Since it is January, I thought of creating a thread for those that could have an interest in the Veganuary.
I know I am late to this.

During this month, you commit to make changes in the way you eat in order to reduce animal consumption. It is not as difficult as it seems, and it is an assured way to help the environment, the animals and yourself with better health.
The goal is for people to make an effort, and possibly team up with others doing the same for the first time.
Many people stay with their changes, which is a positive for the world :)

All the info can be found here on the veganuary website. They have done an ad for the first time.

Here’s the giveaway you were looking for.

I created a steam group. If you like the environment, animals, etc. Please don’t feel obligated to join.

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What do you care most about?

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My health
My interests
My partner (if you have one)
Family
Friends
The animals
The environment
All of the above
All of the above, if I am not occupied with something else
None, leave me alone
Just gief me the damn games...
Broccoli (because I don't like potatoes)

bump for healthy eating :) and thanks for GA :)

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I like this first comment 💪

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I can't say any single thing is my goal this year, so i chose all of above I guess

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Taking care of everyone is good thing :)

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Ahh shit, and I just cooked a delicious beef roast for supper.

Hashtaghowdarei

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For anyone who wants to give this a try but is hesitant due to concerns about protein or calcium, this 10-minute interview with Dr. Neal Barnard should lay those fears to rest. :)

Can Vegans Get Enough Protein? | The Exam Room Podcast

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it is an assured way to help the environment, the animals and yourself with better health.

I don't mind if people prefer being vegetarian (why would I?). But all those statements are controversial at best, if not outright wrong.

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+1. If you really want to help the planet, you should be DISCOURAGING agriculture as this is a big reason of land clearing, and ENCOURAGING natural grazing animals instead of intensive grain-fed animal husbandry. 🐮

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It would also help to stop raising certain animals who eat way more than they produce or those who are a pollution hazard. I am not saying we should slaughter all the Canada Geese, which is unrelated. cough

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Just ate pork and it was delicious. Went great with brussel sprouts.

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I'm not sure if you're kidding on that second part, but they have to be one the worst vegetables ever...

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depends on how you cook them

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masking the taste/smell of a disgusting vegetable to make them edible still doesn't make them fundamentally great. :P

I hate peas, but I am able to eat minted peas. I still think they're disgusting though.

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Hey, only a short question.
Why you put me at your BL a few days ago ?

It looks a bit strange that i have you at my WL at the same time.... and i am curious.

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As written, i am curious and sometimes the reasons help to think about different stuff.
And special by my WL people, partly friends, i care more for the reason(s).

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Because i can't question at a GA from you, sg have no message system, your steam profile have no open comment section and this was the first thread i found with a comment from you.

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Thats strange but it is your right.

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When you think that i am an asshole, then i wonder why i was at your WL.

Oh and have fun at my BL too. Not because of the BL from you but because of fuck off, asshole and such nice sentence parts.

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You don't need to blacklist me you idiot, I already have you blacklisted.

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I want it after such nice words because it give for you no way back to my GA's (and steam contact). If you take me down from your BL or not. And thats only possible with a BL.

Oh and have fun with the report.
If you think insults are ok then i hope the support will teach you the opposite.

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( •_•)つ B U M P

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(Bumped!)
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As a fellow vegan, thank you :3

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it is an assured way to help the environment

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An earth without cucumbers is a good earth to destroy=͟͟͞͞( っ'Θ')╮ =͟͟͞͞🌏  ☼

The plan is 5 billion years from now.(`Θ´)👾👽🛸

By the way, eat fish and meat.
If you don't eat, those creatures will overgrow and pollute the environment.
"Too many creatures" pollute the environment.
It is extinct due to contamination from breeding of the same race.

Can humans eat?👿 omg!? ε=ε=(*ノ>Θ<)ノ   😋…For the time being, we prioritize delicious ones.🥒

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Perhaps you should write science fiction :D

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ffs
last topic was kinda more than enough
don't forget vitamins B & D supplements tho

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Unrelated to your chosen celebration, I am abstaining from animals for 3 weeks for other reasons

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Happy that it is 3 weeks, could have been nothing 👍

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Bumpity~

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Just realised only 1 person cares about his friends

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What do you care most about?

Power.

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Power to do what?

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Anything i want.

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If you need power to do anything, then something is inevitable wrong imo.

