You double posted the thread just to increase your comment to entry ratio!!!
Just kidding
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It also shows activity in the forums. Of my current comments, maybe a couple of hundred are in giveaways, and mostly the small ones for specific groups.
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It isn't that hard if you spend time in the forums. 100 is nothing. You have been here for at least a year and have 200 comments. I've been here about 8 months and have 3800. Basically, I post in two weeks what you have done in a year.
I'm not even that active here. I get a couple of hundred posts on GameFAQs a day.
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i agree with Delta, just talking a lil on the forum spending abt 10-15 mins gets u a ratio boost, it myt take some days, but it's not that hard/
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Makes no sense, i do come to the forums and each time i comment a few times in some different topics, be it serious talk or trolling. A comment is a comment!
Also i get more entries in giveaways than i do with comments, so yes, i do agree with OP. Ratio 1:1 is very stupid, 2:1 is plain stupid, 3:1 is stupid, 4:1 is less stupid, 5:1 now that's reasonable.
No way in hell a person can put an equal ratio if they end up spending all the points they have, like me. Unless spam. It's like 300 points split into 20-25 entries and 5 comments in return, that's basically how i do things in here.
Most people consider a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio good around these parts, those people need to get a life. This is steamgifts, not steamcommentsforgifts/commentgifts/steamspam/commentspam/steamepeen/steamratio/steamcommentgiveawayratioequalsgoodmember.
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A common courtesy towards the giveaway creator giving just about 3-5 seconds while entering the giveaway is not stupid. if you start thinking that way even the common courtesies of real life are stupid. but just that the person is giving something and you might win that thing is enough to say a simple thank you.
And another thing is that no group forces you to be part. Its just their own requirements so it's not much to fret about if the comment : entry ratio seems stupid to you.
Why should their opinion matter to you? Be happy about entering the damn giveaways and enjoy your life (which u clearly think is better then those who spend their times on the forum being much more active)
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All i see is blah blah blah and nothing new to me. Been here for too long and this type of reply is getting old, comment:ratio giveaways/groups are indeed stupid, take it or leave it.
I do make giveaways myself, i don't give a damn if everyone comments or not, all i want is that the winner says something in return even if it's a "F*ck you", showing that he is still breathing on the other side, other than that, i couldn't care less if i get 2345678909876543456789 comments saying thanks in one of my giveaways, put all of those comments together and the time spent to send each of them. It's a waste of time if you consider to think about it.
Also it all depends on the giveaways, there are groups i like to comment on the giveaways from time to time, like cherrypoppers giveaway group (just an example). Public or popular group giveaways with descriptions saying "You must say XYZ otherwise no gift" is a plain example on how humanity is freaking dumb and gets dumber as each day passes on, if you fully support that, then i pity you and the rest of the folk who does that.
And no, i don't put myself on top of anyone else, infact i hate that kinda of superiority crap, i usually put myself in other peoples skin or even in a worst roll, that's why i call it dumb, i got in their skin and thought "Lol what the F am i doing?"
For the record, you are also wasting your time replying back to me, thinking on what to say next. I'm not the type of giving in that easily, good luck to your future endeavours chap!
PS: Don't compare internet with real life, that's just wrong in so many ways...
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Well now that i have understood that you have made it a debate with u taking a side and not leaving it rather then having a discussion and trying to understand what the other person is trying to say (despite u saying that you try to put urself in some1 else's shoe), i will rather not waste my time after this reply.
Yes u personally dont give a damn about people commenting on your reply, that's you. but there are other people as well who do feel that if somebody is entering giveaway then they should atleast say something including myself, u shouldnt call them dumb
And just for calling out loud i can say whoever doesnt care about any stranger just entering there giveaway without being thankful is dumb and i pity them.
And last thing as i mentioned before, why does it bother you so much if a group is setting up a requirement with comment: entry ratio, if u dislike it u should just stay away from it, rather then criticising it so much. You do care abt it somewhere or the other, else u wouldnt be contesting it so badly.
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I don't spend all day on the forums. I post on the forums when someone talks about something interesting like I would in any forum, and I only post if I have something to say about it. You seem to be interested in a lot more than most obviously.
