What's your usual level requirement?
You can make public GA's. Use there at least lvl 2 to hold the baddest ones away.
At that level i Blacklistet 180 from 330 that entered a GA from me (no joke), so in my opinion are Public GA's too often wasted money and time.
I prefer to use sgtools or group GA's
Example:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Bc22Q/masafors-giveaways-21-new-gas-lvl1-05-real-cv-ratio-o
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+1 for SGTools, it's a nice way to avoid rule breakers and the "500 wins, 0 gifts" case you mention
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I would also second SnowyK's suggestion to create Playing Appreciated GAs (I see you've joined it. Welcome!) and using sgtools. And I hope you picked up on his tip that you can set a GA level requirement higher than the one that you have yourself. E.g. lvls 2-10. I usually set a minimum of level 3 myself though
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Here's a rough guideline:
Level 0 - full of bots and leechers
Level 1 - cuts out most of the bots and leechers, but still has lots of both
Level 2 - mostly people, lots of card farmers
Level 3 - mostly active members
Level 4 - active members that may play the game
Level 5 - active members that will probably play the game
Level 6+ - just increasing the odds of winning for the most generous people
If you want to make it available for the largest number of people, but you want to cut out most of the bots / leechers - Level 1.
If you want to cut out even more bots / leechers, at the cost of a few people - Level 2
If you want someone to actually play your game - Level 4/5 (or Playing Appreciated group)
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I was thinking on something more or less like that as well, I guess for now I'll just let the ga's +2 or +3 on level if it's a good game and the really good games I'll put in playing appreciated. To be honest I don't even think it's necessary for the person to actually play the game a bit, but give games to people that just take and don't give back it's sour for me. Thank you!
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Well?
Lv 0-2 Bot and the nest of problematic people
90% of Lv 0 can be regarded as a bot.
80% of Lv 1 may be regarded as a bot.
60% of Lv 2 may be regarded as a bot.
Lv 3 or more.10% of the applicants who have broken the contract once 50% are fugitive. Bot less than 20%.
A part of this story is a joke, but the rest is true.XD
In public GA setting, Lv 3 or more.
If you can build it below that, you need to devise a way to raise the human rate by using invitations and puzzles.
Long ago, I did such an investigation.
Giveaways Trap :) https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/0f2Oq/giveaways-trap
Add applicants to the block list! I have made GA.
There seems to be a BOT corresponding to the bulletin board.
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I didn't want to put the level bar high 'cause there are actual people that want to play and don't have money to give back, I just wanted to avoid the bots/leechers, I think doing a puzzle or threads with invitations are great ideas as well! Thank you!
To be honest I'm just gonna start blacklisting every leecher that enter my giveaways from now on (`A´)
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the amount of users in lv0 makes them all look bad. there's 895k in lv0 vs 311 in lv10. https://www.steamgifts.com/stats/community/users
you will find people using autojoin, leeching nonstop, and winning to idle their games in all levels. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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While people at the "top" (level 10) do tend to be better at saying thanks than the really low level, I've had disproportionately large amount of issues with the two extremes (level 0-1 and level 10). In many ways I actually find the top worse than the bottom
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If you want the games you give away to be played, level 10 is sadly not the way to go. And I've had more issues (proportionally to the number of users in each level) with people ignoring giveaway instructions/requests from level 10 users than any other level.
Generally I find that I've had the least issues, proportional to the total number of users, in the 4-9 range.
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I always do [my level - 1], well, sort of. I remembered being "motivated" in giving so I can reach lvl such and such, so maybe it will create the same impact for some people. Prob not tho haha
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Minimum level is not the solution to avoid this type of entries. Specific groups (like PA, APG, U7), whitelist and invite-only forum giveaways are the ways you'll get mostly nicer people to enter and win your GAs :)
But to answer your question, I always put a level 1 barrier because level 1 is juste one game to give away, which means only members who care at least just a tiny little bit about not amassing games they're not interested into can enter. But again, not flawless at all.
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On level 1 I created only level 1 giveaways. Now I create only level 8 giveaways.
What do you guys usually do about this? It doesn't concern you?
It doesnt concern me. I just need the CV and not his/her "Thanks" -.-
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I don't mean "concern" in the fact that I don't receive a thanks, I make ga's because I want not to receive thanks. I say in the fact that problably nicer people could've won the gift instead of a person with a lot of wins, not one gift and that doesn't even care to be polite.
But I guess indelicate people are in all levels tbh.
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What do you guys usually do about this? It doesn't concern you?
Simply put - nope, not usually.
If I have something I would really like to see played, I'll put it up for a couple of groups and/or whitelist. Yet, I've still seen others ask in whitelist giveaways "Please do not enter unless you intend to play the game", and there are shameless people who never play anything, much less their wins, and still enter.
You are, of course, free to manage your giveaways as you see fit, and there are actually groups that mandate you play any wins within that group. That may be the course you wish to take. You're not going to avoid "leeches" (I hate using that word on a site dedicated to gifting ...), bots or idlers at any level, though.
