The talk latest weeks have been how Putin doesn't want an open war with west, but they do consider us weak And basically all the threats and escalations are to see how far west can be pushed as Putins dictatorship considers only them to be strong leadership.
Sadly it looks like west is ready to kowtow to any threats from Russia on how they are ready to attack Lithuania over Kaliningrad. So what's the point of putting sanctions on them if again west is ready to say - whatever.. do what you want.
From one point of view - I understand EU and NATO wants to diffuse the situation - but how far is Putin going to continue push if any time that psycho threatens with attacking EU, another sanctions are lifted and exempts provided.
Of course another day another barking from the wounded dog. Finland and Sweden is being threatened .. again. US is threatened again. Russia plays aggressive political games while EU seems to only virtue signal. Russia is still earning more from exports, EU countries are struggling with prices for fuel, gas and food while Russia simply earns more for less and continues to pound Ukraine. China and India does whatever they want, Russia is only technically isolated. What I wonder is - if what I commented earlier comes true (Putin despite results just says they won the war and keeps occupied territories), would EU just say - yeah whatever, keep the land, stop attacking others and life back to normal? Russia continues to fund its military, Ukraine has to rebuild and all of the countries bordering Russia goes back to constant fear of the degenerate next door attacking you any minute?
Despite strong opinions coming from NATO and EU I have a feeling those are empty words. But I do hope Im wrong.
side note : Visited my girlfriend in the beginning of week and we both have Latvian flags inside our cars. She lives nearby the occupation memorial, where all the shit went down after 9th of may celebration. And we had a stone put on each of our cars. Only our two cars. And only both of us had the flags in the window. We figured its due to that (there are cases of windows being smashed by drunk degenerate russians)... I'm just getting sick of all of this. And it looks like even invading a fucking country is not enough to deal with the rabid growth we all have problem with
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Russia got kicked off Snake island, they frame it as "goodwill gesture", but the retreat came after massive strikes in the last couple days.
The gesture of goodwill is to enable grain shipments, but tbh. the easiest way would have been to allow those in the first place instead of actively blocking them.
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Zaluzhny: Snake Island liberated from Russian invaders
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/842763.html
Russian invaders retreat from Snake Island
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/842704.html
just a free source, because Reuters is behind a paywall
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Is it really paywall for you?
Because I could make an account for free. I dont know whats the point of that, but its just locked behind needing an account :D but didnt need to pay anything
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oh sorry, my fault, but most of the time i don't even want to make free accounts
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yeah it's kind of a "soft paywall" a couple articles a week/month and for more you need an account. forgot about it, as I'm always logged in with them
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A Russian retreat is called a "goodwill gesture" by the Kremlin.
For grain shipments, there remain the problems of sea mines and Russian warships.
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Russian occupiers preparing provocation accusing Ukrainian nuclear scientists of storing weapons at ZNPP - Energoatom
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/842528.html
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how many Ukrainian schools now in russia? and how much it was in 2010-2022?
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Friday hasn't even started and orcs have already committed another war crime. Another apartment building hit in Odessa killing 17 18
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Terrorist state in action. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62006743
At least 18 people, including one child, have died in overnight Russian missile strikes on Ukraine's southern Odesa region, Ukrainian officials say.
The state emergency service, DSNS, says 16 people were killed and 30 injured when one missile hit a nine-storey building in the Serhiyivka village.
Two more people, including the child, were killed in a separate strike on the village's recreation centre.
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Lavrov has stated that there is new iron curtain building between west and russia.
He says there hasn't been any relations between EU and Russia since 2014 (well yeah you cunt, don't invade countries if you want relations with neighbors) and that they will not trust EU or NATO in the future.
They are stating that EU is not interested in "understanding Russia" (kind of hard to understand bombing innocent people) and that USA imposing sanctions is not only trying to weaken Russia but EU as well..
So seems like that double faced moron is trying to pit EU against USA now ... How I hate his ugly face and his pathetic lies.
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who knows, maybe he's aiming for next dictator with all that moron bullshit he makes up
i mean, several presidents phoned with Putin this year, that are no relations since 2014?
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Yeah, Im wondering what "relations" is Lavrov referring to as well.
Either way - I'm fascinated by the use of "EU does not want to understand Russia"..... As in having dictatorship and waging wars is normal.
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not to mention we already had that in WW2 in Germany, how did they conclude it's okay, when russia does it?
or do nukes justify everything?
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I wish they made a literal iron curtain around Russia.
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Russia inflates its military victories; claims to have destroyed more equipment than Ukraine actually has at its disposal, announces taking control of the same areas several times and even places that don't exist.
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It's getting harder and harder for Russia to escape reality, Russia Admits It's Running Out of Weapons in Ukraine War.
For the first time, Russia has admitted that it is running out of weapons in the Ukraine war, after President Vladimir Putin's government created a draft federal law that would allow the country to quickly repair weapons and military equipment.
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Как русскоговорящий украинец, подписываюсь под каждым словом В.В.П.
Zelensky must be stopped.
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Совсем скоро вся великая окраина, то есть украина, войдет в состав России! <3 И вообще, зачем такие грубости!
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Слушай, уже 366 день вашей "СВО", почему Украина ещё не в составе вашей рабсии, а?
Для кого все это дерьмо, которое вы льёте с сотни акков здесь?
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"Скоро" - не значит что прямо сегодня, завтра, или через месяц. Скоро это может быть и год, и два! Рано или поздно, но окраина (за раз, или за несколько раз, по частям) войдет в состав Российской Федерации! :-)
P.S. "Отхожие продукты жизнедеятельности" льете здесь только вы, фанаты бандеры и зели!
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Идиот, ты ещё веришь в победу ваших отбросов, которые у вас называют "армией"?! Какой же ты смешной и убогий с полностью атрофированным мозгом
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Знаешь, не стоит переходить на личности, и оскорблять кого-то, только за то, что этот "кто-то" другой национальности, из другой страны, не разделяет твоего мнения, и придерживается иной точки зрения на происходящие события!
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У каждого понятия личности свои.
Личность никогда не будет поддерживать мародеров, грабителей и убийц, которые пришли промышлять в чужую страну.
Таких поддерживают только пособники, а это уголовно наказуемо.
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Хм, а как на счет террора устроенного окраинским фашистким режимом в ДНР и ЛНР? Ну это другое!
Касательно "пришли промышлять в чужую страну" - асашай и нато всегда так делают, вторгаются и грабят!
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Ты не хочешь рассказать про это семейному врачу, которая сбежала с родного Снежного ещё в 2014.
Какова будет реакция её, когда она будет слушать бред про "домбили бомбасс 9 лет, а"?
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Знаешь, не стоит переходить на личности, и оскорблять кого-то, только за то, что этот "кто-то" другой национальности
-Угрожает анексией другой страны
рабсиянины и логика никогда не шли вместе
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Когда они оскорбляют, а в этой ветке оскорбления есть, это нормально.
Когда же оскорбляют в ответ их, то это сразу "русофобия"
В целом точно подмечено
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So go stand at the front and give it a try?
Btw what do you want him to stop? Protecting innocent citizens? Twitter msg'es? Or do you just want him dead like a typical Russian who wants whole Ukraine dead.
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Доклад "Социально-экономическое положение России"
https://rosstat.gov.ru/compendium/document/50801
👀...Currently it seems to be difficult to connect.
Cars: -96.7% (3,700 cars) Trucks: -39.3% ICE motors: -57% Pass. train wagons: -59.8%
Freight wagons: -51.8% Fiberglass cables: -80.8% Fridges: -58.1% Washing machines: -59.2%
AC electric motors: -49.9% Elevators: -34.7% Excavators: -60%
Well, it seems that translations into various languages are also posted on Twitter.
This is an official Economy report from the Russian government.
It may be somewhat "favorable to the Russian government" but still....
Conservatively, half of the economy seems to have been wiped out.
Judging from the downward trend, companies without retained earnings will be soon destroyed ...
This discussion was made before the war started.
Shortly after the war began, the Russian government misused the central bank to manipulate market prices and nationalize private companies. There are still exchanges from that time, so if you've been reading from the beginning, you've noticed.
Still, it seems that Russia's economy can't take it anymore.
Therefore, it seems that they are going out of their way to rewrite the names of the natural resources that they are jointly developing with foreign countries to Russian companies.
Russia Sakhalin-2 LNG Project Move Intensifies Competition for Fuel - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-01/russia-s-move-on-lng-plant-intensifies-competition-for-fuel
It will not be possible to sell anything to Russia in the future.
We are in a situation where only goods are taken and no payment is received.
The equipment and investments we lent them will not come back.
Cannot expect to ever again trust a country that does this to conduct economic activities.
Russian citizens may have no choice but to stop being Russian citizens in order to survive.
Trust, once lost, will come back with time. But this is the second time, so it will be too late.
It seems that 300,000 more troops have been added to NATO in one week and the next move is awaited.
Perhaps the coverage of US-related developments in Ukraine will be temporarily slow again.
The next time there is a major news report, something may be happening in Russia.
It is natural to think so.
