Hey

After years of playing on a laptop, i can finally get myself a new desktop gaming computer.. but i don't really know that much about gaming builds and need some advice :)
I'm looking for a computer that would run pretty much anything at max settings now and for the next few years..

After some time looking i've arrived at this :

  • Case: Kolink Punisher RGB
  • Motherboard : MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon
  • CPU: Intel i7-8700K
  • Power Supply : BeQuiet 700W 80+ Silver
  • CPU Fan: CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 120
  • Graphics card: Geforce GTX 1080Ti 11Gb
  • RAM: 32Gb DDR4
  • HDD Drive: 2000Gb
  • SSD Drive: 500Gb
  • Wifi 300Mbps PCI-e card

Price for this build + Windows 10 64 Bit would be 2332 € (~$2718)
How do you feel about this ? is this worth the price ? Am i missing anything ? Should i change some components ?

Also, i asked a professional guy who builds/repair PCs etc and he told me that a Radeon RX 580X would be better than the GTX 1080 Ti, but i'm having some doubts as everthing single comparison i've seen seems to say that the 1080 Ti is way better than the Radeon... thoughts on this ? should i trust him ?

Thanks for your help :)

Also, I lied.

5 years ago

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From my, admittedly layman's uderstanding of graphics cards there's like a whole class of diference between an RX 580 and GTX 1080 Ti. You get an RX 580 if you want to play at Ultra settings at 1080p and you go for 1080Ti if you want to future proof yourself or play at 4K now

5 years ago
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The 580x will never be as good as a 1080 Ti, they aren't even comparable.
A 580x is of course not a bad card but in a different segment.

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1080ti absolutely destroys 580x. Keep in mind though, that the successor of the 1080ti is to be launched in early August if rumors are true.

5 years ago
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Apparently they pushed the date more near 2019, or at least "not anytime soon" according to Nvidia CEO.

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Cannot see any apparent problems with the list beyond not stating what RAM exactly. Nowadays CPUs and even software can now finally utilise high-frequency memory, so at least get something along the 3200 MHz range. Also, make sure that the SSD is an M.2 PCIe one and not an M.2 SATA (much slower).
Otherwise, it is the standard flashy expensive build.

The RX 580 is a 350-dollar card, the GTX 1080 Ti is an 800-dollar one. I'll let you take a wild guess which one is stronger. In terms of sheer price/performance, it is better, yes. Nvidia cards are always ridiculously overpriced since they have the market share to do it. They always have the one GPU which has an actually rational price tag, then everything else.

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Bump!

5 years ago
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I am sorry I cannot provide much advice, but thanks for the GA: :) I can confirm, however, that there is no way the RX 580 can match the performance of a GTX 1080 Ti...

5 years ago
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You want to play max settings at what resolution? What's your monitor? Or are you buying a new monitor? 1080ti is far better than rx 580 but it is overkill for fhd 1920x1080. If I were you I would wait 2 months until the next Nvidia generation is announced. I see no reason to give 900+ for a 1080ti now. Also get a 1TB ssd preferably the Crucial mx500. I also would prefer a Seasonic prime or prime ultra psu. Your cpu runs hot, too, it will probably need delidding/liquid metal/repasting/whatever who will do this?

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I'm gonna have to buy a new monitor, any advice welcome
I've read that new CPUs would be coming out soon but financially it would be better for me to buy the computer now rather than a few months away. I will have a lot of other stuff to buy and would rather get my PC out of the way right now
This pc build was made on Sedatech.net as i don't feel like building it myself and they seem like a trustworthy company

But they seem to have limited option regarding customization sadly, if there is cheaper / better alternatives somewhere else i'd love to take a look

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Get a 144Hz one with GSync (for Nvidia GPU) or FreeSync (for AMD). As the names suggest, while both do the same and GSync is actually just a barely-modified version of Freesync, those monitors are usually 30-100€ more expensive, because Nvidia license. But the tehnology makes your gaming experience in fullscreen a lot better.
If you play in windowed, it is totally unneeded, so just get something at 144 Hz and 1440p+.
(Oh, yes, disclaimer: g/free sync work in windowed, but in fake fullscreen only. Some people—like me—prefer to have the games in an actual smaller-sized window to have some screen space, so I was referring to that as playing in windowed.)

