Is 40 series too expensive?
The most interesting RTX 4060 Ti (16 GB) will cost above 400 Euro most likely - bummer.
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definitely over 500 and more like near 600 :D
EDIT: added news page with prices
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Yep, I didn't want to sound too pessimistic. On the other hand the card should be cheaper than a RTX 4070 which goes over the counter at around 599 atm.
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indeed, I checked prices at Estonia as well and we have them around 650 (but better models still close to 700)
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I mostly agree, but they have valid point about being targeted at 1080p (which on the other hand is not as valid as well, as those card run 1440p more than perfect and can handle some games at 4K too)
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If you play in 1080P, 8 is enough. And majority of people still play in that resolution.
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Exactly.
I don't even have the space for a large monitor on my desk, so classic HD is fine for me.
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According to Nvidia's own data you can't play A Plague Tale: Requiem and Resident Evil 4 Remake in highest settings with RT on in 1080p on the RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB model. If that's an indication of what's in store for future games I'd say "good night Vienna".
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So what? You are not supposed to play AAA new games on max with 4060 Ti and RT is useless on 4060 anyway.
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I dont agree that 8gb is enough for running games on fhd. I have encountered several games having trouble with 8gb of vram. Even forza does hit the 8gb limit quite often
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I play on 1440p, and still didn't see the game that needs more than 8 Gb, but YMMV (I play mostly older games, now playing Borderlands 3, Doom and Doom Eternal). And I don't use RT anywhere.
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I'm in same boat, hard to agree or disagree, as my games are mostly few years old AAA or indies, and only noticed couple times when game is running at limit (about 7.8GB, but at 60fps anyway)
sidenote: I play games at 4K where I can, otherwise 1440p as well
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as long as VRAM shortage doesn't cut fps then I'd say it can run, but I agree 8GB is getting less over time (not like people buy GPU for year or two, especially mid-range)
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Recently I got a new Amd 6700xt. I'm okay for the next five years at least. See you again in 2028/29. ;)
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I think I will live with my 3070 few years as well, but still curious to see comparison with it
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Bought RTX 3060 12GB earlier (192-bit)... 4060 8GB (128-bit) seems way too overpriced
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yeah, that 8GB definitely should be 12GB as well (on the buswidth side, I'd rather wait and see different benchmarks)
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4060 for $300 doesn't seem so bad. Cheaper than 2060 and 3060, same as 1060. The other ones are far too much though, every Nvidia card has shifted upwards in price. We went from a $300-700 range in 2017 (1060 to 1080 Ti) to a $300-1600 range in 2023 (4060 to 4090).
Also from the leaked specs it looks like 4060 Ti 16GB will be roughly equivalent to a 3070, which is pretty disappointing. Nvidia seem to be relying on DLSS3 fake frame generation to make the performance look a lot better than it is.
It's unfortunate AMD aren't going to compete on price. The rumoured price for 7600x is $300 and judging by the specs it might not even reach 3060 Ti perf level, not to mention it falling behind in ray-tracing and FSR vs DLSS. I really hope they have something in store and whip out another Ryzen situation for their GPUs.
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- yeah, that DLSS witchcraft is all the way cheating, it's definitely good tech but not everything uses it
- I won't do any deducting from specs, I just wait for honest benchmarks from third-parties
- I'm all the way Nvidia fanboy myself, but always have rooted for competition - feels weird that soon Team Blue might be better competition then Team Red, but will see how they act once they reach to similar position
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secretly hoping same, so they would lower 16GB model price more close to 400
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Will wait to see Swedish prices. These numbers are fairytales 😜
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Swedish sallary are fairytales for many countries.)
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Ok sure
Hardly matters when everything cost double. And I'm comparing Dollar value here, not Vietnamese Dong ;-)
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when everything cost double
Does it though? Not really the place for this discussion, so sorry OP, but I am curiously wondering. I visited Finland some month ago. And the prices where actually almost the same as we have in Baltics, while salary is twice as big (at least official average). So just wondering how it is in Sweden. Fuel, beer and stuff like that of course is a bit more expensive, but the difference is negligible. Tech products and food is basically the same price for as Ivanko elaborately put - fairytale salaries.
Beer was twice as expensive, coke and similar dirnks as well, fuel was around 2 EUR, in Baltics its around 1.50, Hotel was 130 eur per night with sauna and breakfast included right near a ski resort.... Same as Baltics for similar package and location... Everything else about the same or even cheaper... and way tastier (true to God, I am not lying)
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yeah, you always have to look at whole package - cost of living (or whatever they call this index)
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I mean no harm.)
Simply with our salaries of 150 Euros, I can only dream about the old GTX 1050ti to play ETS2 without lags.
But all Ukrainians now have one Top Dream.) We are infinitely grateful for All the help of Sweden and all countries for support this Ukraine Dream.)
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I mean no harm.
Ofc not. Didn't take it as such.
But everytime a tech product is listed as 399(dollar) - over here, we expect 599(euro).
