Definitely, hopefully it will bring them closer to the "gaming scene" if you may call it that way, maybe even allow them to focus more on gaming performance oriented CPUs/APUs.
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I think i'm no to somethign here. This round shape can help us out.
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I think, the first 2-3 years. I will be better than most good pcs (depending on the definiton of a good pc), just because of the optimization. That's atleast how it used to be before, but the gaming market has changed a lot in the last years. (Computer wise, so I'm not sure.)
Kinda looking forward to it, but still unsure about that touchpad, a touchscreen in the controller would have been ultra cool hough imho.
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Yes it is likely that will happen, as it did with previous generations; hopefully it will also drive the PC devs (and/or ports) to take a further look into optimization. As for the touchpad, i haven't put much attention to it to be honest, let's just hope they don't force the use of it as it is with other stuff.
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This is very unlikely to happen this generation. Of course you need to define what a "good" gaming pc is. If you consider a good gaming PC to be around $500, then yeah the PS4 and next-gen Xbox will cream it. If you consider a good gaming PC to be $1000 or more, then they don't even stand a chance of any real comparison at launch.
I remember when PS3 and the 360 launched, my gaming PC already put them to shame at the time. I think that's even more likely to be the same case this time around.
The problem with optimization on launch consoles is that it's usually non-existant. It takes several years for developers to learn a console and unlock it's full potential. The PS3 was a prime example of this as it was a real bear to code for. The PS4 hopefully won't have this issue however as it's pretty much just an off-the-shelf x86-64 PC architecture. It would seem that they've learned from their past mistakes.
Will they both be fine consoles? I have no doubt. Will console gamers love them? Without question. Will they stand up to good gaming PCs? There's not a chance in hell. It's just not technically feasible. My current mid-range gaming PC already blows the doors off the PS4's specs.
edit: As an aside, I'm impressed that they went with GDDR5 for main memory. I think that's the only real surprise of these specs. Can they put all that bandwidth to good use? I'm not sure. For pushing pixels yes of course, but for main code memory it's probably overkill. That said, they are pulling all the stops. I don't see the next Xbox coming close to matching these specs... but who knows.
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So basically it has 8gb of ram(sorta overkill if you ask me when you factor in PC games don't use that much and PC's have to deal with Wondows, background apps, etc..) and an equivalent of a a 6870/660? The CPU/APU I am guessing will be sporting something around what AMD has been releasing with the 8 core cpu's correct?
Not half bad, I expected worst to be honest, its basically a mid-high combination when compared to todays PC's. Should do well, lets hope they don't milk this generation like the last one, would be nice to see the PS5 in 5 years or so...
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I really would think a 2-4 core with a bit more muscle would work better...but I am not creating the system after all.....oh well.
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yes, when I heard it was an 8 core, I instantly assumed that it would be clocked to something a little over 2GHz, maybe 2.3GHz or so, which would give beautiful processing power. But since it's only 1.6GHz, I would prefer a 3GHz quad core, but as you said, it's not us designing it, and I won't be buying it anyway xD
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For some reason I can't see them putting in something stronger then a 6870/660, well not unless they upped the price of the console. I think the 8000 series is out of question unless its a lower model of that series...but hey I might be wrong, it really specs wise looks in line with the 6870 though.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/APU-Jaguar-PlayStation-Kabini-Temash,21229.html
According to that, the GPU will be from the next generation which is the HD8000. But bear in mind that the Jaguar APU is low power so it won't be as fast as a normal one. Honestly, I think that the GPU is will have the performance of a current HD7770 or HD7870. We'll have to wait and see.
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Well its a possibility, honestly I hope they make it as powerful as possible, maybe then ports will be nicer....:-D!
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Not that I don't necessarily believe Tom's Hardware in this case although they are often (usually?) wrong, but I had read that the PS4 specs will be based the current HD7xxx-series architecture, somewhere in the mid to upper range. So I think we are probably pretty close to the mark in assuming the HD7770 to HD7850/70. Honestly though the HD7xxx and HD8xxx architectures aren't tremendously different anyway and are based on the same lithography.
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will be better optimized so games will run more smoothly (not all will but majority) but not look better than on a PC... I'm kinda impressed that they managed to pull it off but not surprised...
now the second problem: will you be able to use ps3 discs on it or pre-owned ps4 games... both MS and Sony are trying to phase out backwards compatibility and pre-owned games which, in the long run, will make them more money (both companies have issued statements saying they'd like to but are not sure whether they will go ahead with it)
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PS4 is equivalent to a 710 USD PC assuming the GPU is equivalent to an AMD HD 7850. 8 GB is a lot of RAM maybe Sony learned their lesson from putting only 256 MB RAM for the PS3s GPU. With 8 GB GDDR5 games can probably use real life pictures for textures, 16x AF, and maybe enable 16x MSAA if the gpu has enough graphics power. Also if you factor in PS4's lightweight OS it could out perform a PC that costs 88 percent more.
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1.89 w/e teraflops, 16AF, and 16MSAA wont be showing up to the party mate, also there was no mention if they will keep the standard FPS lock of 30. 88 percent more? Lets assume a lower price point of 500, that would be 940 dollars for a PC, that can include a GTX670, 8GB ram, 1TB hdd/256SSD, i5-3570k.