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I still think leech is a good word, not that they are doing something against the rules, but I see it against the comunity itself. A person that have 2+ years in here and 400+ wins can't even be grateful when they win something for free or give at least some cheap game away? I don't know. But I get your point, I don't really mind people actually playing the game for serious or not, I just didn't want the game going for someone that just collects it and don't give a shi* :(
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I dislike using the word "leech" because it's a derogatory term - and unless we know the personal situation of each and every "leech", I don't feel right using it (I usually try to dissuade my friends from using it as well) Besides, I value other things far more than someone's level or giveaways.
I believe someone can be grateful without ever giving anything away (or giving away much less than they've won). You're going to find ingrates at every level, too, though, and I've seen some go so far as to feel "entitled" to win simply because they've given away X amount.
Then again, I'm one of those people who doesn't particularly care if someone thanks me for a win (though it's always appreciated when they do, and even more appreciated if they actually try the game.) At any rate, your giveaways are your own to do with as you please, within SG's rules. Just trying to add perspective is all, and absorb yours. Since I haven't seen you around much, welcome to SG and enjoy. :)
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I'm not specifically concerned with the people that win and don't give back, it's more the people that don't think they need to be polite on a site that doesn't charge anything and it's only up by the good will of the users that concerns me. Not that the person need to thank me specially, because I don't care all that much, but in my view if the person gain a lot of games from free in here, doesn't give anything back (yeah, it can be their situtation, but there's still a lot that this isn't the problem) and don't even think that they need to be grateful on some giveaways, that's just wrong for me.
They just take from the comunity and don't give anything back, and normally take from those that are unlucky, really want the game and can't get it. I don't know, just my thoughts on that.
Thank you for the talk, I'll take this more in consideration, I think from now I'll just put level 1 on my ga's and see where it goes from there :)
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TBH it doesn't bothers me who wins my GAs. Once the game leaves my hands it's their problem what they do with it. I do have some criteria for level requirements, mainly 2+ to try to lower chances of people that don't activate their wins, and I reserve better games to higher levels, whitelist or group.
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What do you guys usually do about this?
I blacklist.
And I suggest at least level 5 if you don't wanna get pi**ed too often.
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Double asterisks = ss
Can't write the full word or all letters will become a series of **
I get why you feel it's high. Even so, I started doing ga's for levels above mine early on. Unfortunately there are too many leechers here. I even found [he won one of my games] a person that doesn't use his steam account. He logs in only to activate the keys he wins here. He hasn't played a game since 2015. Oh, and he was online here 8 hours ago and won another game just last week.
Guess it's harder to notice this things now with Steam changing its privacy policy and all. :/
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Oh, people like that makes me so mad (`A´)
Like, I get it, you can collect games and don't play them if you want, but don't get games on giveaways sites like these from other people that could actually enjoy them just to leave them on your library rotting.
But about the level, I get your point, I'll start doing ga's for 1 - 2 and see how it goes, if I see that it didn't got any better I'll problably put the bar higher too... ^^
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I've never created a giveaway with level other than 0.
From my point of view someone with 10,000 games given and 500 won isn't more eligible to win than someone with 0 games given and 500 won. For either of them a win is just another one on the pile, but the one who gave away a lot is also flaunting their ability to get their own games, making the win even less significant. (I'm not saying that the one who gives a lot is necessarily less worthy of winning; the one who didn't give could also have a huge library. But they're definitely less worthy of winning compared to those who have won fewer games.)
I'd rather that someone who hasn't won a lot wins my games, regardless of how much they gave.
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I get your point, my main problem with those that win 500 and give nothing is that they don't even try to be cordial anymore, they just mark the gift as received and that's that, you know? Another number on their wins, like is some robots that are giving the games away, not people. And this site is movimented by people, so they should at least be grateful of what they earn, I don't know, it bothers me.
But I also understand your point about people that give a lot of games being able to get them for themselves, but I think I prefer these ones that at least give something back to won (the ideal would be people with fewer gifts or unlucky people, but unfortunaly I don't meet the requirements to enter unlucky7 as a gifter, so I'll just try to make my whitelist like that)
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Most people on the site, regardless of number of wins, aren't very cordial. I think a large part of it is blacklisting. Used to be that it was customary to say thanks when entering giveaways (it was even in the FAQ), but that annoyed some people, especially since they associated it with bots, so when blacklists arrived some gifters declared that posting 'thanks' would result in a blacklist, and that killed the practice quickly (though IIRC it was on a decline before that).