May peace return to earth.🍀🌏🕊
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Where exactly? Timestamps? Provide actual links to such medias, and not to the video of that garbage of 'journalist'.
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Did you checked that video? Is it true what Shariy stated (shelling Donetsk is not the same as shelling Kremenchug's factory) or European and US media are aware of shelling civilian buildings in Donetsk/Lugansk/etc and trying hard to tell governments to stop exporting ammunition to Ukraine (or stop war in general)?
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Shariy doesn't deserve to be viewed, he is a sellout slut, and is (indirectly) responsible for hundreds, maybe thousands of deaths since 2014, due to him spreading russian misinformation.
As for the shellings - check the openly available data on casualties in DNR/LNR over the years, 2014-2021. You will see how much "destruction" there was.
Even more so, there was ZERO deaths in donbass region before fucking russians invaded in 2014.
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This is news, but what about the "Небесная сотня" or they were no longer there, and this is in Kiev. And there was no investigation of this fact (what happened was let down on the brakes and there are a lot of questions to those who received political dividends from this).
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you have to adjust russki translatorski to not translate russki to mumbo jumbo, because no one will understand this
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Ну тепер зрозуміло звідки ви. Залишилося місто уточнити і буде ще більш зрозуміло, що це стрілянина або з іншої причини.
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how is the city where i'm from relevant to the discussion?
And i didn't understand the sentence with shooting, maybe someone could help translating?
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There were many refugees from Kiev (February 24-25), but no less from Lviv, Lutsk, Ternopil and other cities of Western Ukraine. There was no fighting there and no shooting, but there were a lot of refugees from there. Moreover, some of them handed over their apartments and left as refugees. I'm not saying that everything, but there have been such cases.
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beware about hate speech against refugess, one of your fellow trolls (Red Disco iirc) was already suspended for it
not to mention, you didn't answered my question and started with a completely different topic, maybe you should reread that warning from MSKOTOR
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I have nothing against refugees. It's on their conscience, I don't care what they do.
About the second statement. You asked for more details about shooting at cities. It was clarified that some of them left the cities of Western Ukraine, where military operations were not conducted (at most, a rocket was fired at a warehouse or a military target (you can remember about traction substations on the railway, they were not touched for a long time), and even then a week after the start of the operation, after more nearby targets were destroyed). Moreover, they took advantage of the situation and went under the guise of refugees (there was an opportunity and a desire to go, then please). But at the same time, some of them were very cunning and rented their apartments to visitors from Eastern Ukraine, they found out in Europe and very much (who rented their apartments) did not like the receiving side. These people who have rented out their apartments are just difficult to classify as refugees.
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you just assumed they didn't fled, because there is war in their country, but because of other reasons, that's the same narrative the other guy spread and was banned for, god, i repeat, we're not that stupid, your propaganda and deflection doesn't work on us
i didn't asked about shooting at cities, i asked for a proper translation, because i didn't understand that shooting part, not to mention you still haven't answered my first question
mate, if you struggle that hard with english, just go to RAT and speak russian there
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I didn't assume it was. Poland. True, there were few of them, which pleases. They just took advantage of the situation. Business, nothing personal.
As for the refugees, my attitude towards the people is like this. If you want to run, then run, if you don't want to, then don't run. Then get ready to meet those who will come, but how to meet, then let everyone, I emphasize EVERYONE decides for HIMSELF, I won't impose my opinion, and I don't want to, everyone has to decide for himself.
I realized that your question is not about the shooting, but about my message. This is just an indicator that it is not necessary to ask a general question, and others, if clarification is needed, then ask the author.
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The city you come from has nothing to do with the topic. I said this earlier, I'm just tormented by the desire to find out, that's all. Then it is possible to use parts of the turns that Europeans will not really understand, but at the same time citizens of other states will understand.
This was the first question after clarifying that it was not necessary to translate "Heavenly Hundred" (Небесная сотня).
I hope now you have received complete answers to your two questions?
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Actually, the answer is given, it's about the concept of proverbs and sayings, as well as aphorisms.
And so there are and were still Volga Germans, they just understand not only the German language, but also understand humor and the situation in Russian. And so some of the statements will be very clear to some of the inhabitants of the world, but not clear to another part of the inhabitants of the world. No, if the opponent arrived in childhood, then this is no longer suitable, education and that knowledge base will be completely different than that. who arrived at an older age.
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Not sure about how Shariy could cause thousands of deaths since 2014. I didn't watch his videos all that time. But watched his live streams starting the conflict (~24th February) and all his intentions was to help people (i.e. find medicine/pills, warned about strikes, etc) For example information about air strikes was available to public, but for some reason local government was not aware of that and that caused deaths. During that time Ukrainian government tried to block his streams for what ever reason.
As Q09066930 said - Shariy release "strange" videos: some of them can enrage one side and some - enrage other side of the conflict (I think that is some sort of definition of blogger today - play on emotions).
My question was about information which Shariy provided - Does European and US media provide full information about conflict? Do they trying to stop it (i.e. provide some info, so people understand what is happening)? (the point of Shariy - no they don't do that, only "Russia/DNR/LNR are evil" news can pop up to support decision to give new/more ammunition to Ukraine)
As for the shellings - check the openly available data on casualties in DNR/LNR over the years, 2014-2021. You will see how much "destruction" there was.
I don't know the correct numbers, but I heard that around 15K people died during that period. At the moment both sides are hiding this information. As far as I know only DNR/LNR provide such information to public - last time I saw it was around 3K people dead.
Even more so, there was ZERO deaths in donbass region before fucking russians invaded in 2014.
Sorry need to ask you who are these "russians" - people of Donbass or people from Russia? Because as far I know OSCE was not able to find any facts of "Russian army" located in Donbass in 2014-2021. As far as I know it was decision of Donbass people (just a reminder - they are Ukrainians, who speak in Russian or/and Ukrainian) to not support new government. All Minsk agreements were about some special status of these territories in Ukraine - they just asked special status, they didn't want to separate from the country. Or I understand all that wrong?
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and how did that Buk, who shot down flight MH17, came to Donbass? Aliens again?
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Looks like in this thread almost no one read questions. And just post random stuff...
You mean why Ukrainian ground service (air control towers) guided that plane to the "closed sky" area? Did Ukraine found that guy who ordered plane to change fly path? (and I assume everyone know those "magic" reasons why any logs from those Control Towers were not revealed by any Ukrainian authorities).
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yeah, maybe post less Wall of Text and use formatting to point out relevant parts.
Because as far I know OSCE was not able to find any facts of "Russian army" located in Donbass in 2014-2021.
my message was directly adressed to this sentence, no random stuff here, sorry mate. And deflecting didn't answered my question either, no on asked about ground service and other stuff, but i understand that you're following the troll farm protocol
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but i understand that you're following the troll farm protocol
Awesome argumentation... So what was the point of your comment about "aliens"?
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no answering, just deflecting, you don't like hearing the truth, don't you?
maybe that's the reason you like state-funded media so much.
i see you're taking the offroad trip with cementales in his clowncar to reach the safe haven of RAT, i hope you both finally suceed
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Which truth you are referring to? I'm asking here to get an answer, i.e. from you (person who live outside of "Putin's propaganda"). I'm not insulting you in any way, I'm just asking simple questions i.e. German media show shelling of civilian infrastructure in Donbass towns, Belgorod, Kursk and other territories the same way as they show Russian strikes?
All I can see here - links to wiki which already made guilty Russia. Where the results of international court? Was it postponed to far future or your wiki already have the results? The questions are really simple - I'm not stating anything, I'm just trying to get information from "other side".
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you have the same boring arguments, like your fellow troll farm comrades, it's like speaking to the same person over and over again and who really knows, maybe you're all the same person, but maybe you all just use the same protocol synchronized with the narrative of the state-funded media.
I don't think you are really interested in any truth or answer not suiting your propoganda, most likely you just want it to distort it and align it with your state-funded propaganda and this thread isn't a thread about russian matters, as i already explained, but you really seem a bit stupid to not find the way to your RAT (russian awareness thread) and spew your propaganda goo here, where people don't care and are just offended from your BS
I asked a question too, which you didn't prefered to answer, which speaks volumes, you had cementales telling contradicting informations about 4000 dead russians between 2014-2021, maybe you should talk to him first, but of course you're not interested in any truth at all, as i already said
and you instantly blacklisted me, speaks volumes too, i'm really sad now that i miss out all the great giveaways you're doing on a daily basis, but at least i could return the favour
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So you are care about blacklisting... That is sad...
I really don't understand how such things are allowed here (on SG) - not the this thread in general, but users who insulting other users without any reason.
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it's your assumption that i would care, but my sarcastic answer already showed that i actually don't, it just shows what kind of person you are
here we go again, the injustice, russophobia, you guys offend people and start crying, if you get a harsh backlash, it's action and reaction, but Bazilies didn't understood this either, so i'm not surprised
you have to understand semantics, i see no insult there, but i also see your struggle to figure out truth, maybe because everything is so complicated for you, you take the blue pill and stick to state-funded propaganda
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Sure it was my "assumption".