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I see, thanks a lot for this advice :)

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I don't know how service/guarantees are in France but to be on the safe side, I would get a Dell monitor of the ultrasharp line, to have that premium on site guarantee. And have a look here for advice on choosing components http://www.logicalincrements.com

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+1 for the Dell monitors. My U2414H is one of my proudest purchases, crisp quality, the bezeless panel is nice, lots of ports, i can rotate, tilt and raise the display, VESA standard, is compatible with its own soundbar and so on.

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The main thing I'd say is that maybe you might want an HDD as well. 1TB Western Digitals are cheap as hell and they're good for storage. They're not extremely fast, but I'm not suggesting it to be your boot drive anyways.

I've cut down on my disk space usage a lot and I still only have 183GB left on my 930GB HDD. You can get an HDD for around 30€ or so, if you get a cheaper one.

Also, if you want to save money, then remember that getting a Windows 10 license isn't too important. First of all, you can use the "trial version", which is basically the normal Win 10, but with a light watermark at the bottom right and you can't do a lot of customization when it comes to toolbar colours and so on. You can still change your wallpaper and everything else is the same. As far as I know, it lasts forever, so it won't lock you out or anything. So that's around +100€ to your immediate budget.
If you want Win 10 for a cheaper price, then you might want to also look into cheap Win 7 keys and see how the upgrading would work and if it still would work. I've heard people upgrading to Win 10 from their Win 7 as recently as the beginning of this year. That would change your budget by a lot, since you can get a Win 7 key for 5-20€.
Last thing, if you still want a Win 10 key, then check out gray market sites and places like Ebay. You can find cheap Windows keys there. The main thing there is that they usually sell OEM keys, which don't have restrictions, but do have less rights when it comes to customer service.

As for your actual build hardware wise, check out some of the Ryzen CPUs. If you're more into gaming, then some of the higher end Ryzen CPUs might be a better choice. But you'll have people also claiming the opposite. Just try and distinguish actual advice from those that are fanboys.

I'd also go for 1080TI if your budget allows for it. It's just a way better card compared to 580x.

EDIT: Make sure that your RAM speed is higher, rather than lower. Higher RAM speeds impact performance massively.

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As some people said, you could wait several months for the new NVidia graphics card series and buying something cheaper for now, but well, you always can wait for something new.
What RAM sticks exactly will you use? Same question goes for the SSD (MLC or TLC memory?) and HDD.

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If you have the money, that's a pretty sweet machine to build. Have you thought about using 2-3 monitors for productivity? (even if it's just recording a video game in obs, it's cool to have it on the 2nd monitor while you're in the game... not to talk about chat/discord/whatever or any serious work)

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It's not in my immediate plan but a second monitor might be sweet in the future :)

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Okay, then here's my advice. When choosing an exact GPU model/make, be sure it has enough ports of a certain kind you prefer so you don't get locked in. It's easy enough to find adapters, but it's always some hassle with them.

It's probably much easier now than it was a few years ago, since DisplayPort is more accepted and a standard today.

When I got my 2 monitors to replace 1 old vga, I had to go with DVI since that's what my GPU had (2x DVI and only one HDMI that I use for a cheap Chinese made projector to play games on the wall when I'm in the mood)... and now all the new GPU's have only 0-1 DVI ports and most are DisplayPort only with maybe 1 HDMI as bonus, so I can't change gpu without changing monitors.

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Beautiful setup plz specify memory modules

5 years ago
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What about an Alienware?

