Hello, folks.
I need help finding a new CPU. It seems that a Ryzen 5 5600X is my best option right now. Price is ok and all, but it's been years since my last AMD. I had a FX4300 (iirc) and it was awful. I'm currently using an intel i5-6500.
Questions:
Is the Ryzen 5 5600X a decent upgrade?
Should I look into Ryzen 7/ i7 or is the price jump not worth it?

Obligatory GA

EDIT: Thanks for all the advice, guys. I got the 5600X. Now, I have another question:
Apparently, I'm gonna need a new motherboard as well, suggestions?

2 years ago*

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Ryzen 7 is definitely good. I've been using my Ryzen 5 2600X for years now, and it's been good enough for me. Can recommend amd.

2 years ago
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I have Ryzen 5 2600 too. Pretty nice CPU for me and what a luck that I got it year ago before prices have risen.

2 years ago
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It depends - what is your budget and what do you plan on doing? For 'just gaming' 5600x is fine but if you like to have multiple programs open when gaming, planning on doing any streaming or video editing etc the extra cores will be handy. I would look into an intel 12600k as well. As it stands it is a better product than the 5600x and costs less but the motherboards are generally more expensive so may want to price out a 5600x/B550 system and an 12600k or 12700k z690 system and see if the price difference is worth it. Realistically for gaming though you still want most of the money on a gpu, especially when the price of them is so insane.

I've got a 5600x atm myself though and very happy with it for my needs as I close all windows before gaming anyway other than leaving discord open!

2 years ago
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Last generation intel cpu's are power drainers...

2 years ago
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The 12600k isn't exactly last gen when it was released a month ago. It destroys the 5600x and 5800x and uses about the same power as a 5800x. In fact hardware unboxed showing it using less when playing Cyberpunk than a 5800x. https://youtu.be/LzhwVLUVork?t=795

2 years ago
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Anything above coffee lake is still overkill and taking way more power consumption then needed, in some countries power usage costs are high.

2 years ago
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I literally linked a video showing it uses 17w more power than a 5600x which is what everyone here is recommending and calling efficient. My gpu is undervolted and uses 250w...Seems like quibbling over nothing.

2 years ago
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+1, but atleast the i5 even unlocked should be the same coolingwise as an 8700k ... anything that can cool 150-160w is fine.

2 years ago
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Just gaming. I don't use my pc for anything else.

2 years ago
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The Ryzen 5 5600X is pretty sweet and will give you a nice energy efficiency
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/19.html

As far as gaming goes, it's really really close to much more powerful (and expensive) alternatives
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/22.html

That would be my go-to CPU if I had to pick one now

2 years ago
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5600X seems likem y best bet. Thanks for the links!

2 years ago
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if youre not trying to overclock your memory to more than 3400mhz the 5600x should be fine. 3400mhz seems to be my wall for 3600 rated sticks. someone told me its cause that cpu doesnt support higher. also supposedly amd cpus have a problem with non bdie type memory sticks and those have been discontinued so they are in short supply. also that issue ive ran in with that may have had to do with my mobo being to new and not having updated bios or whatever (until recent update could only get about 3200mhz). I do VR stuff tho, probably only reason ram speed matters to me.

2 years ago
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b-die hasn't been discontinued.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

2 years ago
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they stoped making the chip like a couple years ago. if thats the same bdie finder i used toget mine there was only one type that wasnt priced high as shit

2 years ago
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They're expensive for sure, but that's because they can hit a cas latency of 14 at up to 4000mhz, which no other chips on the market can match.

2 years ago
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also even in vr miy cpu is rarely over 50% usage. your gpu is more important and if bitcoin drops below 40k you will probably see used gpu prices dump.

2 years ago
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I don't know anything about overclocking, so I won't be doing any of that. The R5600X seems good enough to me.

2 years ago
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5600X is a good upgrade.
Keep in mind AMD will be showing off new CPUs at CES 2022 which happens in a little over 2 weeks, so prices may drop just before/after that.

2 years ago
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I doubt we'll see any price drops in my third world country while it's still being made. Prices only drop around here 2-3 years after it stops being manufactured.

2 years ago
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It's a decent upgrade and trust me, AMD of today is nowhere near where they used to be back then (if that's what makes you worried). Buy and be happy, don't worry.

2 years ago
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Good to hear. That FX4300 left a terrible impression on me.

2 years ago
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Is the Ryzen 5 5600X a decent upgrade?
YES. My i5-6600k needs to be replaced, too. 4 cores without HT is not enough any more.
Thanks for the giveaway! Have a bump!

