why there is your avatar in the trading? You are Finnish, this means you made this screenshot from your trade window or just edited it.
Edit: found it, why you not link the thread? http://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/29hyjp/
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Well todays Dota 2 update brings this new voice line for unreleased hero, that hero is Goblin Techies and there is 3 of them as one (That hero is still work in progress but it will be released soon, in 2-3 months)
So I guess Half-Life 3 confirmed !
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It is, top secret.
DAMN THE INTERNET.
SUPPORT NSA, SUPPORT SOPA, SUPPORT YOUR CUNTRY!
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Yeh, this is a big point. Trading keys around doesn't cost anything but this Wallet Transfer seems to cost at least 5%.
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True, but once bought they can be traded back and forth between people forever without fees. The only time someone pays a new fee is if they want to sell it on market instead of re-trading it.
I know when I sell a game for keys, I turn around and trade those keys for new games rather than toss them on the market at a 15% loss.
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Hmm, yeh that's a good point :P
They likely cash em out so they can buy more games to sell.
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Makes sense. Would be pretty pointless to trade them for games since you could just buy the games for the lowest price already :)
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Wouldn't this kill the steam market?
Sell a card on the market for 10 cents. Get .08 cents.
Trade the card and have someone put 10 cents to your wallet, you eat the fee(if it's rounded up to .01) and get .09 cents instead.
On a larger example: Sell a $5.00 background on the market, get $4.36. Do the trade for $5.00 and eat the 5% fee and get $4.75.
Plus now the devs are cut out and get no percentage, just all valve.
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They'll take a hit at first when lots of people try to clear them out, but they'll recover due to people who use them for their actual TF2 use.
Might just take a while for supply to re-balance with lower demand.
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Wallet trading won't kill the tf2 key market 1 very simple reason why, you need keys to open tf2 crates, and its cheaper for people who want to open crates to get them from the market place than it is to buy them from the mann co. store. Also people buy keys with ingame items so they do not even pay for them with wallet or real cash.
The only way it will kill the key market is if steam either A. makes tf2 keys non tradable in the the regular market, or B. they make keys untradable in general.Seeing how I doubt they will make them untradable, the only other thing they might do is make them only tradable in-game. If they do that, people will still be able to trade keys for games but would just have to do it in game.There are already trade servers in TF2 in which people do this.
Its pure speculation at this point, but all I will say is, if you see a game you want at a sale price you want, you might want to use some of your keys you have been hoarding to get it.
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They are $2.50 mann-co store vs. $2.20-2.35 average price market. Strange that it costs more for market in euro then it does at the mann-co. store for you guys.Even if its only a savings of $0.20 people will always be willing to save.
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Actually just the opposite has happened. Massive farmers can no longer farm multiple accounts at once on a single PC. Steam can now detect multiple instances of the game being run (even in a sandbox) and will only allow one account to receive items. Even then you have to click on a popup that you received the item before you can get another.
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I mean people scamming for example paying 6 usd and saying its euros to the other party in Europe
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I only have one TF2 key at the moment, so I'll just try and trade it away, to be safe.
I only buy keys as I need them, from a trustworthy ST trader. I try very hard not to keep a balance of any artificial currency, lest I wake up one morning and its worthless or gone.
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Oh god I have just started a trade thread to sell my keys ;-;...
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No code for specifically for sending currency.
https://steamcommunity-a.akamaihd.net/public/javascript/economy_trade.js
var xferAmount = this.GetInputValueAsInt();
if ( theirInputValue.match( /^[0-9,.]*$/ ) && ConvertToTheirCurrency( xferAmount ) != theirInputValueAsInt )
{
bHadWarning = true;
strWarning = 'Due to currency conversion, you cannot send %1$s to %2$s. The amount being sent has been changed to %3$s and %4$s will receive %5$s.'
.replace( '%1$s', v_currencyformat( theirInputValueAsInt, GetCurrencyCode( g_rgWalletInfo['wallet_other_currency'] ) ) )
.replace( '%2$s', g_strTradePartnerPersonaName )
.replace( '%3$s', v_currencyformat( xferAmount, this.m_currency.name ) )
.replace( '%4$s', g_strTradePartnerPersonaName )
.replace( '%5$s', v_currencyformat( ConvertToTheirCurrency( xferAmount ), GetCurrencyCode( g_rgWalletInfo['wallet_other_currency'] ) ) );
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What are you trying to imply? That a TF2 key crash would be bad?
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Of course it could be good. The keys run almost the whole trading system of steam itself. If keys crashed, everyone would be free from the 'give keys or gtfo' trading 'rules'.
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They would just demand wallet cash instead, nothing would change.
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people rather trade for keys than paypal, because it is obviously the safer method.
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You're joking, right? It's just as easy to be scammed through items as paypal.
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absolutely not. items might also be stolen, sure. but in that case you can ask steam support to reverse the trade and get your items back. which seems to work totally fine, as far as i've heard (never had that problem myself). steam support doesn't help you at all to get your items back, if you paid via paypal (traded outside the steam trading system). and of course someone has to go first in a pp trade. so even if there are no stolen items involved, you might get scammed. trading with tf2 keys is way, way safer.
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This will almost certainly have tax implications if such a thing were to happen.
Right now, Valve has it pretty easy from a tax perspective, since they only have to worry themselves with reporting income for those who exceed the market limitations. If this gets implemented, it will certainly make life far more complicated for all involved. For one, the person transferring the wallet could have gift tax related liability, which Valve would then be obligated to track and forward after a certain figure is met. Similarly, depending on how it's structured, the recipient of the wallet could hypothetically be forced to classify the money as income for services or goods, depending on the nature of the trade. Previously, within the encompass of digital goods with more transient value, monetary value is far more debatable with less incentive to force tracking. Wallet on the other hand has a tangible figure, which opens up a number of possibilities. It would be very likely that the tracking system for wallet transfers would work very similarly to the market restrictions, when certain figures are met, it triggers reporting of the figure to the tax authorities regardless of actual "profit", which would be up to the individual to keep records of actual cost.
This wouldn't likely only apply to the IRS, I would be surprised if European countries/governments wouldn't also want a slice of the pie.
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And if they suddenly called it Steam Points and had 2 possible currencies in shop (real money and Steam Points) problem would be solved. Because right now if i traded with you i would be exchanging euros for rubles... and thats basically dabbling into money exchange market.
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If the fees are 5%, I'm pretty sure Valve will automatically add the region restrictions tag to every game. Well, even if the fees are 15%, one day, every things available on Steam will be region restricted, even more when they'll add the news bunch of currency they've planned since some months (Canadian $, Chinese Yuan, Japanese Yen, etc...).
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So basically Valve wants to screw over the devs? Right now the devs get a small percentage from community market deal(10% I believe), now they won't get anything because people will lose less money making deals like this..
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It'd be a dumb thing to do.
Why buy things when they are not on sale when I can buy it from someone who did buy it on sale.
They might as well have a community market for the games too.
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Why should Steam get a profit from reselling a game and those who created the game not?
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It has never been that way, when trading for keys the fees go to tf2/steam and if this all end up being implemented as it is now it'll just mean tf2 won't be getting a huge chunk of cash from games being sold.
The only thing devs might lose is the extra income from cards on the market, since people will probably start selling their cards in bulk with this new system especially the cheaper ones, then again that's maybe a buck or 5 max a day for the popular game cards so I don't think devs will be affected at all.
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