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Game changes hands between devs or publishers, publishers lose the rights to a game, copyright infringement, discontinued funding, Digital Homicide (yes, that's a reason) ... there are all kinds of reasons games get removed.

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Yep, Digital Homicide is a valid reason.

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I think it's all down to greed. Publishers change mentality and think they can make more money on their own platform or website so they stop supplying Steam with keys.

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You really have no idea. How many publishers do you actually know with an own store who "left" Steam? Electronic Arts. And even those initially didn't want to quit, till that DLC hassle.
Besides: Improving business /= greed.

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Golwar the typical fanboy who wants to be exploited.

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but he's right. the only example is EA. and most EA games are still up for sale on Steam. so it's not like they removed all their games. this is not really a valid reason for removed games.

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their games get all released on steam, so no. ^^

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There is also Blizzard.

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when were Blizzard on Steam? i don't think that was ever the case.

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+1

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Nevermind, I thought he was referring to the publishers who own their own store instead of steam like EA with Origin and Blizzard with Battle.net
So you're right :) I'm afraid I've read his comment quickly :p

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You clearly don't know how how these things works at all.

Usually when a game gets removed, it's for a very good reason. Rights issues is probably the most common one, a game contains licenced material (be it car names, music, or heck, the entire IP being used). Publishers/developers don't want to remove games from the store because less sales->less money. And EA was basically forced out from steam by Valve. So blame Valve for that one, not EA being greedy.

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Yeah clearly I don't [insert sarcasm], you don't know jack about marketing and you don't see pricing and distribution patterns of companies

you say it's because rights expired, Steam is NOT YouTube.

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uhm, this happens all the time. expired licenses are a very common reason. that is why quite a few games that are based on movies or comic franchises were removed in the past.

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I probably know a lot more about the inner workings of the game industry than you, as I know quite a few people working in it.

you say it's because rights expired, Steam is NOT YouTube.

As KillingArts explained, it's a very common reason. In fact, it happened yesterday, on Steam & GOG with GRID.

GOG didn't provide a specific reason for Grid's removal, but confirmed in an email that it's being pulled because of expiring licenses.

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Did you even check your own link? If you scroll down you actually see a link to a response by EA.

"At EA, we offer our games and content to all major download services including GameStop, Amazon, Direct2Drive and Steam," said David DeMartini, SVP of Global E-Commerce for EA in a statement given to IGN.

"Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to sell downloadable content. No other download service has adopted this practice. Consequently some of our games have been removed by Steam.

"We hope to work out an agreement to keep our games on Steam."

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now I know where your name comes from

just see the context and read between the lines

EA was greedy by wanting to sell DLC in its games on the Steam platform, while not giving any % of the profits to Steam.
If I was Gaben I would have done the same.

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EA followed Valve's ToS up until the point that Valve changed it, forcing EA to take down their games, or change how the games worked. From the perspective of EA, the old system made sense not only because they did not give Valve a cut, but also because a unified system is a lot easier to handle. It meant that exactly the same system can be used for boxed releases, games sold through other digital distribution sites and games sold on Steam. Forcing EA to change all their previous games that had DLC by changing the ToS was a dirty move by Valve. It makes sense that they would want to curb down on future uses of this, but by making it retroactive they effectively put EA in a bind. And EA being unhappy with Valve just changing their ToS like this and forcing them to make changes to their older games, well, that's quite understandable, making changes like that post launch (and creating a system that would allow them to send out DLC codes that worked on steam for all these games), that would have been expensive.

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Thanks for debating that in detail with him, in my place. But you never had a chance to reason with him. He is one of those InfoWars fanatics. Facts don't matter to them.

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EA was greedy by wanting to sell DLC in its games on the Steam platform

wrong. they wanted to sell DLC on their own website. not on Steam. only for Steam. that is a big difference. Steam does not provide any form of service for DLC regarding sales that are sold outside of it. so why should they get any profit off of it?

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hmm normaly removed games stay in the library, didn't know that they vanish. but i don't like that they remove Games like Mafia for example

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Even if games are put out from the store they should remain in your library, except free2play games (which usually do not add +1 in your game count anyway).