Also our "high" salaries are tax cut by 33-40%
And going out for 1 glass of beer is 10$. Buying 1 kilo of ground beef is 14$
Sweden has never been a monetary paradise where everyone walks around spending for fun. It's a paycheck to paycheck kind of living. We do have free healthcare (yay) But buying tech.. You better be a high income taker, which I am not ^_^
I'll be using my 1060 for years to come.
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Games for ru is still 1/3 from EU prices.( So is it possible to go to other country and by cheaper or ask some one to send it?)
P.s. In Ukraine we have ground beef for $6-7.
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I have a GTX 1050 2 GB and i am in germany.
So i feel you very well.
So, sadly, not everywhere, in a rich (but in high debts) country is "milk and honey floating on the street" :o(
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i have the 1050 mini (2gb) and still playing the new games also here in Argentina is kinda impossible to buy a new card too
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Upgraded to 1070 last year :D Ill be good thanks..
Prices are crazy though.
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they are, but luckily have come down quite a bit from the peak (yet still feels too expensive)
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Definitely. I remember I was putting together a workstation for my previous workplace around the time covid was active... Had to buy 3070 for almost 1k ............ But we needed it so had to buy anyway.. Current prices even seem almost decent :D
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yikes, that's cosmic price :P luckily I got mine few months ago as used (for couple months) for 350€
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1060 6gb is still enough for me)) I have been using it since 2017, do not plan to change it for the next 3-4 years
leather scammer scamming people, this shit is not worth that kind of money
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as long as you are happy and don't feel very limited by it :)
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Me and my 1070 are gonna be together forever 🤗
Screw you Jensen!
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what you mean by that? you don't have any 40 series for sale, or there is some statement that these cards won't be in the near future?
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well those xx50 tend to have shorter lifespan (ofc very much depends on what you doing with it)
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oh, 1050Ti had 4GB, which I guess lasted more time :)
tru to that, honestly I still haven't got into raytracing, but DLSS can help quite a lot for higher resolutions
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Go for RX 6700 10GB or RX 6700 12GB they are great budget cards and you not brake bank stronger performs around 70% of RTX 4070 for half price.
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RT require in newest game 13GB+ Vram go for RTX 4080 if you care about RT
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well to be sure always check gaming benchmarks, at I thought about how awesome ray tracing would be, but once I could use it, then felt pretty meh (propably just haven't played the game which changes my mind)
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well, now that you brought up path tracing, then I'm all hands for it - not only for graphical benefits but surround sound too
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I couldn't find better information for now
https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks/vrworks-audio
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yeah I know, but hoping it will be more widespread soon
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Me too. People always only consider graphics, but good sound can be equally effective. What would Hellblade be without that amazing sound design. I'd argue sound is more important to that game's atmosphere than graphics by far.
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Meh, even a 4090 isn't powerful enough to really cope with full scene RT, it's very much a tech that's being pushed before its time. Give it five years, next console gen, etc. then likely it'll be beginning to live upto the hype.
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With DLSS and FG you easily get 100+fps. I'd say that's already very playable.
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Depends on the game.
Enable path tracing in Cyberpunk and even with DLSS3 + FG enabled on a 4090 you wont get a stable 60fps.
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Well, I get 100-120fps while running through the city at 3440*1440, and 107fps average in the benchmark (DLSS Quality, FG on). If you're talking about 4k, that will be a bit less, sure. But from what I've seen it should still be around 60 with DLSS Quality and probably very stable 60+ in Balanced, if I'm not mistaken.
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as jiggakills already said depends on game, also most games don't have whole ray tracing stuff
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I assumed we're talking about Cyberpunk, since that is the only modern AAA game with (almost) full path tracing. It's also the only game I'm aware of that brings the 4090 to its limits.So I wouldn't say it depends on the game, since there's really only one at the moment. ;)
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oh okay, but I thought FULL ray tracing wouldn't be that "buttersmooth" as you claimed above
EDIT: I checked at GamersNexus "Cyberpunk RT Overdrive Benchmarks, Image Quality, Path Tracing, & DLSS" video and seems that really RT with DLSS+FG can hit 100+ FPS avg (on 4K), yet I had no idea it had separate stuff for path tracing, which also seemed to handle 60+ avg fps (with same settings)
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Any new 8GB GPU need cost max $250 otherwise will be need compete with RX 6700 10GB $280.
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on one hand it's not all about VRAM, but on another we definitely need it for technological advancements
I really hope that Nvidia's promised VRAM usage reduction software will benefit all - available to all (older Nvidia cards and also Red and Blue teams) plus most importantly easy implementation and great efficiency
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I'm barely managing with my RX570 4GB on low/mid settings in modern games - I could use an upgrade, but at those prices I'd probably just take the risk and buy used or wait some more. Not to mention that with how VRAM-hungry games are nowadays, buying a brand new card with 8GB feels a bit like asking for trouble.
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not all games are that troublesome, but we definitely see trend here
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Still have my tireless rx 580 8GB. I've considered many mid range GPU over the years, from a possible 3060, to more recently RX6700XT
But even within this upcoming new generation, there is no mid range as impressive as Pascal and Polaris were.
