This is exactly what I do. I always have issues with lower levels, even Level 3 sometimes gives issues.
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Never having actually given away a game (waiting till I win one before I put one up. I'm weird like that)
I think I would give away games to users of my level, maybe the first give away will be open to all, then next one to Level 1 etc
Or whatever the gut feeling is really.
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I get where you are coming from, I didn't create a giveaway till I won 2 (actually 3... one of them was never sent to me)
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There's all kind of mindset. Some people will not give until the win something. Others will give quickly in order to increase their odds by getting access to level giveaways. Some will simply give out of pure generosity without even trying to win anything for themselves.
You pick what feels comfortable to you and go with the flow. :)
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I usually put 3 or 4 because I've heard so many stories of people who won with non activated wins or multiple wins or whatever and I just want to spare myself the trouble of having to ask for a reroll. It's just less likely that a level 3 or 4 user still doesn't know the rules.
Kinda selfish, I know. But meh, my giveaways, my rules.
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I agree with your reasons, though. Your comment included a few things I missed, you just described everything more detailed :)
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I know, I have seen people with level 3 or 4 that have regifted, too, but what I'm saying is that it's usually less than level 1 / 2 / 3 users.
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Well, don't worry about what games people have. One of most important things is:
Now on you level question... well, some people choose higher levels to show appreciation to users who contribute much stuff to community. Other people do lvl GAs because they don't want to feed leechers (you know - zero games given, 40 won). I belive there is as many reasons as there is users.
As for myself, I prefer to make GAs with at least level one. Why? There are few reasons, I will name some of them. Note that they might sound harsh, so please don't hate me :P So, first of all - I really, really don't like people who enters everything and don't read descriptions. It kinda hurts when I see a GA where in description creator ask for some recommendations or, IDK, songs, and for 500 entries, there are 4 comments, all of them generic, copypasted thank you. I somehow assume that people with higher levels, people who gave something from themselfs, might actually care about this community and maybe they will read where they are entering. Everyday I'm proven wrong on that theory but thats for another disscussion
Second thing - I'm kinda scared that someone might go wrong with lvl 0 users. I know, everyone have to start at some point and I shouldn't put them all in one bag, but I feel like most of this zero level users don't give a damn about site and just want free games. Any games. They might cause problems like not marking games as received or giving won key to someone else and, for example, lie that key wasn't working. And, you know, it's not even about my CV that I would lost, or GA slots. It's more about the fact that this GA would appear on my profile as not delivered. This community is great, it gave me many good things, and I'm not talking about games, and I would like to stay honest and 'clean' without any suspcions that I'm trying to be funny, doing some not fair stuff.
Third reason that I can recall now is, well, not feeding leechers. Zero level users are biggest group on SG. I know there are many reasons for this, but let's be honest - part of them just roam on main site, actually not being part of community. I don't want to give them my games, I want to give my game to someone who helps this place be what it is.
On the other hand, after all, it's your game that you GA so you can make any rules that you want, and I will always respect it.
Also, cool thing is making invite only GAs, and posting them in your own threads. That way, you will now that at least part of participants are part of community, if that means to you as much as it means for me.
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Wow, I appreciate every ones answer, but you wrote a pages worth, so thank you for the insight! I completely agree about the lvl 0's.. I know when I first joined I was getting into every GA I could, but am finding myself being more and more selective.
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Also, cool thing is making invite only GAs, and posting them in your own threads. That way, you will now that at least part of participants are part of community, if that means to you as much as it means for me.
Slow clap ensues and intensifies
Oh Kartyl, always making my day worth the harsh wake up of the morning!
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I would suggest sleeping/waking up at a different time so you no longer have a harsh wake up of the morning, though.. that might mean you have a harsh wake up of another time of day, but I don't work miracles.
Also, mostly whats been said is how I choose.
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Yup. haha
Also, I was joking about the harsh wake up, even though it's actually a pain ):
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Me too, brother! :D
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Thanks for every ones thoughts! It seems like the higher level you are, the more likely that you'll have a higher level giveaway, which makes sense to me. Since I'm at level 2, 1 and 2 is where I'm making them. I'm sure as I go up, they'll go up as well.
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I tend to either put no lvl, or try and Do them at the same lvl that I'm at, in hopes that other people will do the same, but there are'nt that many people who do lvl6 GA's.
There are plenty of lvl6 people to place entries, but not many who create GA's at that lvl.
