec should run games like titanfall, battlefield 4, gta iv with low settings. However, if you want to have atleast decent experience and avoid tweaking and stuff like that, it is recommended you get a dedicated GPU. I got an email yesterday about a Nvidia promotion for their gtx 1050ti and you will get a free ssd.
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I only know a little about high spec hardware.
I think it's bottle neck on the graphic, your RAM is 16GB wow.
Some people complaining about this card in forum
If you want to know about the comparation, you can check
https://benchmarks.ul.com/hardware/gpu/Intel+HD+Graphics+4600+review
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+HD+4600
As for new graphic card recommendation, would you mention how much approx budget for that ?
Maybe it can help other people to pick recommendation.
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if you wanna stick with intel get GTX 1050Ti, some of the models (there's different ones like mini/1 fan/2 fans so get which fits your case) most of them should be cheap or on sales now since Super Duper gamers are purchasing newer models now like 1080.
Also, for most new GPU's make sure your monitor has an hdmi plug, otherwise you will need to buy an active VGA converter (but you can get it on ebay for a few bucks). But you mentioned you plug it into hdmi TV so you should be fine there.
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What does an Intel CPU have to do with the Nvidia 1050Ti?
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Ah, bad wording on my part. I mean if he doesn't want to try AMD. It's apparent that the op doesn't have the most extensive knowledge and not all gpu's are compatible with all cpu's.
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Pretty much any card that has Dedicated 2GB or more GDDR is going to be loads/tons better than a built in graphics card.
I personally use a 670 4GB Zotac card that I've had forever, which you can get for around 150 to 300 on eBay, not sure what it would retail for new it was like $800 but that was years ago. Plays pretty much anything and will continue to play pretty much anything as long as they keep updating the drivers. In awhile the standard will shift from 4GB cards being able to play pretty much anything to 6GB - 8GB cards so it really depends on your budget and what you want out of your graphics card.
So long as you're willing to tweak your graphics settings/resolution for new games you'll be able to play them with decent frames (30-50)
EDIT: Be aware of ghosting when using TV's as gaming monitors where images stay on the screen for a second when moving fast etc usually noticeable in action games.
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Depending on the available budget of course try to get a GPU with at least 2GB of Ram. Second-hand anything from an AMD R9 270x or Nvidia 760 upwards will produce acceptable framerates (30fps-ish under high settings) even on newer titles. However prices on used cards can be ridiculous because people don't want to accept their cards lost their value quickly or just hope someone will be stupid enough to buy it ;)
And make sure to look at reviews on the specific models before you buy a card. Sometimes manufacturers will release a card with supposedly more Ram or higher GPU clock-speed and chnage the specs in other areas to save money. Don't fall for the marketing hype.
And some cards can have annoyingly loud fans or coil whine when working hard. Don't expect to be able to change that kind of behaviour through bios or hardware modifications. It's not worth the hassle, costs time and money and will invalidate any warranties.
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despite when i check on websites like canyourunit, i should be able to run it fluidly
I don't know this website, but if it's not even able to tell you that you're missing a proper GPU I would stop using it...
Otherwise, not much to add as you've had a bunch of suggestions already. I'm on a laptop (because I need the mobility :/) and I've been using a GTX 1060 for over a year and a half, it works nicely for me, in <=1920x1080 (I always play in windowed mode if possible). But what you want to get will depend on what kind of performance you want.
Ideally you'd check benchmarks to see what fits your needs (and your budget), otherwise, well the 1050 could be enough, the 1050Ti is faster, the 1060 is even faster, and the 1070 starts talking 4K.
I haven't been following the GPU news lately, so I know a new generation is coming but I don't know if it will bring really noticeable improvements or not. Similarly, I don't know about Radeon GPUs: they could provide interesting perf/price ratios, that's often the case with AMD.
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LOOK HERE Original Poster:
It seems people are throwing out bad advice and confusing numbers. ( As you said you were no expert ) I guess you want easy to understand information?
If you want to play today's games (and be ok for 2-3 years to come) at Medium to High settings... the best cards is the GTX 1050Ti or GTX 1060. These will cost from 180-300$ (where I am from).
If you want to play today's games (and be ok for 4-5 years to come ) at Very High to Ultra settings.. the best card is the GTX 1080 or GTX 1080Ti. This will cost from 500-800$ (where I am from).