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well I know they look like shit compared to PC-only games, and didn't care enough to narrow down exactly what year PC games matched up to current gen console games. I feel like I got the gist of my point across, but I'll keep your criticism in mind for any future sarcastic comments.
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Who needs to know these silly little details when you see that shiny 8GB and 8 cores. XDDD
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From the article: " We have confirmation of the eight-core Jaguar CPU architecture from AMD (x86 in nature, with 64-bit addressing - Sony calls it "x86-64")". It's essentially a 64-Bit chip. AMD's x86-64 Bit extensions have been around for almost a decade now starting with the first Opteron. It ended up being so good that Intel gave up their ill-fated Itanium architecture and adopted AMD's solution instead.
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I don't really have anything else to say other than quote this, "PC stood in for PS4 at several points in the event - the core processing elements in the new console are derived from AMD computer tech. In a fixed box system, the potential is immense."
Ok, that's not really all I have to say, lol... this does look impressive though - it'll be interesting to see what this gen of gaming will be like!!
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I don't care about the specs. Obviously it's going to be more powerful than the PS3 and it's going to have amazing potential even if the developers aren't fully using it with launch games because it's new. All that I care about is, will I be able to play all of the PS1/PS2/PS3 games I paid for bought and downloaded from PSN.
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PS2 and PS1 will have "every game" they had on their consoles apparently PS3 games on disc will not be able to be played but downloaded I would have no clue
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not really. I mean, just go and try to buy 8GB GDDR5.
Also, a closed system can get way better performance. Just saying. You can try all you want, you are not getting the same performance as a PS4 in a 400$PC.
That, and PS4 allows developers to code to the metal.
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Think of the 8GB of Vram as normal PC ram, its used to hold both video and OS information from what I can see (on the PS*). So in that perspective, plenty of people can go and get 8GB ram or 16 or etc.
The fact that you have to rebuy your games adds quite a lot to the cost. Think about it.
"MAN, I just love my 50+ game collection of classics etc etc that I bought at release because I love supporting devs." Le ps4 comes in, "FUCK, now I cant play any of my older games on my brand new console unless I rebuy them for the same price I paid 4 years ago!"
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8GB GDDR5 its way, way more than a simple 7GB ram.
Why would I rebuy my games? Wut? I have a PS3 for something.
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500...cutting it a bit low to match this...in 1-2 years sure maybe then.
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No one can build a PC with the specs of the consoles coming out for 500.
700-800 yeah sure you can, no problem, but not 500.
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Are you sitting there, watching porn in their browser (ps4), accidently hit the button and all, all your friends know that you love: D
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How exactly does that apply to a console whos flagship feature is a social sharing obligation? I mean, the ps4 isnt out and you seem to claim it has a private browsing feature of some sort, and then you go off and throw in PC users for good effect. Also, humiliation is hardly going to cull the herd or filter the gene pool.
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wah, I meant go on your PC/laptop and use the private browsing function. aka don't use your console for surfing porn. Indeed, it won't literally kill then and I wasn't speaking literally. People have brought this "my friends will see me surfing porn" complaint up many times I've seen and it's ridiculous...
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i personally think that using x86-64 architecture in a gaming console is the last nail in the coffin of console gaming. we will see "hackstations" and "hbox" in the same fashion that we find "hackintosh" nowadays. also remember the piracy fiasco in the original xbox
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Some like to kick back on a couch with a 60" HD tv and play games with a controller. Yes you can hook your PC up to your TV and hook your controller up to your PC but not everyone is in the position to do that or want to keep their PC in another location than their TV.
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I have a HDMI 50ft cord and a wireless controller, I really don't see how this is harder then how most run Internet cords around the house. I run it down from one floor to another.
I think its just laziness really. I am not anti-console but...that excuse wears thin when you can grab a long cord for less then 20 bucks.
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Not many people like the idea of having to run cords through their house just to do that. Many do not have a $800+ computer that has a blue-ray drive. Additional barriers of entry to having everything you need and doing all of that for the masses when they can just buy a damn console and be over with it lol. You have different services available to you, games that are console exclusives, so on so on. Just have a good PC and a console :p
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Most people I know run cords through houses all the time...maybe I just hang out with weird people :-P. Well yeah thats your best bet. PC + Consoles(If you like the exclusives of course).
No need for a blueray drive at this point, not sure what you mean.
Consoles are a lot simpler so they work good for people that don't want to go nuts building a PC, I agree. It is lazy in my eyes though but thats just me.
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Bluray if you like watching HD movies and playing console exclusives, but if someone didn't care to play the exclusives then that part wouldn't matter. Netflix and streaming media usually are in 480p to my knowledge.
None of my family or friends runs cords through their houses. Suppose some people out there do though.
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Me and everyone I know have terrible nightmares about wireless signals(Mostly internet cards of the past) so we try to stay away from that scene.
O_O
To afraid to see if its gotten better.
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I've had a few terrible wireless cards. A friend tried one that connected through usb. He had good luck with it so I bought one and it worked great, way better than the "high quality" hundred dollar wireless card I previously had that had driver issues among other things and was a nightmare.