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normally has to do with rights of distribution switching hands.. or could be licensed content,, or the game is a total scam, or online games lost their servers..

outside of those issues, games aren't going to get removed unless the publisher/developer just doesn't want it on steam anymore

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Getting removed from the store and getting removed from the library are two completely different things afaik. At least in most cases where games are removed from the store they remain intact in your library/inventory and they remain fully functional. Take GRID for example, it was removed from the store a few days ago but it's still in people's libraries and it downloads just fine

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Yeah, thus far there has only been one game that has got wiped from people's libraries.

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What game was that? I'm just curious.

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I was thinking it could be Journey of the Light, but I'm probably mistaken.

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Why would anyone remove that game,it was really good :O

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Did you complete it?;)

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No :( I had small go at it at my friend's and kinda liked it :)

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From the look of the screenshots that I saw, it did look like a nice game. It is a shame that the developer didn't follow through on their promise and make a real game.

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Licences; music, cars, even celebrity names etc.

Offensive content; some feminazis actually sue gaming companies, achieving nothing but generating hate etc.

Company shutting down for good; especially indie companies opening up and shutting down everyday like rabbits mating

In case of online games; server upkeep costs exceed the revenues (yes, not profits THE REVENUES) so they shut it down and remove it

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I think people already explained some of the possible reasons to you, so I won't write them all out. (9 out of 10 times: licensing-issues or closing down or legal issues)

What I'm curious about is when you say: "At this point, for some of them it would be better to download a torrent and play illegally."
Why would you figure that? That's a logic I don't follow. Since generally when torrenting you'd run into some of the 'problems' you mentioned such as "lose all the interactions, sometimes even the activation of achivements and the possibility to sell items."
Want to explain?

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Thanks for explaining, Guess that was the mindset that I was afraid of. Hmm, well the difference would be that one is legal and the people who created the game would actually get paid for it. The other isn't legal and the people who made the game get nothing.

In the case of indie developers that would be quite a shame as they often need all the income they can get. (In this case I'm not talking about the large companies cause generally their profit margins are quite high, but the smaller indie companies that often have their games taken out of the store can use the cash.)

But to each their own opinion :)

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If you remove a game from the store, you take down almost all his interactions: you wont be able to complete achivements in most cases, reviews, infos and discussions are gone,

The only things that gets removed when a game gets removed tends to be reviews. I can't think of a single case where achievements got broken because a game was removed from the store page, and the community hub is even there for games that got removed from steam before they introduced the community hub. Discussions don't get removed.

updates, patches, fixes and events will not be available,

Not true. All previous updates that were added to Steam are still available and will be downloaded. It's rare to see new updates & patches getting released (rare, but not completely unheard of), but everything that was already there will remain.

DLCs will not be available anymore if you didnt buy them before.

This is an issue, yes.

I think you've completely misunderstood what actually happens when a game gets removed from the steam store.

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  • Licensing deals gone bad most of the time. That's why Deadpool went poof, until Activision renewed the license to cash in on the movie, and this is where most victims other lie.

  • Publisher disappearing without anyone else picking up the rights can be a cause too.

  • Pissing off the powers that be works too (happened with Paranautical Activity, which came back later by different publisher, and with everything Digital Homicide, here's hoping those don't come back)

  • Game being a proven case of false advertisement and/or too broken can make it happen too (Journey of the Light)

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  • games where the rights holder gets pissed off at Valve (EA)
  • games where the rights holder decides to bring out a premium version (Duke Nukem)
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I don't recall EA pulling games off Steam though ? (No longer putting on new one because of Origin is a different matter.
And yeah, Duke Nukem can be summed up as "Legal shitstorm about who actually owns the property." I feel especially sorry for Manhattan Project, that game has spent more time in Publishing Hell than being on sale. Shame, as it's actually pretty good.