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Is that so?
But of course, the fear lingers deep within.
I suppose i could tell you that i don't need chains not of my own creation.
Power is what gives you the opportunity to break free, i want that freedom.
The true freedom. The freedom to decide my own path, without some fat politician dictating to me what i can or can't do.
I wouldn't mind waking up tomorrow and realizing that everyone now has power, using which they shall decide themselves what comes next.
Just like in those superhero stories right? ^^)

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The reason superheroes exist in the first place is due to inequality. For some to have freedom, others will inevitably suffer.

You want to break free from the regime? As James Brown wrote in power to the people, without the collective you are never really breaking it. Until we resolve the current economic system, which I blame capitalism, oppression will always exist I am afraid. Power brings greediness and corruption. This way you are actually joining the fat politicians. You cannot escape the establishment, specially if you become part of it.

The true freedom you mention is nothing more than a class division. Yes, you can have some freedom, but always at a cost to others. There is no system we know of (can only speculate), where everybody has the power to be free as you mention.
We fight for social rights, but forget that it is the economy that ultimately rules.

Couldn’t help but listen to this song, while writing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRvAPLrZQ0U

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The reason superheroes exist in the first place is due to inequality.
For some to have freedom, others will inevitably suffer.

They don't really exist actually, which is why our lives are so dreadfully boring.
But anyway, what does that have to do with me?
In case you think i wish to play the hero, you're wrong.

You want to break free from the regime?

I want to break the various chains that bind me, the chains that are not of my own creation.
I couldn't care less about regimes or whatever, humanity can go ahead and continue to pointlessly slaughter itself and quarrel endlessly.
You know, the usual.
I also wish to go and see what else is out there, beyond this rock.
Eventually move beyond the mundane, if possible.

The true freedom you mention is nothing more than a class division.

Perhaps, true freedom is non-existence after all.
I suppose i worded it incorrectly at some point there.
However this is how creation seem to be working. The more power you have, the more freedom you have.
In exact, direct, proportion.
Complain to sky daddy maybe? ^^)

Yes, you can have some freedom, but always at a cost to others.

Nonsense.
You can be powerful and have many below you in terms of power.
But you don't have to be a powerful asshole and bully everyone below you simply because you can.
The assumption that you will most definitely do so if you get power is a stereotype.
Not that i care either way.

where everybody has the power to be free as you mention.

Let's take current Democracy as an example.
Do you think the Democracy we have is the real deal?
I think it's no different than having a king to rule over us, only in the past we couldn't select our king and now we can.
Provided the voting was not sabotaged heh.
So what to do? Fairly simple answer actually: Direct Democracy.
Humanity could easily create the means by which citizens of an entire country could vote on each and every decision the country makes.
Why have kings at all? Many heads thinking about a problem is superior to one crowned head by far, no?
But lookey here, nobody does that. I suppose our kings like being kings, or.. maybe it's the people?
Maybe people like having kings?
After all they can always throw a rotten tomato at a king when something in their life goes wrong, and who cares if the king was the one at fault or not.
Maybe we like blaming each other too much for our own faults?
Hehe, something to consider.

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They don't really exist actually, which is why our lives are so dreadfully boring.
But anyway, what does that have to do with me?
In case you think i wish to play the hero, you're wrong.

I didn’t think that. That’s just the reason they were created :’)
Same way that without evil there is no good.

Perhaps, true freedom is non-existence after all.
However this is how creation seem to be working. The more power you have, the more freedom you have.

What does the lack of power mean to you right now?
Money gives you more freedom, power alone might not. The government is controlled by the biggest corporations. If you join the government for power, you are not free, and if you join the most powerful you are as corrupt as the fat politicians.
'Creation' is a fiction developed by men. The history continues, as long as rules are allowed to be created by those in power. Thus true freedom is a concept (worth fighting for nonetheless).

You can be powerful and have many below you in terms of power.
But you don't have to be a powerful asshole and bully everyone below you simply because you can.
The assumption that you will most definitely do so if you get power is a stereotype.

The cost doesn’t have to be social. The simple fact that there's division, there's a cost. If everybody had the same power, there would be no power at all to be gained.
People work for money, hence you need it in order to have power. At least in the current society.
Still you have the power of voice, and history tells us that raising the voice is probably the most powerful thing. When people follow you because they believe in the things you believe, they are not servants, thus the power comes from the unity. Without the group, there is no power.