These days some games, can't maintain 60fps, on a 580, mostly badly optimized
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bad optimization is what make most people to consider higher end GPUs, which in turn demotivates devs as people can run game
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this annoys me cuz i just paid $350 for 3060 12gb. rather have waited and paid the $400 for 4060
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If you're still in the return window send it back.
I paid about $550 for a 3060 12GB early last year, wasn't the card I wanted at all but it was all I could get from a real store instead of scalpers at the time (I refuse to buy from scalpers).
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Got a 6900XT to play on 1440p so...I'm set for quite some years.
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There is no reason to get RTX 4060 Ti 16Gb if it cost 100€ more, if it was 50€ you could at least think of it
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Yup, same mindset here, they basically say 8GB is worth 100$ which is bollocks
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the thing is.... RTX 4060 Ti is too weak to run most games on max 1080p anyway, so most of the games will not utilize 16gb. However, if the price difference was smaller you could go for future support
Like AMD 6000s series was crushed by Nvidia 3000 series on release, but after AMD gpu price drops they are better now at the current prices and more Vram :D
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Im sorry but saying "RTX 4060 Ti is too weak to run most games on max 1080p anyway" is just ridiculous, At 1440p, sure, but not at 1080p, maybe without few recent ones, its just to early to say what performance it offers. Still i agree that 100$ just for an extra 8GB of VRAM is bullshit.
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I was wondering same thing, as I ran 1440p with med/high with my 1660 Ti and now my 3070 is doing same with 4K
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Running Cyberpunk 2077 RT Overdrive ain't gonna be that easy on RTX 4060 Ti, if RTX 4070 already running at 36-46 FPS on 1440p
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thats one (extreme) example and im sure you can find few more, but still its far from "most games"
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we will get more and more games like these in future
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ofc we will, but most likely before they become new "norm" then it's time to upgrade GPU anyway, I feel ya, it's just I ain't the player who jumps into games within their first year-two :)
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well, ofc higher stuff requires more GPU and VRAM, but a lot games don't require 16GB VRAM even for 4K - very much depends on optimization and which technologies are used
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I was using AMD R9 380 2GB until recently, was playing indie games mainly so it wasn't big of a problem but I wanted to try some newer AAA titles also. Found good deal for a new RX 6800 XT and jump in performance was quite significant as you can imagine. :))
Still bottlenecked by CPU but looking forward into it. Was thinking about 7800X3D, 7700X or 13600KF.
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dang, that's upgrade, I remember when I went from GTX 650 to GTX 1660 Ti, which wasn't that impressive upgrade but still finally I could play all games without worrying about VRAM and better yet crank those settings to ultra
you thinking about 7700X as upgrade with your current mobo?
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Thanks for the the thread. I was hyped about this nvidia generation, but waaaay too expensive. 8GB is useless for a new card today
Don't worry about the blacklist. People will blacklist for multiple nonsensical reasons. Let me Whitelist you as compensation.
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I know why I have got about 30-40 from start of Ukraine-Russia war found some russian accounts who were among them
I went to see stats for appro. number, but also saw that it shows 1 blacklist and 0 whitelist for 20th Mar, now I have no idea if stats are adequate
<3
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The announcement of the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB seems to have consequences as owners of a RTX 4070 who are still in a 30 day return window (e.g. Amazon) are starting to send back their cards allegedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8su5jJhg4ck
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lol, kind of hope Nvidia doesn't get other idea that adding VRAM for too high price is way to go
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Don't buy a 8gb card.. minimum 10-16gb should bw your target. All Nvidia 8gb cards are struggling currently.. I was astonished to see my friends 3060ti getting beaten in Hogwarts legacy by Amd's 12gb card (forgot model) . What is more, texture were not working properly with 3060ti whereas amd card was doing fantastic job at highest settings. Nvidia always treating their customers bad. 3060ti should have 12gb or 16gb ram.
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might be case with new games - I think it's more related to worse optimization, but have no idea, yet ofc VRAM usage will raise over the years and future proofing would need higher indeed
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New game are on UE5 and dev during interview told that 16GB is new Standard, 8Gb only allow play game on Ultra low texture and no shadows at 720P
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well tru that, we still haven't seen full potential with UE5, but I wouldn't put 8GB part that harshly
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EDIT: apparently some people just don't like me, have received 4 blacklists since creation of this thread
Fanbois still going with theirs wars
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possible, but as I consider myself fanboy of Team Green then I don't get what blacklist gets you? it's all about discussions and people opinons here :D
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https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4060-4060ti
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-4060-4060ti/ <- more informative page
Same as rumours said earlier
EDIT2: apparently some people just don't like me, have received 8 blacklists since creation of this thread
EDIT3: cheers EmeraldTablet for GamersNexus' video
seeing first benchmarks, even I have to admit that 4060 Ti is not even worth consideration for the performance it offers (maybe only if your GPU is end of life cycle) :P
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