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Same config is little over 3200€ at Alienware, so great advice, barely one thousand Euro price markup for a logo…

5 years ago
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I didn't knew the markup was so high. But it can be used to get a hardware list to buy somewhere else.

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Dont buy windows, save money

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Any way to get Windows 10 Pro for cheap/free?

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I think i can't talk about that here.

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i bought it for 6€ on amazon.

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In theory DX12 should work the best if you get both Nvidia and AMD. But if it's ever worth it is another thing. :)

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You can never really go wrong getting the most expensive parts as long as you don't mind the money waste. Personally I never go for the top-end stuff as this is where vendors do their biggest margins, which is why the Radeon or a 1080 not-Ti, or a 1070, could make sense, but to each their own...

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Yes, objectively you're probably right about that, but i've come to accept that i'm a superficial guy and that the "Holy shit my PC is a beast" feeling is worth the extra money.. to me at least ^^

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As far as we can go, I'd suggest integrating Intel Optane Memory to accelerate your hard drive speeds. They recently integrated the possibility to accelerate your secondary drive so you can install games on Hard Drive and get them to load faster anyway.
Considering the price of your build, I don't think you should have too many problems adding 60$ to it.
For all the rest, I'm not sure about anything unless you can send us the exact stuff you are gonna get. Like brands etc. There's nothing wrong in the build unless we know exactly what you will buy.
I suggest you fill in this thing here with exactly the pieces you would get to let us know if you made any blatant errors or even minor ones.
In November I made a similar post (where I learned really a lot of stuff) and the thing that was said to me numerous times was that the type of SSD I would have bought would give me no benefit for the increased price. It was a SATA M.2 SSD.
There's a lot to learn around the web about builds, so I also suggest not to go too fast unless you have an ending date to respect. Take your time and learn your preferences.

Edit: I'd also get some more TBs on that HDD. It's not really an issue, 2TBs capacity is pretty ok, but they tend to have a better price per gigabyte the higher the capacity. It also depends on what you'll do with it, I tend to download a lot of stuff and store them for years like a sick hoarder so I got one 3TBs HDD, one 1TBs HDD and one 2TBs EHD. It's up to you, but there's like 15-20$ of difference between 2TBs and 3TBs and between 3TBs and 4TBs, while a new 1TB HDD is priced around 40-50$.

Edit #2: as support member MSKOTOR here suggested, you can either get Optane for 60$ more or a 1TB SSD for 120$ more (progressively better with price increase). These both have more benefit than 500GB SSD + 2TB HDD for your games boot and load times. Both configurations highly suggested if you have the money and if you care a lot about loading times. Your choice.

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No, optane would be good if there would be no SSD drives on the market. Otherwise it's technology that's dead moment it was released. Esp that SSD drives will hopefully drop in price / gb soon when they will start to produce more modules.

So it's solution for someone that can't use SSD for some reason. Esp that it uses either M2 slot or PCI-E 3x. 1st can be used for nice small SSD, 2nd should be used for GPU

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As I stated above, Optane integrated the possibility to boost a secondary drive. People with small SSDs and/or low speed connection will benefit from it on loading times of large games installed on an HDD.
Not a priority, as loading times are just a minor annoyance, but a basically cheap stuff to integrate in a 2300$ build.
Personally, I install all large games on my HDD. I've got a 250GB 960 EVO so I've got a little bit of problem with, let's say, Final Fantasy XV or DOOM. 500GB SSDs can also get stuffed easily, if numerous 85GB games get installed on them.
Not a priority, but a suggestion.

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You know that Optane works as cache, so it's nearly the same as SSHD drive? (and they died long ago when SSD prices dropped). Part of most used data from HDD is stored there, so when you access it next time it will load faster. And all data you load for first time will take as long as without Optane.

32 GB drive that's 60$ will be able to cache one game. So sure if you have 1TB HDD, have on it few games and play only one at a time, then Optane might be worth it. But surely not when you play in few games at a time. Optane won't know what to cache (as a lot of data will be used constantly), and may cache bunch of data from few different games. And it won't give any boost in loading times.