Myself, I've seen that Games with a lvl1 restriction get fewer Bots/Leechers, it's not until lvl3 you get real drop in the number of entries.
After lvl3, you'll get progressively less entries, all the way to lvl10, which there are like only about 20 active lvl10's.
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I'm usually creating GAs with no restrictions, because I like the idea of everyone having an equal chance. Occasionally I'd create a lvl 1 GA, which is still perfectly acessible to most people :)
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I usually choose the level I'm at, but sometimes I just put level 1. I don't give away stuff to people who haven't contributed though. They don't deserve it :P
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I'm considering going with a minimum level of 1 from now on. I'm fairly new here (registered ages ago but forgot about it and just recently got back to the site), but is it common to see so many re-gifters and unactivated wins?
Out of curiosity I've started checking the winners of my GAs, and most have (1) never contributed or (2) re-gifted or (3) never activated their win or (4) the only thing they've given away is a game they received for free.
As easy as it is to achieve level 1 here (one giveaway, even of a simple bundled game), there's really no excuse to have NO giveaways created. If you can afford the PC to play a game, you can afford one game to give away. I've only been active here about a month, and just going through old bundle keys has brought me within a hair of level 2.
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same here i joined a year or 2 ago and never won anything, i usually unload my spare keys i don't want on my friends in the i watched the entire overblood super replay group on facebook ( gameinformer fan club of sorts) but sometimes nobody on there in my friends list wants any of them so last night i decided to finally toss some up on here and a few hours after my first GA finished i actually won something too which was nice. i think least if i do it on here its more fair in a way since i don't have to think about who to pick to give it away to and the system picks instead and with the timeframe that is whatever you set its nicer than just posting it and it being first come first serve. if its a more expensive title i'll probly think about how old the game is and maybe set it to a higher level but till that come i'd say the average indie game from a bundle will just be level 0 or 1.
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I go through different phases and feel I'll likely change it up soon, but generally it's about my fears of what could wrong.
Gifts - I see these as safest option with the least that can go wrong. I know it will work and I can always show gift history if it came to it should I need proof of sending etc. Usually somehwere between level 0-5, and I've given more of the better games at the higher end of that scale.Still like to include everyone with something quite good every now and then when I'm making public GAs.
Keys - I worry about these a little more, mostly levels 3-5.
Private giveaways with links given out on the forum - happier to to take the levels down a notch or two.
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I try to make level zero's every once in a while and for really cool unknown games I found because I feel everyone deserves a chance and for some games I just want everyone to discover and play it. However, I usually do level 1 and 2 because of experiences with low level people. I want the really expensive and good games I bought to go to people who actually contribute. If I have multiple games, I like to make multiple ga's with increasing levels. I also do something similar with series, Increasing with the newest/better games. Also shown here.
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That's just one of the many reasons why you are on my whitelist and you're so cool. Doing the right things for the right reasons and explaining them well! :D
When I grow up I wanna be like you.
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Basically my mind goes crazy and I over analyze it :)
Me at life. But anyway:
Level does not equal competence. People give gifts, that doesn't mean they'll always end up marking them as received. If you look at my profile you will realize I've started gifting only a little while ago (credit card's a new thing in my life) and I've never had a problem with my GAs, even though I've only made a few and all lower levels.
Wanted games, more people. Try gifting Skyrim and make it lvl. 0 and you'll understand. If you have a widely wanted game to gift, be a little more selective to avoid leeches who cling to the next best seller for support.
Make them private. Giving out GTA V? Wanna make sure only those who really wanna shoot those people on the streets get it? Make a quiz on It's Too Hard or something to filter out who can partake. As a bonus, make it lvl 1, since it's just absolutely the easiest thing ever to get there - and the easiest way ever to filter out people who never ever give back.
I thought all of that should be said. Forgive me for the long reply and it all has been said before.
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This!
I had a level 2 I had to "friend" on Steam to remind them to mark as received... :/
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I don't get the point of making them for high level users, they got to high levels by making tons of giveaways, and if they can afford to give away so many games they surely can get any game they want themselves. Most users that reach high levels either simply enjoy giving or are promoting their work / groups.
TLDR: "Rich" men don't need to play the lottery.
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if they can afford to give away so many games they surely can get any game they want themselves
If I was buying every game I want, I wouldn't have anything left for giveaways.
I didn't buy some games I wanted during the sale because I bought other games to give away instead.