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I just keep up discussions about games.
And if there isn't anything to chat about, you can always make your own topics. :P
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It means I take part in the community, which when I joined was all I could offer, as I didn't have any way of purchasing online, limiting my options for giving away on this site. I become a person who people got to know and become friends with. I got well liked enough to make a suggestion for creating a mass Fortix giveaway, and some people joined in giving away copies because they wanted to help me to get the topic to grow, before the devs even offered to match us.
I'm a recognizable SteamGifts forum user. Who are you?
Well, maybe that last bit is a little harsh, I think I might has seen you once or twice. But surely you get what I mean.
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You are a lurker I've seen before. And Bioshock 2 doesn't hurt my ability to like you.
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And he thinks 100 posts over a year is active >_>
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I wasn't active on my account really for like the first 6 months at all. I just really started getting active over the last month or 2. I'm not saying 100 posts over a year is active. I'm saying that a high ratio with high entries seems unreasonable.
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I'm with you--when I create a giveaway, I don't care about people spamming "thanks" in the giveaways, and I rarely do in giveaways. I thank people when I win and get the same. I enjoy giving games and bringing a little happiness into someone's day, and when I win I can genuinely say thank you.
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You said in a post above that "100 comments or something would be more reasonable" hence my remark.
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the idea is to have people that do more than just say "thanks" in every giveaway they enter... i dont even say "thanks" in every single giveaway i enter (actually, some people bother that others reply "thanks" on their giveaways...), for that is the ratio...
probably if they recognize you, some of those gropus don't even check your actual ratio (or at least they are going to check commets>entries).
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The problem with ratio is that it doesn't give an idea of the quality of the posts. Someone could have a 1:1 ratio because they use an auto-thanks script. Or, they could have a ton of posts in the forum but they're all "+1" or similar, instead of well thought out responses.
I can't really think of a better way to measure activity unless you're willing to look at each person's post history closely, though, so I guess I understand why people use it.
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It shouldn't be important to anybody. If I join a group I'm active in the chat room and forums if there are any. Why would I post meaningless thank yous on things I enter?
I reply to every single comment on my giveaways and on that note only 2 people have ever replied to my comments on their comments, that means everybody is effectively spamming.
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weight. where can yew c how many comentz u posted? :o
new site faeture?/!
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I agree with OP. I have entered nearly 6000 giveaways, was I supposed to say "thank you" in each and every one of them? What's the point?
Similarly, my giveaway with most entries had over 4300 entries. Was I supposed to expect over 4300 people thanking me? Hell no.
Genuinely thanking someone after winning a giveaway should be enough.
Activity on forums is another matter entirely, but it still shouldn't matter in relation to giveaways entered. If I tried to keep up with my giveaways entered, I would have to spam up the whole forum. That's not in anyone's interest.
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Comment Lords is here to encourage thoughtful comments on giveaways, beyond a simple thank you.
Sometimes this can be difficult when a game gets posted thirty times in one day, but we try :)
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Yes this is a much better indication of activeness, though perhaps it'd be even better if this idea was put into an equation that calculates a score and gives more weight to more recent months. Otherwise, your ratio could be severely lowered based on long-ago inactivity.
For example, let's say you created your SG account but then forgot about the site within a day. A year later, you stumble back upon SG and decide to become highly active. You remain highly active for the duration of a full year. However, your ratio at the end of the second year of your account's existence is half of what it could be if you had created your account when you started being an active user instead of creating it a year before then.
This is an extreme example but you see my point. A truly proper measure of activity would have to not only utilize the comments/month number, but it would have to give more weight to more recent months. This would have to be implemented by cg as a website feature but it could be useful and it wouldn't be too hard to write (if cg or any other staff is reading this, I am glad to volunteer to help make this happen; I work with PHP a lot and stuff). Wow this comment has gotten way longer than the original "one or two sentences" I originally had in mind.
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I am posting here to improve my comment to entry ratio.
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Its just like saying, "I agree with this"
So no, you are wrong imo.
