Potato jokes are still funny on giveaways?
Covid would actually make people spend more at home and thus here, although some might came into financial problems.
Things change, people change, something can still exist with changes?
Things here already changed way way back though, like 4 years ago when people started to leave, so before covid, before steam changes, it was because of other things.
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Things change, people change, hairstyles change, interest rates fluctuate.
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I’m not the first guy who fell in love with a woman that he met at a restaurant who turned out to be the daughter of a kidnapped scientist, only to lose her to her childhood lover who she last saw on a deserted island, who then turned out fifteen years later to be the leader of the French underground.
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I don’t think SG could or should fix any of these things.
Steam changing gifting policies won’t affect a majority of giveaways, as most are done through keys.
Covid brought more people into the website if anything.
And people have, are and will blacklist and fight over pointless things. That’s just the nature of humans and the internet.
As people go, new people come in. I think SG still has a long life ahead of it :)
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thought I was clear on meaning the fixes were on site itself not things CG can't fix, engagement etc.
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Then what do you want SG to fix? I responded to each of your points, and your main issue seems to not be with the site itself but with the users, which is something SG doesn’t have much control over.
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well, if you didn't notice SteamGifts are it's users
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Translation: "They should ban the people I don't like."
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„which is something SG doesn’t have much control over”
Most users are friendly and great people. There will always be bad apples in any website on the internet, so i don’t understand what you would want fixed here.
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SG has a long life ahead, especially so long as bundle sites keep releasing new bundles with at least one new-to-bundle game. Some of those folks who have disposable income and are generous will buy to give, while others of us who have less disposable income will buy bundles for that one or few games we don't have and want, but have no desire for the rest of the games. Rather than having multitude of keys sit on virtual shelves collecting dust, some of those keys will make it here.
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I'm sorry for your loss If you're implying that. About that question, well, I don't think there's a turning back as long as grey sites like G2A exist.
Region restrictions hit hard. I'm not very active here nowadays too, It's just an habit to visit the page.
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I'm sorry for your loss If you're implying that
Thanks
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I think that SG is stable enough, and I also think (though I'm not that active, even in terms of lurking) that it's not any worse than in the past couple of years, in terms of how friendly the natives are, or is even better.
It's easier to get games for free in general than to get them on SG. I think that SG is largely a game, but that's okay if people like playing it. Things like puzzles are what makes SG special.
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6-7 years ago was the best friendly site I found, then later become some sort of I don't like you, here are all my comrades to hunt you down
We have seen users left the site for this, good users, contributive with community, then external factors like gifting covid etc had impact on site
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How would anyone "hunt you down"?
If you expose yourself with controversial comments or threads, that's your choice. SG doesn't need to protect you from the feedback you willingly cause.
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Not me, but people in the past, I don't give a duck about that, but have seen witch hunts from specific user groups.
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Sure, some nasty things happened in all these years. Shit happens where many humans gather. But it's absolutely not an issue on a scale that would require SG to take action.
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As I see it, SG 2 with its blacklists was a turn to the worse, though I'd say that the real reason is the success of the site coupled with ineffective (or misguided) moderation. The more successful a site is, the more jerks are around. They're still the same percentage of people, there are just more of them because there are more people in general, and they tend to set the tone simply because that's what they do, take the piss on others because of small things they dislike.
I think that SG being smaller now makes it more welcoming again.
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I don't visit SG to win games primarily. Thus I have the luxury to be myself without the need of constructing an online persona to please everyone out of fear of being blacklisted. I've met some people here who impressed me and that's more as I can say of other forums.
So overall I feel the perspectives of the site are sound.
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I take me that luxury too because that's me :o)
And yes, here are very nice people and the opposite. Sadly the nice ones got lesser in the 3 years+ that i experience this site.
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Unless something major were to happen regarding how Steam Keys work, or bundles work that would hurt SG, I think it will be fine for quite a while.
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1.1 million users on this site, 1.5 BILLION PC gamers out there. New users find SG as old users leave, some people become less active as some become more active. SG community will evolve over time, but I don't believe it's going away any time soon.
P.S. Every time somebody tells me get the vaccine it makes me even less likely to get it. I won't be guilted or bribed into it.
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P.S. Every time somebody tells me get the vaccine it makes me even less likely to get it. I won't be guilted or bribed into it.
That's the worst argument not to protect yourself but regardless, it feels like MeeMesmo is speaking from personal experience and sadness here, I don't believe he was preaching.
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I have done, and continue to do, plenty to protect myself and others. I agree it hurts to lose loved ones, and my heart goes out to those who have lost friends and family. I don't think I'm the only one who resents the constant pleas and demands to get vaccinated. Maybe if people stop trying to convince us or force us to get it we'll feel better about it.