You think that just jumping from one statement to another is the best way to bring the truth? Why didn't you write - I'm in Germany "don't see"/"see" that (see that media prefer "one sided point view" or "information was provided from all sides of conflict")
If it's easy for you and I'm overcomplecating things - just write where I'm wrong, but I assume you'll write some comment about "semantics".
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from my experience you guys don't even want to hear the truth, blame your fellow comrades for it
i provided even arabic news and suddenly they're lying too, so my impression was, the one side of the truth are the world news and the other side are news from russia, why should i even consider to trust this little fragement, who tells a state-funded narrative, when i can get independent and more reliable worldwide news?
not to mention the amnesty links i already provided, investigation of a NGO, no side here
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And there is no desire to read the message very carefully. I specifically added about a special operation. When one side reported 40,000 losses, which simply did not exist, and gave a clarification that it was impossible to fully count the number. And so some of the deceased could live in peace if an ambulance could arrive on time, a heart attack, but you can't take it, shelling from howitzers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and then he died. The cause of the heart attack, but in reality the shelling.
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"А чи був хлопчик".
Did it really happen?
Only here you don't need to throw a link to the transportation video, you can see static trees and trailer paws there. Still, you can do better, if anything, then ETS 2 will help. And it is very difficult to work without a detection and target designation station (this is a separate machine with a radar), due to the fact that there is a target tracking radar on the installation itself, which is just given by the guidance station. The beam width of this radar is very small. Here you can do without a charger.
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time to get educated, again
According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation[8][9] and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards.[1][2][8]
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How well you can convince others if you additionally add a couple of experts (and not on the topic, but close to the discussion), if they don't know at all and don't really want to know. Here we show one and all attention to this, but we do not provide more refined data or do not finish them a little. Read about this Buk anti-aircraft system, there is not only one launcher, it is a complex.
And everyone can edit Wikipedia, and also in accordance with the current political situation.
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spreading doubt about Wikipeadia, you guys are hilarious, but gobbling down every inch of state-funded media
you clearly have no clue about how Wikipedia really works, everyone can edit it, yes, but it has to be approved
And if everyone can edit it, why don't you guys go there and fill it with your propaganda, maybe not that easy, eh?
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In Russia, they made it much easier. Wikipedia has ceased to be used as confirmed facts, only as an information resource where there is some information, but it needs to be checked and this result is already put into operation.
About editing. You can go, but those who are ready to defend their point of view and with the support team will immediately rush in, and unless you already attach accurate information about the real state of affairs, the changes will be rolled back, due to unreliability.
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so you say they made it easier in russia and Wikipedia is flooded with russian propaganda there, which makes it unreliable, but at the same time you trust the unreliable propaganda from state-funded media, that sounds like some serious loss of reality
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No, Wikipedia is viewed as a source of information, but if you take it into account in a dispute, then it will not be accepted if there is no other evidence of correctness.
Well, I don't trust European propaganda, due to the fact that it is even more unreliable, smart does not trust anything, but checks everything. The times when they believed are over, now it's just checking and rechecking. Now the most effective propaganda is one that does not lie, from the word at all, but not necessarily it can tell the whole truth, sometimes part will not tell. But just if you believe only one source, then you will never get the whole truth.
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/me takes a look at the press freedom index and quickly figures out, who's doing propaganda and who not, you call yourself smart, well i don't see that with all your wrong conclusions. More unreliable, haha, that's a good joke, like you're a real clown.
you seem to have a serious condition calling everything propaganda from independent sources, and call actual propaganda from state-funded media "information" i think this is called lost connection to reality, when do Aliens come into play?
if you don't trust european "propaganda" i can give you links to arabic news, but then you'll claim again they're lying too
get lost, stick to your propaganda, go to RAT and leave us alone here, no one wants to hear all your bullshit
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Well, JPMorgan defaulted in Russia, although before that it left Russia. Moreover, only Bloomberg wrote about Russia's default, the rest were silent "Money loves silence."
So the Press Freedom Index can be drawn by anyone, it still does not really reflect the current reality.
Well, I'm not surprised, propaganda has had a very good effect on you, that you are ready to read only what you like, although I have been saying for a long time that everything should be read.
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ah i forgot, that everything, which isn't from russia is propaganda and a lie, you're such a clown
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Well, find information besides Bloomberg, and it needs a large and often-quoted media (you can take your favorite SUN) about the default announced in 2022 (previously there were) in Russia, and by Russia itself.
I'll give you a few links myself.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/27/russia-defaults-on-foreign-debt-for-first-time-since-1917-revolution-reports
https://www.rt.com/business/557881-russia-debt-artificial-default/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/21/russia-default-debt-risks/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/16/business/russia-debt-default.html
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If you want to trust Russian propaganda, that's your problem.
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War
War in Donbas (before 2022 invasion)
| Breakdown | Fatalities | Time period |
|---|---|---|
| Russian Armed Forces | 400–500 killed | 6 April 2014 – 10 March 2015 |
(Source: US State Department)
The deaths of the Russian soldiers have not been confirmed by their government and have possibly been included in the toll of dead rebel fighters.
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"It's pretty difficult to have a completely accurate assessment, given Russia's efforts to mask its dead," said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. "I can't speak to more than 400 or 500 at the moment.”
Nice source of "valid" information... What is wrong with you, guys??
That is your issue - you don't want to answer the initial question, because it'll doesn't fit in your mind. Did you watch that video? (subtitles can be translated to most of the languages). Did Shariy tell truth or not?
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Did you watch that video? (subtitles can be translated to most of the languages). Did Shariy tell truth or not?
I personally don't care about some youtuber speaking in russian, because obviously i'm not his target group, otherwise he would at least put subtitles in the video himself
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Refusal to recognize part of the information leads to the fact that it will not be possible to get the picture completely, but only the picture that was imposed from the information that was received will be there.
If you need to understand the whole picture, then you need to know all the information.
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well, i don't call propaganda information in the first place, especially when it comes from some dubious youtuber, but i already elaborated about how you guys dig up all the crap from trash sources, to try to confirm your claims
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Well, there are already messages from you from Interfax Ukraine, which are not confirmed by Interfax itself. Or remind me? So I wasn't the first to start.
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how is this even possible? Mother company doesn't know what the daughter does, guess it's the Aliens fault again
and you just made an empty claim, not providing what news you meant, just throwing empty words around, we aren't that stupid here to believe every BS you make up, just go to RAT, maybe you find some zombies and orcz there
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34 reptiloids were killed on Mars, this is from reliable sources, you have to believe it. The State Department won't lie.
These are the sources that everyone uses when they show enemy losses, in fact, those who are silent know them. And then you can recall their statements about 20,000 dead, who were never found, due to the fact that they simply did not exist.
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i barely understand what you're trying to say, but maybe look here
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/jwiIL/ukraine-awareness-thread/search?page=35#1lggAAn
it's quite a funny read
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We must believe the Latvian media (they are sitting in Riga), they can't lie, even if they are not there, but they take the most truthful information from the State Department, which they are given, and they also make sure that there is no change in it on the air.
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They are based in Riga, but aren't latvian media, they are independent russian media to be precise and i think you don't understand how independent media works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meduza
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There are no independent media, if the media in the country do not support that situation (as an option, they are neutral), then they will be closed. Russian-language media in Latvia are closed if they write positively about Russia. So it is not necessary to refer them to the independent media of Russia, it is a foreign agent, and recognized.
And in advance. Earlier, the USA began to demand to write about foreign agents when accounting for media. This is so that there is not the fact that they say only Russia requires this, this is a global practice, and everything was quite liberal in Russia, then when closing in Europe they began to introduce exactly the same requirements.
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they just went to Latvia to practice free speech, because it isn't allowed under dictatorship.
I don't know how it works in Latvia, but in Germany we have free speech and everyone can publish even pro-russian news, as you already showed, digging out some crap, but of course we don't allow pro-russian propaganda from russian state funded media, but i get it, you're trying to distort things with mixmatching, but we talked about natives doing news, where the place of residence doesn't matter in the first place
how can russian natives be foreign agents? Aliens?
and everything was quite liberal in Russia
yeah, like LGBTQIA+ going strong in russia, right?
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they just went to Latvia to practice free speech, because it isn't allowed under dictatorship.
They will work in Latvia as long as they support the policy of Latvia. RT worked in Latvia, but at first they did not allow people to receive a salary on the card (the bank did not miss the payment), and then they were completely closed.
That's the whole freedom of speech in Latvia. There are no independent media there.
I don't know how it works in Latvia, but in Germany we have free speech and everyone can publish even pro-russian news, as you already showed, digging out some crap, but of course we don't allow pro-russian propaganda from russian state funded media, but i get it, you're trying to distort things with mixmatching, but we talked about natives doing news, where the place of residence doesn't matter in the first place
But at the same time, you yourself reported that your media is not free, but with censorship, because the restriction on the place of release of information, unless it belongs to the category of illegal or as an option for the distribution of narcotic drugs, is not allowed to air. And this is just the first violation of Democracy and Freedom of Speech.
yeah, like LGBTQIA+ going strong in russia, right?