Let's take current Democracy as an example.
Do you think the Democracy we have is the real deal?

No. I don’t think democracy is right with its current definition.

I think it's no different than having a king to rule over us, only in the past we couldn't select our king and now we can.
Provided the voting was not sabotaged heh.

Yep.

So what to do? Fairly simple answer actually: Direct Democracy.
Humanity could easily create the means by which citizens of an entire country could vote on each and every decision the country makes.

It starts with the voting system being intentionally flawed: dubious transparency, binary voting, and the people that can change its rules, are the people that are in the power already. It is not in their interest to change it. Not to mention political campaigns before the grand voting is nothing but a farce. The more people think they are in control, the better for them.
I would like to see complete transparency as well as voting rules being controlled by the population. The binary choice allows for easily propaganda to put the minds of the people on their side. Something like condorcet would be a much fairer system.

Why have kings at all? Many heads thinking about a problem is superior to one crowned head by far, no?

Oh yeah. At least people have the choice on who to put in power, as opposed to monarchy.

But lookey here, nobody does that. I suppose our kings like being kings, or.. maybe it's the people?
Maybe people like having kings?
After all they can always throw a rotten tomato at a king when something in their life goes wrong, and who cares if the king was the one at fault or not.
Maybe we like blaming each other too much for our own faults?

Absolutely! There’s a need to have someone in which to look for, but also to blame when things go wrong. That’s likely to be a human trait.

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What does the lack of power mean to you right now?

Endless agony.
Rules this, laws that's... all over the place.
Suffocating, stifling, annoying.

Money gives you more freedom

No, it gives you the illusion of freedom and power.
Money is false power.

The cost doesn’t have to be social.

The costs, if any, are not my priority.
As long as i get what i want, anything not too destructive is fine by me.
Like i said, i'm not playing hero here.

If everybody had the same power

Hardly matter to me whether it is the same or not.
Or if everyone gets power in the first place. As long as i do all is well.

People work for money, hence you need it in order to have power

Please... more like people slave away so that they can survive another day of slaving away.
Utterly pointless.
The slave master? Bills. Now then, who are the masters of the master?

and history tells us that raising the voice is probably the most powerful thing

I'd prefer something more tangible, something that can make an army or a couple of armies disappear for example.
But at the same time something that would also let me avoid affecting the environment and the infrastructure as well.
Mass teleportation would work nice, i'd teleport all that annoys me into space or to the bottom of the ocean and move on with my business. Perfect.

When people follow you

I care very little about having followers, that's what kings care about.

Without the group, there is no power.

Wrong. Group power is just one path to power.
Here is a small piece of "My Ponderings.txt" where i mull things over on occasion:

.36. The great paths.
The path of all-for-one. You borrow power from all to empower yourself. But borrowed power is never your own.
The path of one-for-all. You give your power to all. But doing so weakens you.
The path of one-for-one. You walk the path for yourself, not needing to share nor borrow. But you are alone.

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Money is false power.

Agree. Money is a virtual 'thing'. It is despicable that's worth more than life itself.
I meant it as a way of survival (hence why I said more, and not total freedom).

Hardly matter to me whether it is the same or not.
Or if everyone gets power in the first place. As long as i do all is well.

Everyone should have it, but it could be problematic, if we find out villains in disguise :P
I kind of wonder what would be your plans if that happened.

Please... more like people slave away so that they can survive another day of slaving away.
Utterly pointless.
The slave master? Bills. Now then, who are the masters of the master?

True. Doesn’t mean we can ignore the money unfortunately 😕
The masters of the masters are not impossible to find, but they are 99% untouchable.

I'd prefer something more tangible, something that can make an army or a couple of armies disappear for example.
But at the same time something that would also let me avoid affecting the environment and the infrastructure as well.
Mass teleportation would work nice, i'd teleport all that annoys me into space or to the bottom of the ocean and move on with my business. Perfect.

Oh man! If we had that, I wouldn't think twice on pressing the button, except I would think at a global scale 😄

I care very little about having followers, that's what kings care about.

In essence that's the role of the presidents. They have the followers, but the decisions are decided up the chain.

Wrong. Group power is just one path to power.
Here is a small piece of "My Ponderings.txt" where i mull things over on occasion:
.36. The great paths.

The path of all-for-one. You borrow power from all to empower yourself. But borrowed power is never your own.
The path of one-for-all. You give your power to all. But doing so weakens you.