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you should not care so much about what other people say, make your own way
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Blacklisting isn't really meant for punishing users, I just think of it as, "why would I want to give a gift to/receive a gift from someone I don't like?" as no one should have to. I blacklist people who act rude because I simply want nothing to do with them and them to have nothing to do with me, not as a punishment but because they wont appreciate anything I have to offer and I don't want anything of theirs.
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Honestly, none of it matters to me. If the site failed and shut down tomorrow, ah well. If it lasts another 10 years, I'll continue entering giveaways here and there, and giving away games on occasion. As for blacklists, don't care, some blacklists may be superficial or misguided, but in the end people are free to do as they wish. As for bullying and crap, just don't waste your time with threads that are controversial. There are a lot of things talked about on these forums where my opinion would stray quite a bit from the norm, and many would possibly brand me a bigot or some nonsense for it with little understanding of who I am as a person, or why I think how I do, so I just avoid it.
In the end, it's nice to win stuff sometimes, and it's nice to give stuff that might bring some joy to a persons day. That's all that I care about.
Also, sorry, not getting any vaccines until certain members of my family are permitted to do so. Last thing I want is for a vaccine to have me walking around my immunocompromised loved ones, unaware I'm a carrier making them ill. I'd rather see the symptoms so I know not to put them in harms way.
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At the beginning of the year, humanity almost killed me with a car, not a Corona.
That was more serious and SG is fine.XD
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What happened? A car yeeted me 6 months ago here. It was not enjoyable, to say the least
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📝NSFW
I'm still recovering from the effects of this accident.
It will be six months in two weeks.
Humanity's insurer is considering terminating my insurance if I don't heal.
This is not the time to consider the specifications of an earth-destroying bomb.
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Oh I see. I got hit on September 12, when did you? But it sounds like you didn't suffer a lot of damage, right? I got my spine broken, left hip broken in two places and crushed pelvis. I couldn't move at all for 2 months (only head). But I'm great now and I'm walking again
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It was January 18th, right?
That meant I had to make GA and jigidi the next day.lol
Yeah, you're right, it wasn't a big deal at first.
After that, I got sick rapidly. XD
(It was a bad time to be in the middle of declaring a state of emergency...)
It seems that the bones are intact.
The nerves don't seem to be good.
I can walk and drive at least.
But I get tired easily. And I suffer from back pain.
Apparently, the vibrations of humanity's cars are not good.(ヽ´Θ`)-3
When I think of the lingering effects of the accident, to a greater or lesser extent, I feel bitter about the current situation where the perpetrator is getting away with it.
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The guy that hit me tried to run away too but his car was too damaged so he didn't get far. He is probably going to jail once the trial is over
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I'm glad that the perpetrators were punished correctly.
Since the accident, the area where I am hiding is said to be one of the most unsafe areas in the country these days.
I feel the same way.
The police do not want to take "reports of damage.
(It needs to be investigated.)
The police treat it as an "accident report".
(There is no obligation to investigate.)
One university hospital did not send a doctor for a sudden "corona" infection because they wanted to harass another hospital.
There are schools and school boards that cover up outrageous cases of junior high school students being killed by their peers.
It's all such bad news.
I am more afraid of humans causing accidents than I am of Corona.
I am afraid of humanity that can kill its own kind.(ﾉΘ`)oh..Humans?! 👹👿🐙
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You're one tough bird, Xarabas! Very glad to read you got well. Must have been a scary time.
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Well, I would not recommend it. Contrary to popular beliefs, having your spine broken after being hit by a car is not very much enjoyable. In fact, I might even go as far to say it is the complete opposite of enjoyable
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I can only imagine as my pain threshold is very very low. So low that it almost hurts to see people get hurt in movies.
So I definitely will take you up on that recommendation and play frogger with those running cars.
At least the guy got caught and is looking at jail time.
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You ever put your hand on your chest and feel your heart beating? Broken spine is like that, except you can feel your whole body pulsating
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Aw man. Now you're trying to make me pass out. :P
I have mad respect for you. I know you had no choice but to deal with it but damn, that sounds like the kind of things that leave people completely unable to cope.
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Unfortunately, I can't remember what kind of car I was driving due to the shock...
It was a old white car.(*p'Θ'q) Maybe so.
It is possible that the plate on his head flew off, but it is on his head now.
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I have decided that my cause of death is laughter death.
It's silly to make people sad.
This is the process I need to go through in order to have the Kappa death anniversary celebration rather than consider paying for a funeral.(*p'Θ'q)
Even if it was right after the accident when I felt like I was about to die.
Doing what you want to do when you feel the death flag is a necessary act to accomplish "living".