And what freedoms I restrict, they are not restricted in anything, just like other citizens. Equality. Or do you offer to give them more than others? Then why them and not others? If a neighbor tells me that he is gay, then I will not care about it (this is his position and who am I to condemn it) until he climbs up to me, here I will be dissatisfied, but due to the fact that I am NOT gay (and here it is me it concerns and it is necessary to take into account not only his opinion, but also the opponent (me in this case)), and if he asks for a different job, then it usually goes by professional skills, and not by faith, gender and the like.
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They will work in Latvia as long as they support the policy of Latvia. RT worked in Latvia, but at first they did not allow people to receive a salary on the card (the bank did not miss the payment), and then they were completely closed.
That's the whole freedom of speech in Latvia. There are no independent media there.
like i already knew you start mixmatching things and wrote my post accordingly, maybe reread it, as you seem to struggle with english and missed the part of
but of course we don't allow pro-russian propaganda from russian state funded media
and that's a real foreign agent and is understandably banned, we aren't that stupid and fall for cheap tricks, you have to be more subtile to bring propaganda to our doorstep
But at the same time, you yourself reported that your media is not free, but with censorship
what the heck are you claiming there, are you that drunk to completely misunderstood me?
it's not censorship, if we don't allow pro-russian propaganda from russian state funded media
And what freedoms I restrict, they are not restricted in anything, just like other citizens
hilarious, fairytale time with cementales
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Then give me an answer about what CENSORSHIP is. And look at your answer.
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as i already said, propaganda is not information, but instead misinformation, we have every reason to ban this BS
but do you want to talk about press freedom index maybe?
russia going strong there
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Well, then, in accordance with your statement, I translate all the European press, even those broadcasting to Russia, into "Propaganda". So all the posts will be propaganda for Russia, which you don't need to read, you want it, well, you got it. But that doesn't mean I'll stop writing.
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that's the stubborn vibe, you can be next poo-tin
no one wants you here or there, but you bruteforce your presence
yeah, russia has a serious condition calling everything propaganda from independent sources, and calls actual propaganda from state-funded media "information" i think this is called lost connection to reality, that's why Aliens exist in the narrative, right?
press freedom index is also purely made up, right?
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But if you read what you wrote, then there is also a restriction on information, and if you call information sources from Russia "Propaganda", then why don't I do the same with European sources and give them the label "Propaganda", as you did or did it for the People of Europe.
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you don't understand the difference between independent and state-funded?
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There are no independents, this is a fairy tale, the authorities do not like such, they are used to controlling everything. The EU is blocking Russian media. In Russia, openly lying media are blocked.
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just because there are no independents in russia doesn't mean there are no ones worldwide, but i see that it seems like a strange concept to you and you don't fully understand how it works
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If it seems to you that they are independent, then it means that something was not taken into account in the calculations. You cannot be independent of everything, there is always dependence.
Turn off the electricity and the machine is no longer working, the newspaper is not printed, circulation is unavailable. And it seems like independent media. Or a check comes and asks about the funds that have been received, yes, part from advertising, part from the sale of the publications themselves, part from subscriptions, but part of it is from patrons and so they can ask to write a certain article, like independent, but if you look in more detail, then not anymore.
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and you still don't see the difference to tales telling state-funded media?
i feel sorry for you
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And you still haven't realized that there are no independent media. So all the media tell stories and regardless of the location of the situation. That's just the biggest secret.
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That's the whole freedom of speech in Latvia. There are no independent media there.
Just a little heads-up to people reading this absolute horse shit. Media is free and uncontrolled in Latvia. We have news medias from all political standpoints and many openly can critique existing government and EU without repercussions.
Cement AGAIN just like other trolls is going by their Kremlin provided scenario of taking anything said about Russia and turning it around on others. Please just try to ignore him. I wanted to jump in because this git is now talking shit about my country which is not true. All in all you can be pretty sure how trustworthy is anything else that comes from this ... person ....
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Just a little heads-up to people reading this absolute horse shit. Media is free and uncontrolled in Latvia. We have news medias from all political standpoints and many openly can critique existing government and EU without repercussions.
Cement AGAIN just like other trolls is going by their Kremlin provided scenario of taking anything said about Russia and turning it around on others. Please just try to ignore him. I wanted to jump in because this git is now talking shit about my country which is not true. All in all you can be pretty sure how trustworthy is anything else that comes from this ... person
https://lenta.ru/news/2022/07/04/midbelorussii/
https://mfa.gov.by/publication/reports/d918e661adf671c7.html
https://press.lv/post/nelp-opublikoval-spisok-sajtov-predstavlyayushhih-ugrozu-natsbezopasnosti-71-internet-resurs
https://www.neplp.lv/lv/jaunums/administrativa-apgabaltiesa-lemj-neatjaunot-programmu-pbk-lietuva-un-pbk-igaunija-apraidi-latvija Administrative Regional Court decides not to renew broadcasting of programmes “PBK Lithuania” and “PBK Estonia” in Latvia
Arī Administratīvā apgabaltiesa noraidījusi SIA “Pirmais Baltijas kanāls” (PBK) lūgumu apturēt Nacionālās elektronisko plašsaziņas līdzekļu padomes (NEPLP) lēmumu anulēt apraides atļaujas programmām “Pirmais Baltijas kanāls Lietuva” un “Pirmais Baltijas kanāls Igaunija”. Tas nozīmē, ka šīs programmas neatgriezīsies Latvijas informatīvajā telpā.
NEPLP aprīlī lēma anulēt apraides atļaujas programmām "Pirmais Baltijas kanāls Lietuva” un "Pirmais Baltijas kanāls Igaunija", jo elektroniskā plašsaziņas līdzekļa - PBK patiesais labums guvējs Oļegs Solodovs ar 2022. gada 8. februārī spēkā stājušos tiesas spriedumu sodīts par noziedzīga nodarījuma izdarīšanu pret valsti, pārkāpjot starptautisko organizāciju noteiktās sankcijas.
PBK vērsās Administratīvajā rajona tiesā ar lūgumu apturēt NEPLP lēmuma darbību, nosakot pagaidu aizsardzību. Lūgums apturēt lēmuma darbību tika noraidīts. Par šo tiesas lēmumu tika iesniegta blakus sūdzība, taču arī Administratīvā apgabaltiesa lēma par pagaidu aizsardzības lūguma noraidīšanu, pirmās instances tiesas lēmumu atstājot negrozītu. Administratīvās apgabaltiesas lēmums nav pārsūdzams un stājas spēkā tā pieņemšanas brīdī.
“Tas nozīmē, ka šīs programmas neatgriezīsies Latvijas informatīvajā telpā,” norādīja NEPLP priekšsēdētājs Ivars Āboliņš.
Tiesvedības citās lietās, kas saistītas ar programmu izslēgšanu no Latvijas informatīvās telpas, turpinās.
Please give a rebuttal to the message that your administration has made.
As long as there is censorship, there is no freedom.
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yeah right, i had the same pressing feeling, that he doesn't understand the concept, not to mention, that he seems to struggle with english
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Certainly. And so my message is more that there is no independent journalism, it can only be on condition of 100% payback, but even at that moment the authorities can always find a reason why they will be closed.
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I don't know the correct numbers, but I heard that around 15K people died during that period. At the moment both sides are hiding this information. As far as I know only DNR/LNR provide such information to public - last time I saw it was around 3K people dead.
wow, that's quite a discrepancy, but i think this can happen with made up numbers, do you think you use reliable sources?
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Some media have already conducted a study on those who died in Russia in a Special operation. The sample was made on the social network (VK) and on the graves, there turned out to be about 4000, but not as at that moment as they said about 30,000. And so everyone says, only about the losses of the other side, and we have already discussed this.
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we're still taking about 2014-2021 here, someone said there were no russians in Donbass, how are then 4000 dead in russia? Aliens again?
haha, you felt for your own trap, trying to inflate the branch, so no one could follow the discussion, but as i said, we aren't that stupid as you think
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No, this is an indicator that if data from Russia and the LDPR are given, then you will declare them "Propaganda", and you will want data from European media that did not really visit these areas.
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you're talking bull again, you clearly gave propaganda numbers and i took them and put it in comparison to the statement of your fellow troll farm comrade and everything is contradicting, happens when you make up so much bull
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https://uapress.info/ru/news/show/26548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td6zBMn1vOg
On June 2, 2014, Kiev committed a cold-blooded murder - a military plane hit the administration building of the Luhansk region. 8 people were killed and 28 were injured. The strike had no military meaning, it was an act of intimidation. That is, ordinary terror.
From this number, the dead can be counted, and it will also be necessary to include some of those who died of natural causes, but who could have been saved if help had been provided on time.
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i can clearly see those 4000 dead russians in the snippets, thank you for opening my eyes
oh, only 8 dead, cementales using his deflecting superpowers again, doesn't stay on topic and suddenly starts talking about bread
people working in an administration building, well, i don't think these were ordinary civilians, it wasn't a residential building, more like a centre of the seperatists and with that a legitimate target, sorry mate, no terror there, no bread either, but Davos, no not even Davos mate
go one with your clown show and embarrass yourself further, maybe start talking about red noses next...