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actually, with Duke Nukem I'm referring to the 20th anniversary world tour. The rights to the game were sorted out and the game was selling perfectly fine, but gearbox bought the rights, pulled the game, and released a "premium" version at a higher cost

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they did remove dragon age II

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I think it was Valve that thrown it out, as their "you see, we're not affraid to kick even biggest out if they don't give us our 30% from DLC". EA just used that as "fine, we have Origin anyway".

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i dont think so, valve would have removed all their games

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Except no, it really was Valve at fault, EA was the victim of Valve's greed.

Back when EA was publishing their games on Steam as well as Origin and other services, rather than using Valve to sell DLCs, you instead bought the DLCs on your EA account so you could use them over all services (useful since Origin could detect legally owned games to add to your library without buying a second time, but DLCs were an issue to detect, as SG users should know). Now, this worked well for their games, people didn't have to buy them over again, but this also meant Valve didn't get 30% of the profits, which they didn't like.

So, Valve implemented a new rule for publishers stating that all content had to be purchasable in Steam then used that as an excuse to remove some EA games (the base Crysis 2 game was removed along with Dragon Age 2, and possibly more that I'm not aware of) and tried to hold them over a barrel. Either give Valve a third of the profits (and that was before paying out any other costs from those profits like royalties) or lose all their PC customers (in Valve's mind, at any rate). EA went with Origin for publishing all their PC titles from that point which remains profitable for them considering they are still in business years later, Valve lost a large publisher out of greed, and that rule was never enforced again, as multiple publishers have completely ignored it from that point (I've seen UPlay exclusive DLCs along with various MMOs that require you to purchase in game currency to buy content that in no way involves Valve). A shame this all happened since at least EA did proper Steam versions without extra DRM layers, unlike other companies.

I can understand that not everyone likes EA and that some believe they are a company built purely on greed. Guess what, all companies are about making money. Valve is no less greedy or dickish. They are just more popular as a store.

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I still regret not getting Blur while it was on Steam.Now that its gone i just sit and weep.

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Mostly license expiring

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they are shamed of their games and don't want customers to pay for them

they just want to take care of us! <3

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If licenses are involed too, specially whit things you cant remove from a game like music, GTA San andreas was removed from the store but came back with some less songs, but when the license is to vehicles and these are important to the game then you can only removie it like Dirt 3.

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Some of them have very bad overwhelming negative review

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I had one I played alot (FUEL) that is no longer on the store. My guess is it has something to do w/ Games for Windows Live. I can still play it on my old GFWL account, but I'm unsure if new users would have issues? Anyhow, it's gone from store even though it runs in win10 as long as GFWL is downloaded.

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I once spoke to the creator of a game called Chaos Ride. I was interested in possibly buying the rights to the game to expand on it and reup it to Steam.
If you check the Steam forum for that and his puzzle game (who's name I forget) he states he personally pulled it because he was disappointed in himself. The games were received horribly and, though they had potential, were not all that well built. He just got discouraged by critics, even after running a full overhaul on Chaos Ride to fix a lot of the issues, his game company just wasn't as successful as he would have liked.
He said he didn't want to be one of those devs who leaves bad games in the stores just to make money off of them so he pulled them and got a different job.
I'd felt if he'd polished the level select screen, added a couple customization options to the bike, and added a regular race mode as opposed to his intended "Beat your Ghost" game it could have been successful, but I really think he just wanted the game to succeed in the form he intended it to be in.
Sad really.
(I did talk to him via email, but none of what I've said here is anything he hasn't said publicly in the forums as well)

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On a related note, Judge Dredd: Countdown Sector 106 is being removed after the sale ends in a few hours, if you want to pick it up.

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Thanks for the tip, got myself a copy :)

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I tried to buy it at the last minute like a fool, and it was removed from my cart (and the store) as the sale finished up.

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The Last Survivor
remember those fake reviews the dev created

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Expiring licenses, projects getting cancelled, an online game closing down, etc.

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Original GRID racing game is also removed from the Steam store (including GOG). That's why Humble gave us free keys.

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The reason is stupid things like copyrights and other stupid rules, licences etc. Greedy companies invented this bs. At least games don't suffer much from this. But movies and tv shows are being pirated like crazy just because companies not allowing people to watch it legally.

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