One could say, when all have it, no one has it.

The path of one-for-one. You walk the path for yourself, not needing to share nor borrow. But you are alone.

Isn’t this the present situation, where you are still searching for power?

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It is despicable that's worth more than life itself.

It isn't.
To me at least. Can't say what fellow men think.

I kind of wonder what would be your plans if that happened.

It is meaningless to bother considering the ends when you do not posses the means.
At this point in time, we are nothing more than dreamers.

I wouldn't think twice on pressing the button

You feared before what i would have done if i had power, and yet you have no hesitation to basically commit mass-murder.
Perhaps you should consider yourself first?
Look into yourself, and see if you can make sense of what you see there, deep in the depths of your soul.

Isn’t this the present situation, where you are still searching for power?

You could say that, but i do not think one lifetime is enough to find what i seek. But that is fine, i am patient when i want to be.
We all search for something during our brief lifetime which seems like a flicker of a candle on a cosmic scale.
Power is simply something that calls to me on a personal level, i may even choose not to bother with humanity at all should i find what i seek. ^^)v

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I didn’t fear anything, I specifically meant curiosity.
In order to help others, one must consider oneself. I focus on helping those who need it most, the powerless and the voiceless.
War brings no good, since you mention army. Besides I wouldn’t call teleportation mass-murder. Sometimes it requires desperate measures to help those who haven’t looked at the world yet. Doesn’t mean they must be killed.

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yes, eat more broccoli

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i only eat pizza :) not vegetaruian but cheese:))

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I like cheese too, i think it can be considered vegan if there is no meat in the pizza.
Mousey diet hehe.

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Your avatar doesn't make me comfortable it looks like Dracula recommended to eat vegetables instead of drinking bloods 😜😜😜

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That's a good point. I am not the usual vampire, I drink fake blood ;D
Don't believe the hype, immortality doesn't need food. Others drink blood because they need companions for eternity.

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You certainly do NOT have to be vegan or care for the animals to understand that you must eat healthy. And, by healthy, I mean a balanced diet, not just vegan food. Eat healthier, live better. Do you really want to look like this in a young age? ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUmp67YDlHY

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You are talking about two different things. If you absolutely care about animals, you wouldn't have them killed or suffering daily (dairy), thus vegan is the best option.
There are plenty of studies that show plant-based lifestyle is the most healthy. I am yet to see anyone healthy that doesn't incorporate a lot of vegetables/grains in their plates.

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Since I had studied food science, I know the importance of a balanced diet. Then again, I'm not in the mood for discussions about the best diet. What I wanted to say with my previous comment, is that even if someone doesn't care about the animals or isn't vegan, it's still not an excuse for them to eat unhealthy and they should certainly try eating healthy in order to avoid eventually becoming sick.
Other than that, I personally eat lean meat, a lot of vegetables, and a lot of fruits.

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Totally! Didn't get your message at first :)

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thanks for sharing! =) I'm a vegetarian and I feel awesome! I have really changed many things in the last years and the food one is for sure quite important =)

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As said Samuel L. Jackson in "S.W.A.T." movie "How the hell can I trust a man who won't eat a good old-fashioned American hot dog?"

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^ Went out of his way through all of Akylen's threads to in essence say that he doesn't give a fuck.
Let's give him a round of applause boiz.

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The great thing at "american" Hot Dogs is that they are GERMAN.

The GI's and immigrants brought it after the war to the USA and renamed it to Hot Dog because a, Bratwurst/Nürnberger/Wurst mit Brötchen/Wurst mit Weckchen and similar names, would pointed out that it is food from the evil enemies.

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Damn, that's actually quite touching.
Whitey is sexy.

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Bump for health and nature.

I really wish I could do that. I even tried it before, but I really hate vegetables.

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I used to hate vegetables too, but now I can’t go without them. The taste is wonderful really!

Because your body is so used to meat and fish for years, everything else might not taste as well. Specially for those who consume too much sugar/fast food. For some, vegetables can give be difficult to digest, and this is due to all the fiber content. With time your body adapts, because it's good for you. I believe this happens with everyone that isn't born vegan/vegetarian.
The objective of veganuary is not to turn you into an instant vegan, but to make changes towards that. Feel free to do it at your own pace. Introduce them slowly, and you will notice the difference :)

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Why the focus on vegetables? Wouldn't eating more fruit while cutting down on meats environmentally serve the same purpose? Or do vegetables provide nutrients that you can't get (as easy) from fruit?