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I don't think that covid has anything to do with it. This happens to every community. In order for a site like SG to remain popular, you need a steady influx of new people. I've moderated and then admin'd (non-owner admin) a forum for several years. From about 2001 to 2014, that site held the number 1 search spot for a popular search term on Google. That's when Google had site rankings. But still, there was dwindling membership. It hit it's peak around 2004-2008 and then we saw membership falling every year since. Sure, new people still signed up, but not as many as in the peak years. The owner decided to sell the site in 2014 after 12-13 years and that was it, the beginning of the end. It was taken offline by it's dreadful new ownership in 2016.
SG has something different in that it's a giveaway site and not just a community, so it's going to have a longer lifespan perhaps than a simple forum community. I can see it being around for many more years purely because people like free things. lol. But it certainly relies on Steam remaining the most popular site for younger gamers. Epic is trying hard to change that by buying the Fortnite generation with a free games library.
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I know that feeling; SG is the only site I visit regularly that hasn't died or turned into a zombie atp. Feels bad man :(
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I think SG will be around either as long as Steam is still a thing, or gifting games becomes impossible/extremely difficult.
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10 years.
All things you mentioned ate irrelevant.
In 10 years EGS would give away every game on earth for free and consequently steam will go bankrupt. No steam = no steamgifts right?
STEAMgifts is dead. Long live EPICgifts!
cool name though
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Site "died" when it decided to not stop all the big community members leaving. It created a huge divide between prominent members, some mad at the lack of action from mods/CG and the other side mad that they were being called out for it. That entire war raged for way too long and morphed into several other wars after it. Amusingly, eventually the trolls left as there was no one left to troll, so maybe it will recover now. But I doubt the really top community and gifters would ever come back properly. They've moved on, the sites different from what they left any way.
Best thing is to just move on collectively, start new groups, become the new community leaders. This site will be around for as long as CG keeps making add revenue from it, so for a long long time yet, all the site needs is traffic. Forums are a very small part of that.
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What are you talking about? The site isn't dead or anywhere near dead.
Every community has this "boohoo, the mods/admins don't do anything" attitude among a few. That's normally sparked because they wanted something done that wasn't done to suit them. They leave, and the community continues. I've seen this happen time and time again across many communities that I've been part of over the past 20 years (basically since I was a kid in high school).
I've only been here a couple of years and this is one of the most active communities outside of social media/reddit. So no, I will be sticking around here for a while yet. lol. New communities and new community leaders would be plagued by the exact same BS. There will always be people who feel that you aren't doing enough to keep them happy. It's just the way the cookie crumbles.
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I definitely would add region locks and change in Steam gifting system into the list of problems, but current SG has nowhere the activity, creativity and interaction as it had 4-5 years ago. It's not dead by any means, but it's not even a third of what it was. Multiple community-train level of events disappeared, puzzles got simpler to the point of jigidis or disappearing, because it did not worth to make new ones when it's so hard to get good prizes, and many people also stopped caring about solving them for the same reason.
I did not had a part in most feuds and I'm still not sure what started some.
like a happy neighbourhood when it turns out that some people do this behind the scenes, others talk about that while acting nice and AOK towards others, then the usual "why mods let them do X" ... and then people hear half truths, side with people who did things that are okay in their books while disliking others. Then add the real or perceived lack of moderator activity and the feel of support being biased towards some users, either positively or negatively.
Many really active people left the site for being tired of being part of this, or listening to it.
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Yep, that's EXACTLY what happens. I have seen it too many times.
And I know in one instance on a community I was a member of, staff themselves were involved in spreading rumours. One mod didn't like how things were being managed, at least from his perspective and talked to people on a chatroom. He talked bad about the site's owner and in the end built up enough of a following to create his own site. That pet project fell apart fairly quickly since he did a much worse job than the guy he was criticising, and the first site died due to lack of membership/new content. I left long before all that came to a head. I just couldn't stand all the drama. The important point was that there was nothing wrong with how the site was being ran. One guy spread enough rumours and nonsense to build up enough anger.
Sometimes it's better off not to know about the drama. It makes for a much happier experience. And I also know that you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. No matter what you do, or how hard you work at something, there will always be someone that will want you to do more. =)
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Every community has this "boohoo, the mods/admins don't do anything" attitude among a few. That's normally sparked because they wanted something done that wasn't done to suit them. They leave, and the community continues. I've seen this happen time and time again across many communities that I've been part of over the past 20 years (basically since I was a kid in high school)
Pretty much the gist of it. What's funny is that sometimes those that complain and point out how this or that place is bad are the same that try to ruin in for everyone with their toxicity (this is in no way related to Wallister or his comment, just a general remark)
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It did take far too long for proper moderation though. I think we had 3 mods when it kicked off properly like 6 years ago? Wasn't enough to deal with the real issues that were cropping up whatever that number was. Also the rules were very very grey at best.