2 years ago
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Depending on your graphics card situation the 5600G or 5700g might be an idea as well.
They are both a lil bit slower in the raw performance compared to their counter X parts, but both come with integrated graphics, which can be pushed so far to almost reach the results of a gtx 660.

2 years ago
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I have a 1070, so I believe that's ok for the near future. It's just my CPU that is bottlenecking my GPU or at least, I think so.

2 years ago
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That`s a nice card, using one myself.

There are several points that could count into that decision atm.

  1. There might be a new platform in 2022.
  2. Electricity bill.
  3. Re-usability (that would aim for the G series, but does not need a second GPU in case u wanna use the current in a different system)
  4. Specs of the other components
  5. the way you configure the games. Framelock at 60 / 90 / 120 MHZ refresh rate

1

There is an up and a downside to this. Besides the PCIe crap running atm 4th and 5th gen, this really gets out of sanity. Let alone that we still have no GPU that would max out a 3.0 x16 during gaming, we have Pcie 5.0 with intel now. Since all you stated would be gaming... I might think about 4.0 at best.
So we got DDR5 coming up. Expensive but very interesting Layout. Might even boost AMD further.
AM4 is running out and AM5 might be the next thing. No idea what they are planing to use as RAM there.
AM4 is really matured, so might be a good point to get the maxed out end of line CPU's. On the other hand, you never know, maybe they put in NAVI into the next CPU's that might change a lot of things.

2

I am using the 5600G as main rig atm and have not even installed the 1070 in here, runs just fine. Thx to the really nice bios features, you can actually lock down the overall power consumption. So the 5600g would be able to run at 35W, 45W and 65W Tdp. Results in a power consumption from max 80W at 35W TDP up to max 150W at 65W TDP. So you can pretty much config it all the way you want. At least in games, I noticed no significant difference and so I ended up running that thing at 35W TDP with powersafing profile. That makes this system consume about 30W during browsing, movies and office work. I measured what it pulls from the wall here ;) (monitor not included)

3

Not everyone will have a spare dedicated GPU lying around, so this might be a valid point for a kind of mini rig like a small ITX system or DTX like Desk Mini later on. Since the 5600G got a pretty good GPU onboard, that would even make a console like TV rig later on.

4

To pin point that thought, think of your monitor as reference point. Max resolution, MHZ supported. GSYNC / Fsync on board? Numbers are a fine thing to look at, but no point to get a system that runs with up to 300FPS, if you cant handle it at all. Besides, even though the 1070 performs well, it doesn't even show up in the comparisons anymore.

5

As long as you don't plan to run the GPU at full load all the time, you won't even really notice a performance difference in most AMD builds. I am comparing the 5600g to 3900x here. It all comes down to the way u want to utilize the system.

I have been using the 3900x as gaming and streaming rig at the same time. There was no issue running it at 45W TDP and still achieve 100FPS in Warframe during streaming. Yet, I got the 5600G as well and use that one as daily driver. Works for Streaming as well, but you do notice the lack of cores there. On the other hand, you can utilize the integrated graphics to deal with the render work, which empties the dedicated GPU for only gaming. So depending on what you get, all that really matters is how you are going to use it. At least in my area the 3600 is out of stock and the 5600X more expensive than the 5600G. Yesterday you could get 5600G for 229€.

Regarding the question if you wanna get more cores or not. The more, the better you can work - the more you get, the more it will pull, regardless if you use them all or not. A solid upgrade has always been quite in the middle, so going for a 8/16 system would be pretty much the middle ground of what you can get. Unless you don't plan on doing some workload that actually uses the cores you got, you will only waste money, with overpaying for core count you don't need and the electricity that comes with it. That's like getting a Lamborghini in 30 miles only area.
Currently we really got a fast and good growth in the performance again, yet it goes way to fast. So getting something that can be used in a different purpose does make the most sense, at least from my point of view. There might be the ultimate CPU for you in the next release, or you might just have missed the one you really wanted, because you waited to long.
There aren't that many games that will take full advantage of the more cores and most of the games will do good on either a 6 or 8 core. If it is about future prove... forget about that. With all the security holes that exist and pop up in media here and there, you should replace the system on a regular base, so planing on a system that should be lasting you decade and going all out on the Cpu makes no sense unless you can actually use that CPU to it's fullest.
Just look at the difference in performance between the 1600x and the 5600x. Buy reasonable and maybe one step ahead to get an extra year out of it. You can rather spend the saved money on parts that serve a real purpose, like putting it into decent Ram (32GB) or a 2TB SSD for your games.