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Yes, but us intelligent people would make a comment starting with "I agree with this," then we would contribute to the conversation by saying how else we agree. That would be like me replying to your comment right now with "-1" instead of typing all I just said. It's spam at best and adds nothing to the conversation. This is a message board, not a fucking poll. We do not need to know how many people agree with someone.
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Wow what a hateful post, oh you so superior, by the way I do explain it when it needs further explaining, its doesn't always so +1 works. If someone took the words out of my mouth why say more then +1? Amazing...
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Ok, lets say someone says "Yeah that games is great, combines blah blah blah and blah, so its worth a buy" and I agree with that, the guy is looking for how many people also think its good to justify if its worth it, if he wrote basically what I would have, what is the issue with giving it a +1? Maybe you just don't agree with that tactic and thats fine but don't act all high and mighty like you are more intelligent then others because of it, so yeah, thats that.
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digg kept it to themselves.
reddit made it a trend. reddit is to blame for the severe decrease in comment quality across the internet. therefore, i blame reddit.
e. not that you're wrong. just that I have a large bone to pick and digg's already dead, so blaming its fetus makes sense.
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What??? posting on threads increase comment count??? lol
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Thank you for what I was thinking when I read the thread title.
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I often like to ask questions in my giveaways. It bolsters a greater sense of community if you actually get to know one another. I'll often go back through and read the comments and respond to the unique and interesting ones. Some private groups stress community over giveaways, and while a comment to entry ratio may not be the perfect criteria to use to judge whether someone will be active, it's usually included as a soft requirement, which can easily be overlooked if you're active and known on the forums.
You don't have to agree with it or think it's important as long as you respect that other people do. You're allowed to have your own opinions. There are plenty of other groups that don't have any requirements regarding comment to entry ratios. Find one that suits you, with people you enjoy and rules that you are comfortable with.
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How is this being ignorant and ungrateful? I don't agree with a single rule some people implement. They can run their group however they want. I am not saying that them making a group and giving stuff away is wrong, I am saying I do not understand their rule nor do I agree with it IF they even implement it.
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It's really a matter of taste. Some people want the giveaway threads to be used as, essentially, a "+1 button" where you throw in a quick 'thanks!' to indicate gratitude; other people would want it to be used for discussions or the like.
It's not that he's ungrateful, it's that he doesn't see a copy-pasted thanks as being a sincere expression of gratitude (or something clever or interesting or otherwise fun to read); and he feels that it's drowning out more meaningful comments.
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I'm from a time of the internet where one-liner would be consider spamming. But with the Facebookgeneration up, +1 is everywhere seen. Dunno, writing some generic 'Thanks' I would consider spamming and nothing more. So I dont use it, because I learned you just spam if you have nothing unique to write.
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I check SG forum almost all day but I only post if there's a subject that sparking my interest, instead of spamming "lololol" or "This" and "+1".
I could careless with those groups and their comment ratio requirements. If they don't need forum lurker like me then I'm fine with it.
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Agreed. All I am trying to say is that the comment ratio is a bit "crazy". They can run their group however they want, and if I don't meet the requirements I don't care. I just don't understand that one requirement and now I am putting my 2 cents on it here on the forums. I am being part of the community :P
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The "thanks" topic has been repeated a gazillion times, and just about everyone who posts in it has their own [usually entrenched] views. The thread limps on for several pages, with the same points being made, and the same arguments being presented until it finally dies a death, only for some lunk who cannot master the complexities of the "search" function to create a new one only a couple of weeks later, for the whole sorry cycle to repeat itself.
Does this lifeless corpse of a topic really merit another resurrection so that the same arguments can be repeated ad nauseum?
My [entrenched] view is that it's courteous and polite to thank the gifter for the chance to win, and it does matter to me in my giveaways, but if you don't want to thank people that's your call. Just don't start repeat threads attempting to make a virtue of it...
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But this is the same as the constant stream of identical DOTA 2 posts. Just because the perpetrators of these threads weren't there doesn't mean they can't use the search function.
This topic is probably third only to DOTA 2 and "Why is my contributor status stuck at 30" in the tiresome, repetitive and done-to-death stakes.