Also I know it's a big tabu for many people but insects are animals yet they are as far as I know one of the most sustainable ways to create protein for human consumption.


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I believe this happens with everyone that isn't born vegan/vegetarian.

I suppose that's true because who is born vegan usually tends to die pretty quickly unless the authorities find out fast enough and take away the child from the parents. You're not supposed to try and feed an infant exlusively vegan diet, it's really bad for their health.

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Why the focus on vegetables? Wouldn't eating more fruit while cutting down on meats environmentally serve the same purpose? Or do vegetables provide nutrients that you can't get (as easy) from fruit?

The context was the vegetables, but the same applies to fruit/grains/etc.

Also I know it's a big tabu for many people but insects are animals yet they are as far as I know one of the most sustainable ways to create protein for human consumption.

Don't think so. Sustainable perhaps, but everything else fails. Insects also need the plants. For your information, protein is only created by plants. All animals get protein from them. What's the point in eating recycled protein?

I suppose that's true because who is born vegan usually tends to die pretty quickly unless the authorities find out fast enough and take away the child from the parents. You're not supposed to try and feed an infant exlusively vegan diet, it's really bad for their health.

Well Greta Thunberg, and the whole Joaquin Phoenix family has something to say about that.
The problem is centuries of mind blowing propaganda since the industrialisation started. The nutrients you get from non-plant foods are contaminated with hormones, bacterias, vitamins, etc. In fish, chemicals, etc. I wouldn't call that exactly healthy, specially when it leads to serious problems mid-life.
What you see is parents who are not doing their research to make sure a child is well nurtured. Blame the system, who makes it difficult not to participate in killing animals, not the plants.

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Well Greta Thunberg, and the whole Joaquin Phoenix family has something to say about that.

But Greta Thunberg is not healthy. As far as I know she's autistic, isn't she?

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I don't think so. It is far more likely that someone is spreading shit about her trying to diminish her voice.
We adults should be burning from shame that we got things so bad with our infinite greed that a kid had to take her "political arms" and start fighting all dem sacks of useless lard who infest human political world.

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No. I just looked it up and she's on the spectrum.
But as far as I know Asperger's is usually one of the milder forms of autism. Like Abed from Community in case you're familiar with that show
Greta Thunberg responds to Asperger's critics: "It's a superpower"

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Well, nothing says you can't bribe a bloke in white coat to give her any diagnosis you want.
And i love how she simply shrugs off all the shit they throw at her.
She's definitely my favorite kid of this decade. xD

Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

It doesn't seem to be affecting her much even if the diagnosis is legit.
I have not observed any problems in her behavior personally.
She looks to me like an ordinary kid, but then again i am not close enough to her to observe her for any length of time that would matter for deeper analysis.
And this applies not only to me, but also to all of her haters who do not know her close enough to know anything about her and yet keep throwing shit at her on a daily basis.
Her fight is one she will not be thanked for.

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It doesn't seem to be affecting her much even if the diagnosis is legit.

Indeed, she seems to be doing a lot better now since the whole thing has been going. Here's a quote from her Instagram how living with Aspberger's has affected her life.

I'm not public about my diagnosis to "hide" behind it, but because I know many ignorant people still see it as an "illness", or something negative. And believe me, my diagnosis has limited me before. Before I started school striking I had no energy, no friends and I didn’t speak to anyone. I just sat alone at home, with an eating disorder.
All of that is gone now, since I have found a meaning, in a world that sometimes seems meaningless to so many people.

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since I have found a meaning, in a world that sometimes seems meaningless to so many people.

Great insight for her age, this lil' lady has nothing but my respect. ^^)

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For an eight year old kid to understand the impact of climate change and go out of her way to fight it, that's uncommon, if not rare. It is extraordinary to have a new generation of minds like that.
Difference is not a motive to mock someone, specially when doing the right thing, even if sometimes it may seem that her ways are too aggressive.

As she very well said: “When haters go after your looks and differences, it means they have nowhere left to go. And then you know you’re winning!”

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Everyone says that. I actually try to eat vegetables whenever I can, but for now it is impossible for me to eat a dish made only with that. Hopefully, I'll be able to improve this eventually.

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