Looking at your lib, the most played games, 5600G or 5600x will do just fine. Most of the games would even run on the integrated graphics without any issue.

If you go for a 5600G or 5700G CPU you might consider going ITX due the lack if Graphics ports on the other form factors. Aiming for a decent multi Monitor setup, you pretty much get anything you need from a Gigabyte B550I (very good VRAM as well can easily handle a 5950x) or if you don't care about OC the IGPU you could also go for a Gigabyte A520I (using that one for the 5600g build atm). If RGB is your thing, skip the A520I that is not working properly there.

If you are interested in some IGPU OC results Here you go:

2 years ago*
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I would wait and go with AMD after they release the refresh with 3D V-Cache. The extra cache should give an improvement in gaming over the current gen. They should be announcing them next month and hopefully be available in February.

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-zen-3-refresh-stacked-3d-v-cache-land-retail

2 years ago
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bump

2 years ago
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I really enjoy my Ryzen 7. It is a brand-new rig (from last Christmas, to be exact), but I still need a new GPU. Pretty much impossible to find one at the moment (heck, since last Christmas!).

2 years ago
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maybe i missed this, but what is your usage? the 6c/12t seems like the sweet spot for gaming
so the AMD 5600X is the perfect fit, or intel 12600k if you feel like it. any higher and it would not show much benefits for gaming
the amd FX was awful but it was cheap, and AMD made huge improvments since. charts and stuff
also depending on your GPU and screen you may not need a cpu upgrade anyway
check this https://www.techspot.com/review/2331-intel-5th-gen-vs-10th-gen/
or yt form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJaSCnVcCdQ

2 years ago*
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first and foremost, where are you from, it doesnt matter to recommend cpus if the price is outlandish in your area, then i need your budget, then we can discuss what makes sense

may i ask which gpu you have?
1070 ... decent enough for 1080p ... if you need a comparison in charts then take the 1660s/1660ti as comparison

2 years ago*
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I think you missed in on how AMD is wiping the floor with INTEL.
Starting from 2nd gen CPUs AMD beats the INTEL counter parts by far in terms of performance and bang for the buck.
in 2021 definitely stick to AMD.
Also don't save in on a few bucks better get Ryzen 7 for the additional 2 cores 4 threads.
And starting from Ryzen 5th gen you can get better performance out of a AMD graphics card.

2 years ago
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Depends on the price bracket. Intel's 10400F/11400F are the budget champions. Slightly less performance than 5600X but a whole 100$ cheaper. 12400F is coming next year and it will beat 5600X. I'm not shilling for Intel but AMD did raise prices for their current generation and never released a 200$ 3600 replacement because of the increased demand.

2 years ago
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Bump for motherboard suggestions. Thanks!

2 years ago
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Motherboards are tough to suggest because it really depends on what features you're after and what you're budget is.

The #1 thing I think you should look for is passive cooling since having a fan on the motherboard could lead to system failure later on. Often, but not always, passively cooled motherboards will have an "S" at the end of their model number (ex: "X570S").

Some will disagree with this, but I'd also recommend checking out VRM thermals when deciding, as boards that cheap out in this area should in theory be more likely to have catastrophic failures (ie. busrting into flame, which I've had happen).

It's also worth pointing out that depending on when a board was manufactured it may not accept your CPU without a bios update. This is very easy on ASUS boards because of their 'Flashback' feature which lets you update without an older CPU installed, but on some other boards you may need a Ryzen 3000 series CPU just to update the board to accept the 5000 series.

Personally I plan on building a top of the line Ryzen system soon (been saving quite a while to afford it), and am planning on either getting a "Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero" or "Asus ProArt X570-CREATOR WIFI" for the motherboard. They're very expensive, but from my research they were among the only B550/X570 boards that had (more or less) universally positive reception. Every cheaper board I looked at had know issues that I just don't want to deal with.

2 years ago*
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Thanks for the reply.
I was hoping to spend no more than $150 on a motherboard.
I saw an A520M S2H that seemed ok. It was around $100 and compatible with a Ryzen 5. Another option was a TUF GAMING A520M-PLUS.
The more expensive MSI MAG B550M seemed like a decent option too. Idk.

2 years ago
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On the lower end MSI B550M PRO-VDH, there's also version with integrated WiFi for slightly more. It has ok passive cooling on VRM, to the point it was able to hold 12-core just fine according to actual review (https://www.tomshardware.com/features/cheap-AMD-b550-motherboards-tested/5).

2 years ago
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^^

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