Hey, people who have done something awesome to get on my whitelist, and also my compatriots from the BGG group! Here are a couple of free gibs that are older, but actually pretty cool games (hey, they're in my library, and I've actually played them):

Necrovision
Necrovision: Lost Company

Also, if you are not currently on my whitelist and would like to get on there, then here's your chance. Entertain me! Dance for me, monkey boy (or girl)!

Have fun, and good luck!!!!

[Plus, this is always an excuse for another music trivia poll and debate :D ]

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What's the best Kansas studio LP?

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Leftoverture! Come on, that's easy: Carry On Wayward Son is one of the best rock songs of all time! Plus, The Wall is on there!
Point of Know Return! Dust in the Wind, dude! Plus, the title track and those amazing instrumentals!
Song For America! The title track might be their best concept song ever! Epic! Old school!
Masque! I mean, dude, Icarus: Borne on Wings of Steel is their most overlooked classic! That, and I want to prove that I'm a real fan!
I have no idea what you're talking about, rock dude. Please take me out for beers and give me a proper music education. ;-P

I came here out of curiosity... I'm not on your whitelist or in your group, and I already own the Necrovision games. But I'm bumping to say this:

I've only ever heard Kansas singles, never got around to listening to the albums for some reason. I'm going to fix that today because of you. But I'll put my vote toward Leftoverture, since it has more than one song I've heard and loved and Carry On Wayward Son is indeed one of the best rock songs of all time.

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The albums are totally worth your time investment if you like the singles. The deep cuts may be longer and not as instantly-appealing, but if you do the old-school thing by just sitting and listening to the songs while reading the lyrics, there is some really amazing material there. Lots of depth, and just such impressive musicianship.

I can strongly recommend all of the first five albums (Kansas, Song for America, Masque, Leftoverture, and Point of Know Return), and even Monolith if you find you like those first five (it has a couple of goofy moments, but it's impressive in its attempt to be experimental). Audio Visions is ok. You can completely skip Vinyl Confession and Drastic Measures, as these are horrible 80s schlock where Steve Walsh left the band because Kerry Livgren was trying to turn them into a Christian rock band (eeeewww). Band breaks up, the gets back together with Livgren gone but Walsh back, and Steve Morse on guitar (one of my favorite players). I like both of these albums (Power & In The Spirit of Things) for various reasons (first one focuses a lot on radio-friendly material, but it's all pretty catchy, so that's ok, and the second one because, while still pretty accessible, really explores the depth of human emotion...loss, grief, guilt, etc.), so if you become a fan from the first part, they're worth exploring too. They've since put out some new material every few years ever since with varying degrees of success (though nothing has been bad), and they have an album that just dropped around 6-8 month ago with a new vocalist (Walsh retired, but the new guy sound JUST like him) that is quite good. I even played it for my kids and they totally dug it. It has a lot of mellow stuff on it, but it's super pretty. Especially considering that the remaining original members are essentially a bunch of old dudes, it's extra impressive...they haven't lost their chops in any way.

Tell you what, dig in to 1 or 2 albums, come back here and tell me what you think, and you are insta-whitelisted. :) Sorry that you already have these games, but I have lots more where that came from, and my whitelist is finally big enough to justify some whitelist-only GAs, especially if I grow it a little bit from this thread.

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My thoughts, long and short, on each song as I listened to them:

Kansas
Can I Tell You - I was not expecting a rockin' fiddle, nor for it to feature so heavily. I was pretty impressed with it.
Bringing It Back - This one's kinda jazzy/bluesy at parts, I was digging it. More impressive fiddlework. That crazy bending (or whatever you'd call it on a violin-like instrument) about two thirds in is unlike anything I've ever heard out of one before.
Lonely Wind - Unsurprisingly, it's got a sort of wistful tone to it. I thought this one was pretty interesting lyrically, though I'm not sure how I interpret it just yet.
Belexes - This sounded more like the sort of thing I was expecting to hear. Not that I disliked the other stuff (I have very eclectic tastes, and love artists who experiment with different instruments and sounds). The singing has a very epic quality to it, and the lyrics seem to be alluding to actual mythic story arc stuff with prophets and hidden potential and dire consequences and all.
Journey From Mariabronn - The fiddling is back again, but it's more "playing a role in the team" than "star player" here. The story to this one is much more coherent, and (to my surprise) ended happily. Also, the synth here gets pretty wacky at times. Being a fan of The Doors, I definitely love me some good synth.
The Pilgrimage - The instrumentals are everything, for this one. Some lovely guitar work, and more fiddling. The pilgrims being described seem to be of a much more enthusiastic kind than I tend to think of when I hear the word, haha.
Apercu - I really loved that intro! This one kind of reminds me of some more psychedelic rock I've heard, in some early parts. Of course it's kind of journeying all over musically, lots of different sounds and melodies here. I think this one is my favorite so far. Also, man... that third verse is heavy. Powerful finale, too.
Death of Mother Nature Suite - The opening to this transitions well from the end of Apercu. That's something I miss from the days of vinyl and cassettes being the only media for music; there was much more emphasis on making sure songs transitioned well because skipping and shuffling around just wasn't practical. Anyway, back to the song. The end of the first verse is fucking hardcore, it was kind of startling. Oh, apparently that bit is the closest thing this song's got to a chorus. That little interlude with the background singers sounding all sad and ghost-like creeped me out a little. All in all, it's pretty heavy-handed but it's an important message.