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No rule is absolute, everything has exceptions. Besides, I did say that most just enjoy giving (or are promoting something). I suppose it's one of those times where there is more to the story. I do appreciate your generosity and I'm sure many others do.
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Giving away games doesn't make anyone rich. At the most, it makes such a person generous. There is a difference between the two and many seem to confuse them. It is the decision anyone can make. Will you buy the item for yourself or to someone else? Anyone can enjoy winning. Just because some people have more games than others, does not diminish that.
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The whole point of level giveaways, when they were introduced, was as a way to thank those who are generous and make the site work in the first place by giving away games. If no one gives anything, then the site just wither and dies. This used to be done in private groups before that but many were left out so it at least brought those giveaways to a larger audience.
Of course, over time, for many it became a way to filter out the leeches, who will siphon anything they can without contributing anything back. The unfortunate side effect is that those who actually can't make any giveaway, because they lack the means to buy games themselves, are being left out. There is, however, a wide range of open giveaways available to them so no one is being truly left out.
And don't confuse rich and generous, because those two things have very little in common. The games I give away have almost all been bought on sale or acquired through trading, often at the expense of games I wanted to get for myself. I don't even buy games for myself unless they're t least 66% off because I can't justify the expense.
I have a decent job, and most months I can pay rent and buy groceries without too much hassle, but any money I spend on games is money I can't spend somewhere else. There are times when I have wished I didn't spend for some giveaway and took my wife out for dinner or a movie instead. Having a bit of disposable income doesn't make someone rich by any mean. I'm just a bit more at ease financially than some who do not have that luxury.
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yeah, that.
being generous doesn't mean one has a lot of disposable income to share.
there are a LOT of people here that have over 1.000 games in their libraries and gave away like 5 games while leeching a lot... or some saying "look noobs i spent $2000 on my new pc what do you think lol" and when you look at their profile it says won: 100 / sent: 2 -_-
we aren't hollywood stars or own a multinational company... don't tag lv10 users as rich, they are just normal people that enjoy giving away games.
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Like I said above, there's a reason I put rich in " ", it was just a self made expression, it wasn't meant literally. It just sucks to be looked at as a leech by some high level users when I'm not a low level by choice (which you seem to understand), I was even blacklisted months ago by someone because I'm "a leech", so I guess I just got frustrated. I understand getting blacklisted if I'm a douche or brake the rules, but blacklisted because I'm struggling? That's just kicking a man when he's down :).
Regardless thank you for all the giveaways you make, you've spent more on this site than a year's worth of minimum wage in my country :).
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Basically you must understand who do you target.
L0 - You're targetting a leecher or a person who never ever created a giveaway. He doesn't care about you, all he cares about is a free game.
L1 - You're targetting a member who created a giveaway just to "do anything to get there". Such people are mostly leechers who leveled up by giving away 1 bad game, very often it's a regift.
L2 - You're targetting people who understand how the site works, gave away at least a dozen of titles, and even if they have uneven ratio of given away / won games, you know that they're giving away something from time to time.
Of course, in all cases, there are exceptions and it's just stupid generalisation of people, so it's just a target population and nothing else.
I mostly create my giveaways on L2, sometimes on L1, and rarely (1/10 or 1/20) L0, mostly for "dirt cheap" titles. I consider L2+ as a good "default" level to choose, as it filters very well people that didn't do any giveaways (or 1 just to get to L1), and even if they have very bad ratio, I don't feel from a winner being ungrateful, which is very often a case with L0/L1 gibs.
For "better" titles I put L3, and very, very rarily L4, if I feel like giving that game to people who contributed much more, for whatever reason. I know that it's hard for people buying only bundles for dirt cheap to get to L5 (like me), so I never put anything higher than L4.
That's my algorithm.
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No true and I feel honestly offended to be qualified as lowly and as simply that.
Just saying.
Not everyone that's low level here is a low level at life too.
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I reread just to make sure I missed the word "generally" and its derivates. It isn't there, sadly. But yes, I was able to get your spirit, I just really dislike and am unable to see the purpose in generalisations because
“I often wonder why the whole world is so prone to generalise. Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate.”
― Agatha Christie, Murder at the Vicarage
“All generalisations are dangerous, even this one.”
― Alexandre Dumas-fils
edit: I see it now, I'm really tired and I'm truly sorry for any confusion. I still stand still on my opinion of generalising, however, and I think we should all be less prone than to just take it as quickly (:
Once again, my bad, Archi. I'm sorry. (:
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Of course, in all cases, there are exceptions and it's just stupid generalisation of people, so it's just a target population and nothing else.