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In this case, the first victims are shown and when it is necessary to keep a report. As you can see, the Ukrainian media did not say how many dead, but they were combined into one rounded figure, this is just bad. After all, if you say about a few dozen, then it may be 12 wounded without killed, or maybe 89 killed and 3 wounded. These figures are not very accessible in Europe.
According to your message, the people sitting on Bank Street in Kiev have just become military and you can shoot at them, let it be the Foreign Ministry, but they have become military, I recommend being very careful in these statements.
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lol, you don't get it at all, what i'm talking about
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Why, in your message it is indicated that military people and only military people are sitting in the administration, after that I generalize that only military people are sitting in all administrations, and since at that time it was a region of Ukraine, this is spread over the whole of Ukraine.
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i also talked about the 4000 dead russians, which was at least somewhat related to the original topic, but you put on your red nose and drove with your Abrams clown car completely offroad, like usual and you don't even get it, even after receiving a warning about it
and as a side note, not everyone in administration is a military member, boy you take so many wrong conclusions, it's such a one-man clownfiesta; i'm sure there are a lot of politicians under them, but i don't want to go further offroad with you, have a nice ride, and greet RAT from me
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people working in an administration building, well, i don't think these were ordinary civilians, it's wasn't a residential building
There may be 3 administrations.
- Civilian.
- Military.
- Occupation.
At that time, there was no talk of any military actions and it was a civil administration appointed by elections and approved in Kiev. If these are not ordinary civilians, and they cannot be occupying, then this means military administration, due to the fact that there are no other options anymore. And if it is a military administration, then it is appointed only by the military, but at the same time it is an administration appointed by Kiev, and the main service is sitting on Bank Street in Kiev. So it turns out that the military administration was sent from Bank Street. and only the military can send it.
As for the quantity, this is an indicator that you can't trust anyone. And not everyone takes into account all the terms and coefficients.
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The guy on the video has a really strange English accent. I can't understand a single word.
Even the automatic translator didn't understand it.
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Reports of a Russian amphibious assault ship of project 1176 Akula hitting a mine near Mariupol on June 30 have been confirmed.
Maybe the ship triggered one of the Russian sea mines.
Putin faces fresh humiliation as his navy sinks its OWN ship: Landing craft is blown up after hitting sea mine near Mariupol
Another Russian 'gesture of goodwill'.
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Has Mariupol become a Russian city? If so, where is Kuleba screaming about the loss of territory. And they knew about the mines that the Ukrainian Navy had installed, why grain ships could not leave the port, they were afraid of mines. But it's Russia's fault that the ships can't get out, the mines have nothing to do with it, let them stand on the fairway.
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so I'll talk and make people aware of these things
...... what you wrote is something that has been going on for years already .... Most people who would care already care and know these things. It has nothing to do with Russian invasion into Ukraine and raising awareness about that.
Not that I don't agree with you - but I have a feeling you spend energy where its simply not necessary. These are widely known facts and I doubt anyone is really surprised by what you mentioned here.
This is literally war between nations and the war on consumers have been going on forever (and of course to some extent it is increased by pretext of war of course).. As with most stuff discussed here - one does not exclude or lessen the other.
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Apologies - but what are you even on about? Not meant in an offensive way - I seriously am confused what is your point here. Yes - economical situation and everything to do with rising prices is a huge and complicated topic with a lot of moving parts and far away from a simple war (which Id gladly discuss, but outside of this discussion)
What is going around the world and South Africa included is horrible, no doubt. Does it lessen what is being done in UA? Of course not. This is "wHaTaBoUt ......." discussion all over again.
I think you are misunderstanding what is actually going on in Europe. Yes - people here are also arguing about economy and sanctions, but you put it nicely :
We don't have a war here in South Africa
You don't have a war. Russia literally invaded a neighboring country. Started a war with EU friendly country. EU is threatened by this and there have been open threats from Russia towards Baltics, Poland, Scandinavia. Its a huge internal struggle for EU now. Not just economically but military wise as well. I wont act I am aware of everything going on in the international trade as I am engineer not economist, but for me living in country that receives a lot of import from UA and RUS, this has caused a lot of problems. Yes - a lot of prices are speculative, but the economical windfall from the war has stake in it as well. Shame on whoever tries to maximize their profit from the war, but that really is different problem altogether.
Also don't forget a lot of people here are literally living a days drive away from war. Neighboring countries are very active in keeping support and communication open with UA. We know a lot of stuff from internal sources and from people who literally have been to frontline. And yes - there are a lot of people like that. This is discussion for awareness for the poor UA citizens who have been forced out from their homes by unprovoked war. An awareness for absolute violation of human rights and truthful journalism from Russia's side.
So despite all the dirty political and economical games going beneath the surface, what this all is about is bringing attention to war crimes of Russia and to deter something like that happening to Baltics for example. You are bringing up fine points - but don't say people are being narrow minded - these are two absolutely different problems that can be tackled separately.
For example the company that provides heating in Latvias capital city in the beginning of war proclaimed that people have to start saving money to be able to pay for heating in the next winter as gas prices increase. But at the same time they are constantly having record huge profits. IMO those people could be publicly hanged for using the situation to increase profit... But how does that in any way affect the war? A literal fucking war, an invasion and bombings of cities in Europe?
PS. thanks for the newsnow link. pretty cool site
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Over 10,000 residents of Mariupol imprisoned by occupiers – city council
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843220.html
Some 345 children already killed in Ukraine over Russian armed aggression – PGO
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843456.html
Ukrainian flag raised on Zmiyiny Island – task force
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843515.html
Slovakia plans to transfer its Soviet fighters, tanks to Ukraine before receiving new equipment in return – PM
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843537.html
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Ukrainian flag raised on Zmiyiny Island – task force
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843515.html
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/USu4nlE
You did everything for me.
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i feel sorry for you that you haven't recognized yet, that there aren't many news on interfax.com and that they have regional sub-sites
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how is this even possible? Mother company doesn't know what the daughter does, guess it's the Aliens fault again
And what kind of answer do I see.
i feel sorry for you that you haven't recognized yet, that there aren't many news on interfax.com and that they have regional sub-sites
Then it means news from Interfax.ru will be correct and good. Or will you translate it into propaganda again?
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https://www.interfax.ru/world/850387
The DPR reported a missile strike by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from HIMARS systems on the city of Snezhnoye
Moscow. July 4th. INTERFAX.RU - The Ukrainian army used the American HIMARS MLRS to strike at the rear town of Snezhnoye in the DPR, the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire Regime (JCCC) of the Donetsk People's Republic reported.
"According to military experts of the DPR JCCC task force, while in their positions near the locality of Konstantinovka, the enemy launched missiles from the M142 HIMARS MLRS supplied to the Armed Forces by NATO countries in the city of Snezhnoye," the press service of the DPR JCCC said in a statement on Monday.
At the end of June, the LPR representative office in SUSK reported that the Ukrainian military opened fire on the territory of the republic using HIMARS MLRS.
And if about the island.
https://www.interfax.ru/world/849670
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the voluntary withdrawal of the military from the Ukrainian island of Zmeiny
Moscow. June 30. INTERFAX.RU - The Russian military withdrew from the island of Zmeiny as a demonstration that Russia does not prevent the export of grain and agricultural products from Ukraine, said the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Igor Konashenkov.
"On June 30, as a step of goodwill, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation completed the fulfillment of their tasks on Zmeiny Island and withdrew the garrison there," Konashenkov said at a briefing on Thursday.
"Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not hinder the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine," the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said.
According to him, this decision "will not allow Kiev to speculate on the impending food crisis, referring to the impossibility of exporting grain due to Russia's total control of the northwestern part of the Black Sea."
"Now it's up to the Ukrainian side, which has not yet cleared the Black Sea coast off its shores, including the port waters," Konashenkov said.
On June 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the hysteria around the export of Ukrainian grain through the Black Sea ports is artificially inflated, Russia is ready to ensure the free passage of grain ships.
"The hysteria about the termination of transportation, say, through the Black Sea ports, is artificially inflated," Putin said, speaking at the BRICS Plus meeting in the format of a videoconference attended by the leaders of a number of invited states.
"I have already publicly stated many times and I want to emphasize once again that Russia does not prevent the export of Ukrainian grain from the territory of this country and is ready to ensure the free passage of grain ships into international waters, if, of course, the Ukrainian military de-mines the shipping ports and the nearby water area," the head of state said.
Putin added: "Moreover, we have a corresponding understanding with representatives of the UN secretariat, but one thing is still missing - a constructive approach from the Kiev authorities today."
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bruh, i didn't asked about HIMARS
and about snake island they wrote the same stuff everyone wrote, the official press release, no further information, why they bombed the island afterwards and that it was shelled heavily before, of course everything was voluntarily, take the blue pill and trust your state
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Details of the operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine she didn't. It is not specified whether there is a Ukrainian contingent on the Snake.
This is an addition that you forgot to write about.