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I have a couple of consoles (Wii, 360), a PC and a set top box near my TV. The consoles are smaller than the set top box (the 360 is taller but smaller in the other dimensions). The PC is bigger than all of them, although it's still okay there, but it can only support half height cards.
It would be really hard to get any decently performing PC the size of an Xbox 360.
I don't know how big the PS4 will be, but I'm sure it will fit a living room a lot better than standard PC's.
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So you are no longer using the PC as most use them. You have it only hooked up to your TV and you sit on the couch to use it meaning you need a wireless mouse and keyboard otherwise you have more cord issues. Then there's storage problems of putting away the mouse keyboard, issues of where to set the keyboard and mouse when using them... so on so on. I've done the hook my PC up to my TV and I did not like it. I like my desk tyvm. Guess every time you want to do some work on your computer you like sitting on the couch and laying back.
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"Not many people like the idea of having to run cords through their house just to do that."
Pretty sure that doesnt say "Average Joe doesnt like the tower in his living room."
Thus, running of cords can be eliminated by placing the PC in the living room.
I dont like needing another lump of plastic collecting dust in my living quarters, does that mean no one does or average Joe is the same as me??
"Many do not have a $800+ computer that has a blue-ray drive."
What do you need a PC blu-ray drive for? Movies? You can just toss a 40-50 dollar blu-ray drive into w/e tower you have, as long as it has SATA3 or above. Or you could, idk, get a bluray player, maybe even one of those ones with a disc change and shit, and network it to the PC/TV.
"Additional barriers of entry to having everything you need and doing all of that for the masses when they can just buy a damn console and be over with it lol."
A PC is used for more then just gaming, most people, if not all console owners, already own at least a 350 dollar PC, throw in the cost of a console (600+/-) and thats 950 without having to also buy proprietary accessories, or be locked out of your older games. 950 can get you a pretty nice rig that can do a lot more then a console.
" You have different services available to you, games that are console exclusives, so on so on. "
PCs allow users to do a LOT more then a console, PC's also have exclusive titles, gasp I know.
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Most people have laptops. Connecting one to a TV is usually possible these days, but to make it a gaming system is impossible. You'd have to buy a PC specifically for this.
I have no idea where you get the $600 price where the PS4 was said to cost $420/$520 (presumably different disk sizes).
The thing is, you buy a PS4, it comes in a form that fits the living room, has decent enough hardware, can play movies, etc., for $420. You buy a PC, it's nearly impossible to find one small enough with enough power for gaming, and if you find one it will be a lot more costly. It won't be used for productivity work either, because I doubt many people will want to work off their TV.
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It's still hard to find something that will be as small as a console and with similar power. You'll end up with a "console PC" which costs more, takes more space and doesn't really offer much more (it will offer "exclusives" over the consoles, but the same goes the other way).
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But thats wrong. There are plenty of ITX cases that are about the same size, and can offer more power. And it does offer much more, the more flexibility and other functions of a PC.PCs can do much more than a console and not browisng the web,playing games, etc.
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What useful function can a PC hooked to a TV do that a console can't? I'm sure there are some minor things, but I don't believe many people are running productivity applications on a TV.
When wireless displays become a norm (which is what NVIDIA and Valve are advocating), I'm sure that the PC will become more attractive for the living room. Until then, I think that you'll still be looking at inferior hardware for the same price, in a bulkier device. (There are some PC's much smaller than a console, but then you're looking at really inferior hardware.)
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All I get from your arguments is how superior you think PCs are and how you don't want to spend a little extra to have both a console and a PC. I'm tired of this pointless argument. If you're a true gamer, have both and quit whining about how superior PCs are.
Here's the point of a console: 1. a complete package that allows novices that don't know how to build a gaming computer to participate in gaming. 2. hardware specs that don't change allowing devs to get very efficient at maximizing that hardware's potential. 3. a social hub for you and your friends to relax around able to play co-op/split screen games.
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It's an interesting spec for sure. Makes me wonder about the performance of the Jaguar cores. Their use in the PS4 might mean that they're significantly better that Bobcat, which would mean that next gen AMD HTPC/laptop/tablet chips could have decent performance.
GPU looks to be at the Radeon 7850-7870 range, which isn't bad for 1080p gameplay with decent AA.
All in all, I don't find this hugely exciting, but it looks pretty solid, and should help bring more modern PC level graphics to console games, which in turn should mean that console ports will look less crappy.
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Hopefully it will be even better than that since it has 8 cores.
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Wow, very impressive indeed This may very well be the hardware that will push this (and next) games' graphics. That plus the fact that it will not force an always-online connection seems to have a huge advantage over the new Xbox (speculation, as the new M$ conole specs have not yet being released).
Even though i'm a PC gamer and enthusiast (i own an old PS2 and used it like 4 times), i'm glad they are going for something that powerful, even for todays standards.
It will take some time for developers to really squeeze that hardware, but the sole fact that it's finally getting an upgrade, plus the 8GB VRAM GDDR5 really brought a smile to me. Let's hope for the best.
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