You can either accept that fact, or tell me that I'm wrong and most L0 people are not leechers, or that most L1 people didn't give away just one game.
Unfortunately, in reality it's not true, because target population is based on MAJORITY of people in given group, not minor exceptions. And majority of both of these groups are trustworthy described above.
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I edited my post a while back, so I hope it all makes more sense now!
Perhaps I'm just a little too optimistic trying to change the way things work, then. Yes, I believe we should settle with that simple conclusion.
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There's no need to be angry at falling into one category or another, you should be proud of being "an exception" rather than "a rule". Because this is what sooner or later will make you jump off your current population to better one, no need for hard feelings, everybody was there at some point ;).
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Thanks for the understanding and I'm so relieved this didn't end up in an argument or something, it's always awful when that happens!
On a side note, I'll always be proud of being an exception when I view being such as a good thing. (:
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I go between no level 0 and 1 depending if I want someone to actually use a better game (nonbundled) as opposed to not mark it received and trade it or something. (I know that a generalization for level zero's but you gotta give to get, unless it's a cheap bundle game) besides that I base it off the price of the game and if I'm really bored and don't care I just click somewhere on the slider and that's what I make it.
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Hmm, it depends I guess. :)
I'm not interested in making "Level 0" giveaways for expensive stuff. Has the winner read the rules yet? Will they try to sell the game? Make a giveaway for it? Gift it to a friend? Maybe add it to their "real" Steam account instead? I'll let someone else deal with those clowns... :)
If there's any chance of a problem, I'd rather make a higher-level giveaway since those people know how the place works. :) For example, I bought a "MLB Front Office Manager" disc from Amazon, before noticing I already owned it. Since it's a removed game, I can't just buy one from Steam if the key doesn't work... :)
I think some make higher-level giveaways as a way of thanking the generous people around here. One problem with that, though - someone who spends thousands of dollars on giveaways can afford to buy any game they actually want. :) Therefore, if they can enter the giveaway, they don't actually want it. :) I don't know the solution to this. :)
For cheap stuff, I don't care as much. I'd prefer the equivalent of "$30.01" in the old Steamgifts, i.e. some value that represents spending actual money on your giveaways, and not just dumping bundle leftovers. :) But there isn't any such thing, if you give enough bundle stuff you can get any level you like. :) Oh well. :)
For forum or group giveaways, I don't know. There are "Level 0" people who scour the forums for giveaways, saying nothing, giving nothing, just chasing free stuff, but I think most people who use the forum are as generous as they can afford to be. :)
I haven't finished any puzzles in a while, but those are more fun with a lower level. Nobody wants to spend a few hours on a puzzle only to discover they can't enter. Hint: check the giveaway creator's profile, people... :)
Oh, I almost forgot. Sometimes it's fun to troll annoying people with a giveaway they can almost enter, i.e. http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/2rbPJ/counter-strike-global-offensive http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/BEfmw/rust http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/io1Un/sakura-spirit http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/2nl9I/dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition :)
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I would consider people entering for giveaways without intent to play the game as general "problem". It does not depend on level. Backlogs are backlogs but I personally hope that the people entering the givaways at least have the intention of playing the game. It is a bummer to have witnessed someone winning your giveaway, not thanking at all and then months or years later see that they have not even launched the game. Someone else could have enjoyed that gift.
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That's a good question. I usually give bundle games away cheap, though I usually do at least level 1+ if I want CV quickly because those users tend to respond quicker than others. If I'm doing a whitelist giveaway, an I do quite a few, I usually put no level requirement, because I don't worry about them at all. If I'm giving away something great, I consider upping the level a bit, to reward other contributors. There's not really any solid math for me. just sort of general principles.
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Mostly random, or mood induced level selection.
But I tend to make level 1 giveaways. That is because even when I have very little money, I've managed to giveaway some copies to this awesome community; so I think that everyone can make at least 1 giveaway.
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Curious to find out how people decide what level to make a giveaway. I'm currently at level two I have been making giveaways mostly at level 1, but some at 2 but then I think all the people at 2 or higher might already have the games and wouldn't be interested in them anyways. Basically my mind goes crazy and I over analyze it :) I'm a little nerdish like that :P
Sooo I thought I'd just throw this out there to see how other people determine levels to put them out. Or if there's already a deep thread about this point me to it?
Thanks for the input!
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