It's not my intention to have a go at you personally, since it's hardly as though you've been the one responsible for all of these. I'm just saying that nothing new will come out of this post which hasn't been covered in the twentysomething identical topics preceding it.
For the record, I do agree in part that comment ratios are not always a fair reflection of someone's contribution (or lack thereof) to the community, but many groups which require a ratio are prepared to be flexible on this if the applicant is an active and recognised poster on the forums.
If they are not flexible, it's clear that you and the group are in very fundamental disagreement over the importance of thanking, and since neither you nor they are going to change their entrenched views, it's better for everyone concerned if you don't apply.
I've left groups due to my not agreeing with their stance on things (ie retaining members who re-gifted or won multiple copies of a game). If things aren't working, you know where the button is, or not to apply in the first place :)
Again, no personal offence meant, but I don't see why you expected this topic to turn out any differently from all of the others, especially since no new ground has been covered either in the first post, or any of the ones proceeding it...
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In the unlikely event that you are a girl fox, you are certainly no lady :)
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Not every comment needs to be mindless. Here's a great example
3 days into the giveaway: 10 entries, 235 comments. Every comment adds something of value and is not just mindless spam. This is a group that stresses community above all else, and the members of that group take the time to write something personal about themselves, to ask each other questions as a way of getting to know each other better. The giveaways are secondary, we are first and foremost a group of friends who enjoy spending time with one another. If this seems silly to you, then that kind of group isn't for you.
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I touched upon the comment to entry ratio in my previous post stating that for most groups it's a soft requirement with some flexibility. You don't necessarily need a 2:1 ratio to join, they're mostly looking for people who will be active, and are willing to make exceptions to the requirements if you're actively participating in conversations on the forums. Be aware though that entering a group giveaway without commenting is often frowned upon and could get you a swift kick from those groups. In a small community where everybody knows each other, not even uttering a simple thank you when entering a giveaway is a big no-no.
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Personally, I always post a comment when entering a giveaway. I don't need to know you personally to be able to express gratitude for your generosity. Gifting is optional, and I understand that people could be spending money on other things for themselves but have chosen to spend money to afford someone else the opportunity at a free game. For this, I am grateful for even the chance. I often just write some variation of thank you, but I do always read the description and try to say something unique when possible. To me, it's only meaningless if the person who makes the comment puts no meaning behind it.
That's just me though, and it doesn't make my way right or your way wrong. Just wanted to add in my opinion on the matter :)
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There are 25 members in that group, and the description asked for every person to post questions they'd like for the group to answer and then answer the questions others have posted. A lot of interesting and funny stories have been told, some surprising discoveries, and perhaps getting to know each other a bit too well in some cases :p
I think only 15 of the members have even gotten around to posting so far, some people are waiting for more free time before diving in LOL
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I actually like when people thank me on giveaways, so I do the same, opinions though I guess....I also do personal thank you's when I win though. Those groups are looking for forum people so they pretty much know just by seeing them around who just says thanks on everything and who actually partakes in the community here.
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I sorta find that hilarious.
"We are the people who have things to say"
Group has no one talking
lol...
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+1.
...This is kind of one of those replies, though, isn't it? Hmm. Maybe I should just go to bed and stop lurking around the forums all night.
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i constantly look at my giveaways to see if anyone has posted anything that's NOT just a thank you, because then maybe i'd respond.
as to comment to entry ratio, i would argue that most people who have a high ratio got it through high numbers of quick posts that did little for conversation.
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I don't understand why some of these groups require a high comment to entry ratio. I mean its just mindless thank yous anyways. Who makes a giveaway on this site and then constantly looks at it to "enjoy" all the mindless thank yous people posted? I could care less if I got a single comment on any of the giveaways I create. All I would like is the personal "Thank You" from the person who wins.
I truly thanked the people I have won gifts from. Even chatted them up a bit as well. That's what matters, not mindless comments on your giveaway.
Their Group, Their rules. I understand and that is totally their right. I just don't agree at all with that one rule when implemented.
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I Understand community/forum activity but if someone has thousands of entries then the ratio thing becomes kind of ridiculous...
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