Its sorted itself out now though by the looks of things, I think everyone leaving was a good thing so the whole place could start afresh.
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I think we had 3 mods when it kicked off properly like 6 years ago?
What do you mean? SG is now turning 10. Unless you mean that time when SG got the redesign. Was that 6 years ago?
But regarding bad actors, it is the circle of life in most of the community forums. Trolls and idiots come in, they get mad about something (either by starting beef with others or being upset that the site isn't run the way they envisioned), they throw tantrums in the forums for a while, they get the attention, the attention dwindles after a while and they leave or stop being active as much. Rinse and repeat. Such people feed on attention and the worst thing you can do is give it to them.
But I'll say this, one thing that bothers me personally is the leniency of support (speaking now as a regular user). I don't know if you remember jade as one of the former mods, but you could not fuck around with that guy. Nowadays I see people getting up to EIGHT infractions before getting permabanned. That's just ludicrous.
I remember recently, a new user registered and she made a bunch of high-value giveaways until one of those bad actors got somehow in his head that she is definitely an alt account of one former member that quit SG. So what did he do? He kept going in her topics and calling her out for being an alt acc (mind you, we did an IP check, e-mail check, and some other stuff that I can't share and they all came back negative. The user is even located in a whole different continent). He only stopped after some other user called him out on it since it really started to become a problem. Luckily, that new user is still here and active but that kind of bullshit is more than enough to turn everyone away from SG and it is the kind of harassment that definitely warrants a permanent suspension in my book.
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I remember Jade, but I also remember there being a lot of issues with his modding and that whole controversy.
I think I may have undersold it and there was a degree of hyperbole, it was more like 4 years ago. I'd rather not drag it all up again, but it was around when Rachel left, BAA dissolved and the whole forum just descended into madness. There was about 3 active mods at the time, there was Jatan, Khalak and SleepyCat. I think pretty much everyone else was inactive. Then we had that wave of hiring a bunch of new mods...a lot of who had no real power so could only come in and say "hey, please stop" and tell other mods to shut the threads.
There was a certain prominent person who got escalating bans and I had huge issues with, just felt like they were getting away with saying some pretty shitty stuff. I'm sure they felt the same way vice versa. Just felt like something that could have stopped very quickly if needed.
Shame to hear about the recent stuff, I've always maintained there was a core of bad eggs who where the same 2 or 3 people involved in every single incident. Until they went in some way shape or form the same patterns would continue to happen. So I dunno who did it or why, but I can only hazard a guess. Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Going through old threads tonight, it was a shame, clicking on old peoples names and seeing "last online 3 years ago" etc. I don't think those people would come back, even if a lot of them said they would if person X left. Times change, its certainly time for the new kids on the block to make this place something special. It's cool to still see familiar names, personally I drop in maybe once a year or if I get told to go look at something, but all motivation to contribute got sucked out of me. I wish the whole place the best of luck though.
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I feel like you either didn't actually read the full comment or you didn't understand it.
SG was a lot more active than it is now, that in no way means that its dead. Which is why I said move on from saying "its dead Jim" every few years since the huge war from loads of top contributors sent people fleeing.
There'll be another top group of people, and they'll also leave. Thus the cycle continues.
What you said was exactly what I said worded slightly differently.
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Okay. =) I did think you were saying "It's dead Jim, we should all leave and create our own sites." lol.
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Thats where a bunch of people already retreated to.
Its not dead, but honestly scrolling down to the bottom of the forum and seeing "last updated 2 days ago" shows how much it has died from what it was. Threads would get pushed 2nd or even 3rd page within a day, especially during big events.
Not acknowledging that would be disingenuous, but I dont see it shutting down any time soon. The forums were always a small vocal part of the community. It would be sad to see this place just become a giveaway page and not a community though. So whilst you should acknowledge it, people should also create mew events, groups and puzzles etc rather than reminiscing about old times.
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So whilst you should acknowledge it, people should also create mew events, groups and puzzles etc rather than reminiscing about old times.
Okay, okay D: it's in the works
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SG does not have shareholders or issues with user count/activity. Bundled giveaways are a constant, so I don't think the website is going away.
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Just seeing the site stats, Steam changing their gift policies, COVID, Users blacklisting different opinions to "punish", users pointing fingers to other users for things they said 2 years ago, users making other users to leave the site entirely or commanding minions to harass them. Support not taking hands on some of those bullies because reasons.
I took a break from SG and some of it's users, and not sure if I will come back as before.
And just wondered, how many time you give to SG to fix it's path, or leave as a Internet hero.
May I be pessimistic, don't know.
PS: please, put the COVID vaccine, losing people for this thing, hurts.
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