Song for America
Down the Road - This one's so different it almost seems like an entirely different band. The strings are harsh and abrasive here, which seems pretty fitting. Technically very impressive, too.
Song for America - The section before the lyrics started gave me flashbacks to watching the Rocky movies, for some reason. Once the words showed up, it really did all start of beautifully. Then the story took a bit of a turn. It ended up a much sadder song than I was initially expecting. Through it all though, it fucking nailed its symbolism. Also, more great synth here.
Lamplight Symphony - Damn, this one was full of feels. I really loved that transition from the second to the third verse. I was less thrilled with the transition from third to fourth, though... Parts of it felt pretty out of place to me; it sounded almost industrial at times. Everything was of course well-performed, I just disagree with whatever creative decision was made there. It took away from the song a bit, for me.
Lonely Street - This one wasn't just bluesy, it was a straight-up blues song with a touch of rock to it. I fucking loved that bass, just all of it. As for the lyrics, it was a pretty engaging little story but I don't understand how he had a gun on him to shoot the guy in the jailhouse. That's shoddy police work, I tell you.
The Devil Game - Musically, this one's really intense. It just starts rocking and doesn't really let up. "Have you wondered if he's laughing when you play?" was one of the creepier lines I've heard in a song. I kind of idly wondered if this song was written as an indirect response to "Devil Went Down To Georgia", haha.
Incomudro - Hymn to the Atman - This one had another really great intro. Lyrically, this one was another very interesting one. Kind of haunting at parts, but that might just be some of the effects editing getting to me. Also, I really liked that bit where the drum solo sort of slid from one side of the stereo audio to the other.

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Duuuuuuuddddeee! Holy crap, man! I was just expecting you to spin a couple of these and go, "well, my favorite three songs on this albums are..." and maybe why you liked them. Full album analysis of the first two song-by-song? If I could whitelist you twice, I would do it. lol

Seriously, I'm glad you're enjoying the albums. It's crazy to think that these guys wrote the two that you just listened to in 1974-75. Everything is analog, tracks are basically recorded live in the studio in a single take...almost zero punch-ins on a track. The stuff they were doing this early in their career is nuts.

Here's a cool side story that will explain the level of their talent: they opened for Queen during these early days (I think maybe during the Song for America and Masque days), and Queen was so impressed with them that later, when they were on tour with other acts, if they happened to be in a city where Kansas was playing, they dropped everything and went to go see Kansas live! Freaking QUEEN. If Freddy Mercury thinks you're badass, then it's official. :D

BTW...good job picking up on the tracks that seemed to kind of "stick out" like Down the Road. These shorter, more straight-up rock numbers were mostly penned by Steve Walsh. All of the crazy epic stuff was primarily written by Kerry Livgren. They co-wrote plenty for sure, but you can always tell who the primary songwriter was just by the general style of the song. Also, another trivia tid-bit: Bringing It Back from the first album is a cover...that's actually an old JJ Cale song (God rest his departed soul...damn that old dude was an amazing songwriter).

Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying listening to the full albums. As a general rule, they don't produce much filler, so it's worth your time, IMO. Hopefully, you'll keep cruising through all of it, and you're bound to find more stuff you like, and maybe some that you don't. I'm super curious to see what you think once things change up big-time (after the lineup changes and of course moving from the 70s to the 80s and then later...that certainly influences things too).

Also, they put out some really good live albums...Two for the Show, Live at the Whiskey (that one is GREAT), even one they did with an orchestra later on (I think it was called Always Never the Same). That last one even has a couple of new songs on it that they only ever played live for that show.

And if you ever get through all of that and are still curious, Steve Walsh has three solo albums, all of which are pretty good. :)

7 years ago
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Huh, interesting. Thanks for the trivia, particularly that the members of Queen were fans (and obviously the whitelisting... and prompting me to dig beyond the surface of Kansas' discography). Currently listening to J.J. Cale's Bring it Back, definitely liking what I'm hearing.

I'll be sure to give you my thoughts on the other albums! I would have listened to and written on more of them, but I've been a bit busier than I expected. If you post any other threads, let me know and I'll give them some bumpage (either with more first-time Kansas-analysis, chit-chat, or just plain bumping for the love).

And I'll definitely check out the live albums. I usually tend to skip "side" releases like that, but when a live album is good it's REALLY good.

In recent years I've been trying to do this kind of in-depth listening for a lot of various bands/artists I grew up listening to, so this has been an absolute pleasure for me. Thanks for giving me the nudge I needed to get to Kansas sooner rather than later. :D

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I've always liked the singles for Carry on and Dust in the Wind; even before they became the theme song for Supernatural (but that was cool too). Doesn't matter to me if I make the WL or not but I appreciate the mini band history (too lazy/exhausted from work to go look it up). Will check it out at some point when I get some time. Also, would be interested in your opinion on Boston albums if you have any of those / care to share.

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I cannot enter your giveaways, but I voted for Leftoverture. Supernatural is one of my favourite shows of all time, and they have played Carry On My Wayward Son a few times over the years. I loved the version they played for the 200th episode, where they are doing a play based on their lives. The blonde girl singing the song gives me chills every time I hear it. It is such a haunting rendition of it!:)

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Thanks for the whitelist!

Never listened to much Kansas. I love Carry On, it's a great song.

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At first I thought BGG meant Board Game Geek.

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Congrats to the winners!

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