64 GB would be better, as you could at least stuff there 2 games. Or most of files of 4 - 5 games. But with it's 120$ price it's completely not worth it when 500GB SSD cost 120$, and 1TB cost 240$.

Even when we compare only 32GB Optane it's still not worth it. When buying 1TB SSD + 2TB HDD would be only 60$ more than 500 GB SSD + 2TB HDD + Optane. People will benefit way more from extra 500 GB SSD (so at least 10 big games), than from 32 GB cache.

I do agree that when you have only HDD, and can't afford to pay 120$ for 500GB HDD it may be worth it to boost system loading times and some applications. But surely not when you plan to have SDD + HDD. As it will be simply cheaper to add few bucks to have bigger SSD, than to buy Optane.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12748/the-intel-optane-memory-m10-64gb-review-optane-caching-refreshed/9

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...Why didn't you just suggest getting a 1TB SSD instead of criticizing me, then?
Don't care anymore, I came here to be useful, I'm dropping the argument.

5 years ago
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Because I don't need to write super long answer for so simple statement that optane is not worth it. You should be able to prove your point that it is worth it when you propose it. Not me. And stating fact it's not wort it and backing it up is not arguing or criticism.

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Just want to second the recommendation on pcpartpicker.com, really handy website.

5 years ago
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1080ti for sure.

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I have a potato computer, so I'm no help here.
Hope you find your answer though.
Bump for good luck!

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You should know that the gtx 10XX are about 2 years old and as such new GPU should be coming soon. Because of this fact I'd not buy a gtx 1080ti. Buy something cheaper like a 1060 or the AMD equivalent. I'd upgrade to the 1170/80 (ti) when it would be released. While these cards are "cheap" they still give more performance then a console.
IMO it is not worth buying the most expensive GPU and instead upgrade "regularly" when new generations come. For example the gtx 1070 is very similar to the 980 ti in terms of performance, the MRSP of the 1070 was 550 while the 980 ti is 850 euro. These cards are just 1 year apart.

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just dont go with i5, its a pain in the ass

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My suggestion is to wait the next Nvidia generation, but who knows when they'll really come out. With a 1080ti you'll be able to rest well for the next years, but apparently money is not your concern, so i might as well say "get it". Either way, you could resell the 1080ti for a decent price and get the newest one for way less money that usual.

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at which resolution and refresh rate do you want to play? if you play on 1080p 60fps the gpu is overkill, ram seems too overpowered and not needed if you want to use it for gaming only.

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  1. Rumors are around that nvidia will release the new generation end august/beginning september. You might want to wait for this.
  2. High-End and Rx 580 dosn't work. If AMD you would buy at least a Vega 64 (but the 1080TI is still better)
  3. Buy at least a Gold PSU. If you want to spend that much money I would not save on the PSU.
  4. AIO Watercooling is most of the time more expensive, louder (the radiators) and not as good as stong aircooling systems (Noctua for example)
  5. 2.5 TB looks like a lot... Wouldn't 1TB but only SSD be the better way?
  6. FAST Ram... Size is not the only thing...
  7. If there is any way, go lan and not wifi.
  8. I don't like the look of the case (^^)
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2.5 TB is nowhere near "a lot". I have 2+2+3+1+0.5 and I am thinking about replacing the 2 TB disks with 4 TB ones.

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larger hdds are less reliable.

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^this.
also with that much of data a NAS might be the better way to store music, movies and pictures...

I would not want to store my games on a hdd anymore.

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Yeah I have 1 tb for apps/data, 1 tb for games and a SSD for system and it's becoming not enough.... specially in the games department.

You have 5-10 coop/multiplayer games installed so you can jump right in with your friends now and then, because everyone is busy and working and stuff so it's hard to find time and if there is time, no one wants to download things and wait, and it "eats" 500 Gb easily.

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