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Just don't interact with trolls, don't give them the opportunity to flood the useful info in their bullshit ;)
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i know, maybe i needed another confirmation that they reply to each and everyone being peak stubborn and need to have the last word, but sometimes you also have to take a stance and show them the reality, which i guess won't help much, because they already choosen the blue pill
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It's not even the choice. They know they're spreading misinformation, otherwise they would have already figured out that russian media lies about everything. No, they are here on a mission, with tons of (not always relevant) links ready, and possibly tons of pre-written texts they copypaste to spagettify the thread.
It's best to leave them hanging when you can ;)
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Unless, look at the briefing and the questions that were asked, it's not my fault that Interfax Ukraine journalists did their job so badly that they forgot to specify the briefing in full. And there are interesting questions and answers.
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Well, if you forgot to add another piece of the mosaic to the news, then why not add it. Accuracy in detail, sometimes a small clarification changes the whole picture.
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Ukrainian flag raised on Zmiyiny Island – task force
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843515.html
Reality. The flag was simply thrown to the ground. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-04-22/h_f95c97234e89924d0f434cf03f525fa9
That's why there were no clarifications, and after the messages I had to make this refutation.
It would have sounded like "The Ukrainian flag was delivered to the island of Zmeiny – task force."
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She also explained that her remarks about the flag being raised should be “understood metaphorically.”
"No one landed on the island. So who will install it, stick it in, raise it?,” she said. “And no one will risk people for the sake of a photo for the media.”
not to mention it was finally raised, but see latest news
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It was not possible to write this earlier, due to blocking. But it had to be added due to the fact that Interfax journalists of Ukraine gave out wishful thinking, and some European media printed it without checking, in connection with which there was then this clarification about the real state of affairs.
But about the delivery of the flag (throwing it off) this is a separate conversation and there is nothing but bad words there.
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why are you so obsessed with semantics of western media, when the plain stupid lies out of the great russian book of tales can be debunked much more easily?
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If they have become Russian media, like CNN, then I will agree here. Until now, there was Cable News Network (CNN), a multinational pay-TV news channel headquartered in Atlanta, but if it moved to Russia, then it passed me by.
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i don't understand your twisted mumbo jumbo, trying to make things up
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i don't understand your twisted mumbo jumbo, trying to make things up
Which question do you want to get an answer to. Ask your question.
I have indicated the reason why I completed your message so late.
Moreover, if the Western media write the truth (it does not always happen completely), then there are no questions to them, here if there is a check and they do not write outright lies, then there are no questions. In this case, there is a link to CNN, which just got the truth, which you added in this message https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/aN9ne3o but which was not in the original message.
Or you want to talk about fairy tales ("The Hunchback Horse", "The Tale of the Goldfish", as an option), so start the discussion, but not in this topic. We need to create a separate one.
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Captive Azovstal defenders make statements under pressure – fighter's wife
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843625.html
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Dictator Zelensky returns serfdom in Ukraine.
https://www.zoda.gov.ua/news/61850/dlya-vijizdu-za-mezhi-mists-perebuvannya-viyskovozobovyazani-povinni-otrimati-dozvil.html
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In your alternate reality, it's Democrats Putin and Lukashenko versus Dictator Zelensky.
The great democrat Putin reigns since 2000 and his friend Alexander Lukashenko reigns since 1994.
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Ok, I say how it's in your reality:
Democrat Zelensky returns serfdom in Ukraine.
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Read the comments of ukrainians, how they are glad that they will become Zelensky's slaves in 21st century.
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I'm sorry, slaves of The Great Ukrainian President Best Democrat Leader Zelensky, no not dictator
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facebook comments, haha, that's what i call a reliable source, where troll farms are most active, but i know why you know about that specific comment, probably written it yourself
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Yeah, you revealed me, I am the owner of the official page of General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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you talked about comments, is there a comment from the general Staff of the AFU or just talking BS like your fellow comrades?
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Oh yeah, really. Then there are all my own almost 4k angry comments about this news. Or maybe all they are russian bots. And real ukrainians are really glad to become slaves.
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i wrote about that specific comment, the other 4k are probably fellow comrades from your troll farm
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Звісно, за твоєю логікою українців же, котрі критикують владу не існують. Все це російскі боти. Цікаво як тобі жити у світі де все є Кремль, а люди в ньому це агенти?
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You may have missed the whole state of emergency and martial law there. Truly, what a dictator.
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you know, this can happen, if someone claiming living there, actually isn't living there and instead is working in a russian troll farm
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Yeah, you in Germany know better how it really is, then me in Ukraine
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you already showed that you don't know how it is in Ukraine
someone claiming living there, actually isn't living there
you're probably feeding the narrative of the great russian book of tales of an ukrainian who has to be liberated, complaining about the reaction and not the initial cause, you guys really struggle with this concept or is it just one person on multiple accounts?
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Добре, напишу тобі українською, щоб до тебе, телепня, дійшло, що я зараз знаходжусь в Україні. І я маю повне право критикувати свою владу за те що вона робить з моєю країною
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you just wrote in ukrainian to hide an insult
everyone can use a translator, like the most active trolls here, but most of the time they translate to mumbo jumbo
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Чому ж ти не використаєшь перекладач? мабуть в німецьких школах не навчили як користуватись такими технологіями. Давай шукай питання, щоб перевірити чи справді я носій української мови. Або і далі живи у світі омани, де всі є російськими ботами. Мабуть ти також один з них
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guess what, i'm using a translator to translate your stuff
sure, i'm a russian bot living in my delusional world, are you sure you aren't speaking of yourself now?
not to talk about, how you apply troll farm protocol, deflecting with every comment and inflating the discussion
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Якщо ти не помітив, то це ти почав писати ліві коменти, що не стосуються новин котрі я скинув. Я спочатку скинув новину з державного сайту Запорізької адміністрації. Потім в якості підтвердження скинув запис у facebook офіційного акаунту Збройних Сил України, в якому сказано що це буде стосуватись не тільки Запорізької області, а всієї країни. Але тупий бот як ти нічого не висловив за ці новини, а просто почав доводити хто тут є українцем а хто не є. Ти ведеш лише порожню дискусію ні про що. Тому дійсно, хто ж з нас бот?
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i was talking to ngrazer and you came around the corner, adding your 2 Cents, another indication for troll farm protocol, replying to each and everyone, not getting cause and effect and whining about backlash, like russia does.
I don't think everyone is a russian troll, but after several months here, you can figure them out easily
also you're talking about the branch above this one and not that one, troll gets confused about his own inflation and to be precise, you didn't just post the facebook news, you mentioned the comments, which should be read and i made fun about their reliability, you even distort things you wrote yourself
oh, and of course more insults
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В жизни не видел, чтобы по-украински писали так же жалко, как это делаешь ты. Настолько сухие и мертвые конструкции, а подбор слов - уровень соченений третиклассника. У любого украинца твои гугл-транслейты встанут как бревно в глазу. Не зря говорят, что язык - это наше оружие. Крапка-У.
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Чего до сих пор не на фронте?
И если ты не заметил, то новость как раз о том что чемодан собрать то и нельзя
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Можешь и себе такой же вопрос задать.
Ну а вообще - вперед, никто тебя не остановит, а русские же добрые, с распростертыми руками тебя примут. Благо, не особо далеко бежать надо
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Я в отличии от тебя не защищаю режим Зеленского. Поэтому повторяю вопрос. Почему не на фронте? Иди бейся за Зелю со злыми русским
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Я не защищаю его, но и диктатором называть его было крайне тупо с твоей стороны.
И если ты не догнал, украинцы бьются не за сраного зелю, а за свою землю. Обычно это руснявые дебилы не понимают, но ты-то должен был знать.
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Где же тогда все добровольцы, о которых нам рассказывала пропаганда в первые месяцы? Почему никто не рвется защищать свою землю? Если даже ты не хочешь почему то защищать родину, и правительство вынуждено силой загонять всех в войска, не выпускать мужчин в возрасте от 18 до 60 из страны? Где всё это? Может дело все таки в том что большинство понимает о чем этот конфликт.
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Украина не выпускает мужчин от 18 до 60 из-за военного времени. ты глупый?
я подтверждаю что никто за заленского не воюет. мы воюем за независимость. чтобы не стать частью туалета под названием россия. факт.
ты просто промытый телевизором бот. Финляндия и Швеция практически вошли в НАТО. и что же сделал лысый карлик? ничего. он отвел корабли. он струсил. он трус. а было много разговоров про ответный удар. Украина в десятки раз меньше россии. и мы вас убиваем. и продолжим. мы не трусы. а твой президент трус. и ты тоже. ты просто гнилой, пробитый пропагандой дурак. и я здесь прав по всем статьям.
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Господи, как же вы, тупые боты, достали. Ничего по сути сказать не можете о новости которая сейчас самая резонансная в Украине. По видимому вам ещё не обновили методичку в которой обьяснят как надо истолковывать данную новость. У нас на работе все сегодня только это и обсуждают, и надеются что общественный резонанс вызванный данной новостью заставит отменить данное решение. Если тебя не обучили украинскому языку, и ты не в состоянии даже перевести в переводчике то что там написано, то я тебе обьясню. В новости сказано что нельзя покидать ГОРОД в котором ты живешь без разрешения из военкомата. Но ты вдруг решил придолбаться к вырваной из контекста фразе о запрете на выезд мужчин от 18 до 60 в моем коменте.