( The company NVIDIA, who's behind these cards, are expected to reveal their next generation of gaming cards this Fall. Aug-Sept. Which means a new line of products are hitting the market - Which in turn means that these older cards will drop in price.)
If you want a heavy card like the 1080, I suggest you wait until the new cards arrive. Hopefully the price-drop on the 1080 will be significant.
If you are in a hurry, and can be satisfied with the 1050/1060, you could just get one now. I doubt the price-drop differ that much there. Gaming Cards (That are worth even looking at) never tend to go below 200$'ish anyways.
Whatever card you buy, aim for one with minimum 4-6GB RAM.
Make sure it fits in your computer case.. and that it can be run by your power supply.
GL with your gaming needs. 👍
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the rx 480 should not cost much and it's still a decent card. the rx 5XX line still has a much better performance to price ratio compared to nvidia and they're also good. the rx 580 is cheaper than the 1060 gtx but slighty better overall (when comparing the same tiers), but they are very close. as for gaming cards never getting below $200, don't know where you are from but the 650 gtx was a very good low-medium card just a few years ago and its cost was below 150€ new and low-medium entry cards below $200 are rather common to me
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650 was released over 6 years ago. And a 1 GB ram card will do him/her no good :p
And to all Radeon fans, sorry I never used "your" cards, So I will not pretend to know anything about em. So don't bug me about it. / Peace ) ✌💖"
Besides, these are just lies: " (the rx 5XX line still has a much better performance to price ratio compared to nvidia)
Why would AMD give away "much" more performance for free? :p Cmon man. No company works like that.
The differences you see will vary in favor between gtx and radeon depending on what game is played. (What tech is used, within the code)
But ..I don't partake in any brand war. I could not care less about Nvidia or AMD. I gave him solid advice about what to expect today, and what's to come. Especially since NVidia is the only brand that is planning a next gen release this year - Hence the advice about price-drops ect.
Have a nice day.
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650 was released over 6 years ago. And a 1 GB ram card will do him/her no good :p
thanks cpt obvious. maybe you could read the sentence again and notice that i was talking about low-medium entry cards costing less than $200 and clearly using the past to talk about an example : "WAS a very good low-medium card just A FEW YEARS AGO and its cost WAS below 150€ new and low-medium entry cards below $200 are rather common to me"
Besides, these are just lies: " (the rx 5XX line still has a much better performance to price ratio compared to nvidia)
Why would AMD give away "much" more performance for free? :p Cmon man. No company works like that.
inform yourself on the matter maybe
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+1
The high end GPUs are already up to 12GB, and the new GPUs coming out soon are rumored to go as high as 16GB. Getting a GPU with only 2GB is a waste of money atp.
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This is a long time coming for me, i haven't had the time to do so before but i decided to finally try to resolve this issue.
i bought a new desktop around a year ago or so hoping i'll be able to do more serious gaming, nothing too expensive but supposedly quite good,
and turns out it did improve my gaming considerably, but i noticed that games that have higher requirements do not run well at all despite when i check on websites like canyourunit, i should be able to run it fluidly and that does not appear to be the case, not trying to run 60FPS Dark souls 3 or anything similar.
I am not an expert or anything on this matter so feel free to bring up even trivial tips or questions that may help me to start gaming ^^.
for example: Shiness: Lightning Kingdom, checking on canyourunit my PC should be able to run it pretty easily yet when i start the game i'm lagging so very much.
my PC hardware:
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460
CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
RAM: 16GB
Windows 10 Pro 64
GPU Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
forgot to mention, i don't know if it matters in any way but my screen is a TV connected via HDMI cable, an old pilot TV.
here's a small gratitude token for the helpers or forum crawlers xd.
Edit: it seems like my graphics card is the issue from what everyone is saying here, do you have a recommendation for a graphics card?
something that would fit into my system and wouldn't break my wallet completely(i am a student).
Edit2: i am a fucking freaking idiot....
i opened up my PC and it turns out i do have a dedicated GPU(i started doing some research to see the difference between dedicated integrated prices and such)... turns out i wasn't connected properly inside my PC by the store given to me, i reconnected the plugs, switched my HDMI socket inside, i am now connected to a GTX 960 and my gaming runs fucking smooth fluid, over 2 years i've been suffering only because it wasn't connected to the proper place(i had the socket the whole time but trying to connect it before didn't work so i figured it's not supposed to go there).
closing the thread thanks for helping out everyone, without your help i wouldn't have realized it.
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