И если ты не понял, то я живу в Украине, в Днепре. И мой президент, Владимир Зеленский, действительно трус, как ты верно заметил.
И скажи, пожалуйста, не трус, почему ты до сих пор не на фронте, а строчишь комменты на форумах? Родина нуждается в тебе, ведь злые русские всех украинцев вырезают. Или ты забыл про Бучу? Но ты скорее всего сольешься как и бот, который был до тебя
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ты врун. напиши мне в стим и давай встретимся в Днепре
ил дай свой адрес.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIWxt0P7ITI
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Высрал спустя сутки, молодец!
Ну и если ты дебил, и не понимаешь как тебя разводит президент, то я тебе обьясню что произошло.
Зеленский решил набрать любым способом пушечного мяса. Сначала хотел через ДИЮ мобилизировать, не проканало. Сейчас решил закрепить всех к военкоматам, что бы никто не мог выехать из города. И вбросил это через Залужного. Люди опять начали возмущаться. И он такой типа на белом коне, я разберусь со всем. И он, реализовав свою тупую двухходовку получил свои преференции. Если бы никто не возмутился, то получил бы больше пушечного мяска. Люди возмутились, и он заработал себе политический рейтинг на таких тупых лохах как ты, якобы он спаситель люда простого.
И что то ты ботяра тоже сливаешься, раз не хочешь пояснить почему не на фронте.
P.S. Приходи в 12 к ДАФФИ, мудила.
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Что то за пол часа пока я ел, никто так и не подошел. Видимо все смелые только в интернете. Или просто боты, которые даже не из Украины
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This is not a fight ring. If you want to write to someone on Steam - do it. Do not post it here and rally people up.
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Swedish PM gives Zelensky copy of letter of Charles XII on recognition of Zaporizhia Sich as independent state
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843777.html
By destroying schools, hospitals and residential buildings, Russia wants to show inability of democratic system to preserve living space – Zelensky in Lugano
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/843597.html
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The Russians are also destroying shopping malls and markets.
Market hit as Russians shell frontline city Slovyansk
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Russian Prisoners Offered Freedom If They Join Fight Against Ukraine: Report
By hiring prisoners, the Russian mercenary Wagner Group uses the same trick as the Nazis with their Dirlewanger Brigade.
The jails won't been left empty because: In Putin's Russia, the Arrests Are Spreading Quickly and Widely
A new batch of war criminals and more room to jail opponents.
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What a degenerate piece of human garbage he is. And fuck off - I wont use easier language for what basically is dictatorship responsible for starting such a war and causing such destruction and murder.
The idea of punishing a country that has one of the largest nuclear potentials is absurd. And potentially poses a threat to the existence of humanity
Basically - "yeah we did it all but we are above the law because we have nuclear weapons"... I've said it before and I will probably have to say it again - each time a Russian politician opens their mouth they overstep the boundary of idiocy. And each time they somehow trump the previous stupid shit they have claimed.
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yeah, like they think they can do whatever they want, because they have nukes and start crying, if they receive a backlash, russians don't seem to understand simple cause and effect, and to add Lavorv is the same moron
i'm not surprised they have good relations with Trump
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Lulz, Ukraine has sold two French-donated 155mm Caesar howitzers to Russia
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a "news" site that cites german conspiracy and radical political outlets is sure to be trusted ;)
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Looking for the initial root of this topic, it appears to be a June 30 article.
The site was created in 2018 and lacks credibility.
There is little evidence, and when I accessed You Tube within this site for additional information on the site in question, I found only posted content that appeared to have been censored in the offending video.
From this information I could not trust.
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of course it's from a shady site, i already mentioned this earlier, how they have to rely on shady scum media, because no one else supports their propaganda
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I am not warm or cold from this message, due to the fact that this message is made for European users (not from Russia). It's just a message that everything can be bought, and France itself gave Caesars for most of the military tests in combat conditions, and not in landfills, in order to find out about the real combat value, and not what is in the brochure.
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It's just a message that everything can be bought
Yes, literally - how a media can be bought by Kremlin to spread propaganda. Apart from that message this fake news article means absolute shit.
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I won't write anything to you, because it will be spam, I gave an answer, if you don't like it, it doesn't mean that the answer is bad, it is as it is. Watch your media about the mood of the people, they can write anything according to your message https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/SByJqSK and there is freedom of speech.
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I didn't want to answer that message because it was just stupid. But the PBK was taken down for spreading propaganda.
And the owner was charged for criminal offences against country for not adhering to sanctions set by EU. Everything nice and fine.
I'd agree to a point that maybe outright banning propaganda channels wasn't the best approach, there where perfectly fine reasons for doing so. If the channel is spreading absolute bullshit lies then we don't need it. Every other media has been left untouched. If Russia can censor any news from outside world, I don't see why we can't retaliate.
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Russia did not start this media war first. Medusa broadcast until February 2022, only in the first days of March (possibly in the last days of February) it was stopped broadcasting, and only the channel and without making accusations against the management.
And if the correspondence with the created message, then those living in Russia do not care that they bought 2 howitzers. They somehow don't care about this, here only the price surprised the purchase of 120,000 for 1 piece, at its price of several million, I won't say for sure, because I just don't know.
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AFU denies info spread by Russian propagandists about alleged destruction of HIMARS
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/844204.html
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/ABZONf4vWhRA/
NOTE: Russia's MOD updates are known to not necessarily correspond with the footage of what Konashenkov is announcing. So that particular footage is not necessarily of the HIMARS being destroyed. However there are reports all this morning that a HIMARS was destroyed near Artemovsk/Bakhmut. Russia here appears to confirm it but we'll see how true it is
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Russia has no proof they have destroyed HIMARS.
Ukraine says they have not. Basically its RUS word against UA.
Even without taking sides there are no "reports". Its just as always Kremlin claiming something. And with rap sheet of lies as long as Kremlin....
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nice, how you dug up another trash source to confirm your claims
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Ukrainian flag hoisted over Zmiyiny, destruction of about 30 pieces of Russian equipment on island confirmed – task force
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/844364.html
About 30 units of enemy equipment were destroyed, abandoned ammunition and solid ruins were found, as a familiar trace of the 'Russian world.
Remember 'Russian warship' Zmiyiny Island is Ukraine!
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I'm sorry, but you can clarify what kind of equipment it was that was destroyed if there are no troops of the Russian Federation since June 30, 2022, and this has been confirmed by many. Or attach links.
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man, how can you be that annoying?
ever thought about that they left some crap behind?
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So then why destroy it, it can also be captured.
Here, if you write a message like this, then the first question will be "What was destroyed there if the enemy was not on the island." Or was there a fire on their own, but this can't be, or did it really happen?
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that's just your way of deflection from the more important points
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/30/europe/snake-island-russia-ukraine-invasion-intl/index.html
Where it says about destruction, there is no such thing.
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you're providing a week old news
of course you can't compare it with news from today
just more deflection... or should i call it spam?
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So far I see spam from you, due to the fact that there is still no answer to the question about 30 destroyed pieces of equipment, provided that there was no assault. So do not take the message aside and give an answer about 30 units that were destroyed, as it were.
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man, are you a bit stupid?
I'm not a member of the Ukrainian army, how can i have more information about those 30 pieces of equipment?
and i already said, it was obviously left behind, why don't they captured it, man, you're playing the dumb now, you're the one usually talking about military technology, even if not asked about it, i think you can figure out enough reasons, why they destroyed it.
Or did you just sensed your opportunity to inflate the branch further and talk extensively about the reasons?
Why don't we talk about the solid ruins, which are a familiar trace of the 'Russian world
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No, it's just that this news agency is noticed in exaggerating what was in reality. As you can see now, the European media did not write about the 30 destroyed units of military equipment, but only about the operation and the raising of the flag. But about the fact that the flag was hung, I will not argue here, it is there. And so there are American photos of the island of Maxar Technologies on which there are no Russian troops, that's the question - "What can be destroyed if it's not there?"
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Idk why these 30 units matter so hard for you, as someones life would depend on it and idk why you're so obsessed with semantics of western media, when the plain stupid lies out of the great russian book of tales can be debunked much more easily
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/LFG1Mav
Here is part of the answer, but also the continuation of the conversation.
Don't go off topic, please.
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Ukrainian MFA reminds Lavrov about publication of confidential correspondence of Maas and Le Drian by Russia
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/844225.html
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In that case, the correspondence between France and Germany was published, and if this confidential information became public, then there is a problem for those who provided it and made it possible for other persons to find out this correspondence.
But Lavrov's statement is already being claimed for correspondence between France and Russia and Russia is one of the parties to the negotiations (which the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Oleg Nikolenko forgot to add about), which just shows that one should have a conscience and not make declarations without the consent of all parties.
In short, the French acted like idiots, it was necessary through Germany (Austria, Belgium, here the country goes to choose) to lay it out, then it would only be a conversation about the leak of the negotiations themselves, and not about the negotiations themselves.
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so you're mentioning double standars here
for me violations of diplomatic ethics are violations of diplomatic ethics, it doesn't matter, where the information came from, the one who leaks it breaks the ethics
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I am also against violating business ethics when publishing correspondence, but in one case the correspondence was published by a party that did not participate, but in another case it was already accepted. And here, if the party to which this correspondence has become available, but which did not take part, can act as it will be beneficial to her, then this does not pass through business correspondence.
Everyone knew that Macron was holding telephone talks with Putin (it was not a secret), but just the contents of these talks are a secret.
As I noted a little above, then the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine got into the wrong business, here when their country published this correspondence, then it is possible to respond to this statement of Lavrov and even no one would say bad about it (would take for granted), to make such a statement, but to the statement of the minister The Foreign Affairs of Russia and this correspondence between Russia and France is no longer suitable.
And so part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of other countries will already be thinking about whether it is worth negotiating (High-ranking officials make their wishes about negotiations, but the ministries discuss the time and duration of negotiations), suddenly negotiations between Macron and Karl Nehammer (as an option, this politician) will become available to everyone.
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again, it doesn't matter, who breaks the ethics and if they are involved directly or not, otherwise you're applying double standards
man, when it's shift change at the troll farm, time for a semi-smart troll to take over this account
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- Do not post few messages in a row.
- You really need stop to argue ad persona. All of this is not acceptable. Either give source and argue a point or stop to post. I really don't want to see this thread as back and forth between you and 2 - 3 other users where people attack each other:
nice, how you dug up another trash source to confirm your claims
man, how can you be that annoying?
ever thought about that they left some crap behind?
Idk why these 30 units matter so hard for you, as someones life would depend on it and idk why you're so obsessed with semantics of western media, when the plain stupid lies out of the great russian book of tales can be debunked much more easily
man, when it's shift change at the troll farm, time for a semi-smart troll to take over this account
i wrote Europe not EU, you're a bit dumb today
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okay, i'm sorry, i will edit my posts in the future and add news this way
i wasn't aware, that this isn't wanted, i thought it would mixmatch too much and because HIMARS news was from yesterday, Snake Island is from today and the news about correspondence was posted half an hour later.
and i'm sorry, that i was a bit annoyed and offended, as he started to reply to each and every of my posts, but i will write more neutral in the future. Their goal is to silence us as he already admitted and it's hard for me to swallow all the stuff he's making up, or pointing out inaccuracies, when it doesn't change the core of the news
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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-62072419
Boris Johnson will resign as Conservative leader today - he will continue as Prime Minister until the autumn.
A Conservative leadership race will take place this summer and a new Prime Minister will be in place in time for the Tory party conference in October.
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and that has what to do with Ukraine?
this isnt the global news thread
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He supported Ukraine very much, but now we need to think about how the support will go.
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he will stay till autumn and until then, we don't need to think about how support will change, if at all, because Europe is pretty united in their opinion and support for Ukraine
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A little clarification, if you forgot. The UK is not a member of the EU, it has left it in accordance with the BREXIT decision.
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It wouldn't really matter. UK wouldn't want to go against the majority of EU even if they are not part of it anymore.
It would lend them quit a backlash IMO. The new PM wouldn't want to start their term with going against what in western world is considered the right thing.
Same as if Putin would leave his presidency. There is absolutely no chance of someone taking over and going against what has been done. I think such analogy here is apt.
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A little wrong, they want to completely reset the government with a change of many things.
While this was being discussed, new clarifications appeared (This is on 17.03).
Former Prime Minister Sir John Major has written to the chairman of the Conservative's backbench 1922 committee warning it is "unwise" for Boris Johnson to remain in office while his successor is chosen.
If Johnson stays at No 10 Major says he will still have the power to "make decisions which will affect the lives of those within all four nations" of the UK and further afield.
While some argue that Johnson's cabinet will "restrain" him, Major adds, that the PM's previous cabinet "did not - or could not - do so".
Major suggests an interim PM, like Deputy Prime Minister Dominic Raab, or a streamlined election process would be "in the national interest".
"For the overall wellbeing of the country, Mr Johnson should not remain in Downing Street... for any longer than necessary to effect the smooth transition of government," Major writes.
Dominic Raab will not run for Conservative Party leadership
Deputy PM Dominic Raab will not run to be the next leader of the Conservative Party, the BBC understands.
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bruh, you're always talking about shit no one asked
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/Cl1Bnx0
Clarification on your message. I admit, I should have written a little wrong, I gave the wrong answer.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-boris-johnson-we-dont-like-him-either-2022-07-07/
Russia seems to be happy about this in relation to Ukraine..
Some fascinating comments by elite :
"The moral of the story is: do not seek to destroy Russia," Zakharova said. "Russia cannot be destroyed. You can break your teeth on it - and then choke on them."
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Russian tycoon Oleg Deripaska said on Telegram that it was an "inglorious end" for a "stupid clown" whose conscience would be blighted by "tens of thousands of lives in this senseless conflict in Ukraine".
Just another case where these clowns open their mouths and trump previously stated stupid stuff. I especially love that Deripaska statement is more appropriate for Putin than Johnson. Although the ending could be quite glorious in a sense everyone would just love and rejoice in the news of such end.
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What is, is. In this case, Boris left, not Vladimir.
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It is what it is, and UK will not change their view regarding Ukraine/Russia, when they have a new prime minister. It's Johnson himself who kicked himself out, because of his misbehaviour. Russia didn't have to do anything with it. That's the difference between Putin and Johnson, Putin can poison or kill anyone he wants and doesn't get punished for his misbehaviour, Johnson just needs to party hard during hard times and his people already get enough of him.
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This is not general news feed. Fact that someone who supports Russia or Ukraine leaves government is not a reason to post it here.
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A new low for Kremlin. Using apolitical setting to spread their propaganda. Pathetic at best.
Edit1: Sorry from me as well, I've been posting a lot here as well with just links. While trying to abstain from empty discussions I do get sucked into some at moments. Anyway - Ill try to put any updates I think are relevant in my latest comment instead of posting new ones all the time :)
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/07/putin-defeat-russia/
He also warned Kyiv and its Western allies that Moscow has not even started its military campaign in Ukraine “in earnest.”
So now our favorite neighborhood dictator is threatening the world on how Russia hasn't even started anything serious in Ukraine. I wonder what is serious for them after the huge losses. I suppose nuclear weapons - probably another pathetic attempt to hide nuclear war threats behind empty boasting trying to inflate his fragile ego.
Imagine the fucking nerve of a bloodthirsty dictator who has literally committed terrorist acts and ordered opposition to be murdered accuse democratic world of trying to impose totalitarian liberalism unto them and UA...... what a dipshit ..... I'm just flabbergasted by the sheer arrogance and obsessively annoying lying.
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Pathetic at best.
yeah, some stupid things politicians do, i.e. renaming square near US embassy in Moscow to "Square of DNR" (all issues in country were resolved, only such things must be done :( )
I assume that flag was delivered last month on this rocket:
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More than a hundred civilians die from Russia’s aggression in Kyiv, inspections of shelling sites completed – prosecutor
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/844634.html
Accusations of Nazism in Ukraine cause anger, but they look like joke – Zelensky in interview with CNN
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/844657.html
and for the full interview:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/07/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-interview-cnntv/index.html
Ukrainian medic released in prisoner exchange accuses captors of torture
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/07/europe/ukrainian-medic-captive-torture-claim-intl-cmd/index.html
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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-07-07/stepan-bandera-is-the-wrong-hero-in-ukraine-s-valiant-flight-against-russia
There are more fitting ways to identify with Ukraine’s noble fight for freedom than to honor a partisan who looked up to Hitler.
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that's not even objective news, it's an subjective opinion
not to mention this: https://time.news/ukraine-news-ukrainian-foreign-ministry-distances-itself-from-melnyks-statement/
but who asked about Bandera anyway?
also, i couldn't find any proof, that Bandera looked up to Hitler, he collaborated with the Nazis, but does this make him a Nazi himself?
he was even imprisoned by Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
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I'm not saying it's news, no, it's just an addition to your news. But to read it or not to read it, then everyone decides for himself.
It is necessary to know historical figures and their deeds and deeds.
There is an indication about this in the article, and even that perhaps the ambassador of Ukraine to Germany will be recalled, and because of the interview.
also, i couldn't find any proof, that Bandera looked up to Hitler, he collaborated with the Nazis, but does this make him a Nazi himself?
he was even imprisoned by Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/ji2XvUV We have already discussed Wikipedia earlier. More accurate data is contained in the archives, just a part with a secret stamp and costs for example 100 years, only recently part of the archives became available and then they had a stamp of 50 years.
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a subjective opinion can never be an addition to objective news, because it distorts
if there is an indication, it would be a subjective indication, you always have to be careful with opinions
and what news are you even referring to?
There wasn't anything with Bandera or Melnyk and who asked about the possible consequences for Melnyk?
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and what news are you even referring to?
There wasn't anything with Bandera or Melnyk and who asked about the possible consequences for Melnyk?
Here's the news.
Accusations of Nazism in Ukraine cause anger, but they look like joke – Zelensky in interview with CNN
I can supplement the post.
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