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Oh, but the "thanks" I say is mostly "oh look, I won that giveaway, let me go on the page say something like I won your giveaway, thank you for the gift!", I don't know, just in my head hahah
But I don't like as well the "thank you" that people spam without even reading the description of the giveaways
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With SGTools you allow people to enter by creating some rules. Thus, you can create a specific rule saying you want to allow people with 0 win
num_won == 0
It doesnt exclude people who just registered and never gave away. For that you have to complete the rule saying for example that they have to give at least 1 game.
num_won == 0 and num_sent > 0
These people may have sent free games (free games give 0 CV) so you have to be more specific :
num_won == 0 and real_sent_cv > 0
In fact, the more you are specific, the more you exclude people. With this rule, you exclude everybody, except people who won nothing but gave at least one "paid" game. To allow more people, you have to combine more rules. For example, you allow nobody except people who won nothing but gave at least one "paid" game OR people at least lvl 6.
(num_won == 0 and real_sent_cv > 0) or (level > 5)
SGTools is a great tool and I think badly used (because people dont take time to understand how it works, what rules exclude or think their knowledge of the system is enough to avoid some behaviors (aka putting some high lvl requirement to avoid leechers).
I'll talk about it in another comment if I can.
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Eh, level requirements don't do much. If I want to see a game played, I set up some sort of a forum event where I gather people who have a history of playing similar games/its prequels. Otherwise, you can always do forum drops with SGTools checks (game has been wishlisted for at least a while + wishlist size is small), or do the usual Playing Appreciated and similar group giveaways.
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Due to CV boosts, it barely makes a difference between level 1 or level 5. I'd say that either no level to give access to everyone (including bots, leechers and spammers) or 6+.
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My opinion:
I think you have to be clear with yourself and what you want. Do you want the game to be played? Do you want to give to someone who give back on Steamgifts? more than he wins? To someone active on Steamgfits (including discussions etc.)? To someone who give to the community and not exclusive groups or regions? There are differents answer for all these questions. Putting a level requirement is not enough.
Whitelist and groups can be combined when creating your giveaway.
Keep in mind there are "leechers" from lvl0 to 10. In fact it depends of your vision of the leech. Lvl10 people had to give alot to be there: Do you think they deserve to win more than they give? Answer is not so simple because there are some people creating exclusivly region locked giveaways or exchanging games inside small and private groups, thus leveling with minimal public giveaways. Are these people worthy? It's you to decide.
What is sure:
Personally, i use public system for quick GA of minor games. And I use it for game I can't give to group or whitelist because everybody already own it. Lvl 0 to 5 are the same for me. My last one was lvl5 and i got 2 bad ratio winners (and minor problem with the reception of the game). Most of the entries got bad ratio as well → It's less fun for me. I gave DLC months ago, on the 130+ entries, nobody owned the base game... no comment
I whitelist people I consider worthy: active people, fair ratio, from whom I won a lot. I do some random whitelist according ratio and account checking. I try to give them some good games when I can (but most of them already own alot).
I dont give in order to the game to be play or I give it to a friend directly.
I participate to some exclusive groups but I always check and try to keep a minimum part of public giveaways (actually 43%).
I sometimes use SGTools to filter and discover more "worthy" people.. It allowed me to whitelisted some users, to do some statistics and better understand the system. Thus I discovered some high leveled "worthy" users always give to some others ( 90%+ region locked or exclusive groups giveaways). ESGST is great to do some stats. → I'm working on advanced SGTools rules but It's not intentend to be some permanent rules, more some experience.
I blacklist some dumb users and mega leechers.
Hope it helps.
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Woah, that's a lot of useful information!
I think I didn't explained very well about my vision of who should win specifically, so I'll try to explain. I don't exactly want the games to be played a lot or to give just to people that never won anything, I just wanted to avoid people that think it's their "right" to win and don't even are polite to appreciate the people that provide them the free games (and I'm not even talking about me receiving a thanks, I'm talking about their wins in general, they don't even leave one comment). I'm still not sure in how to use sgtools, it's really complicated for me, but it also seems to be hella useful so I'll try to do my best to understand. I normally don't do posts of giveaways on the thread because I don't know many people in here and always think I'm gonna be ignored hahah So I didn't tried to do a giveaway from here because of that.
I'll think better of who I think I should focus on and how to do it, this comment really helped me, thanks a lot!
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You're welcome.
What I didn't told is that my way to give changed with my experience on the site, according my leveling and the interaction with others. When I started I did lvl0 public giveaway then I builded my whitelist (and it's not static, sometimes check it again etc. Same for the blacklist etc.). The more I give, the more I know what I don't want to see and how to do it. I don't have solution to avoid people who don't leave a comment (except for some public winners, I always received at least a thanks) when they win but with time I'm sure you'll find a good way to give, your way.
Thanks for ♥, cu
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I wouldn't be concerned about levels at all if it wasn't for those, ehm, special people with like 100 gifts won vs 0 given. Started making giveaways with a simple SGTools filter where I set the ratio to at least 1 game sent for every 2 (sometimes 3) games won. Working like a charm ;)
People always assume that only high level users play their wins so they set their requirements to like lvl 5+, that's incredibly unfair to many lower lever users. But this kind of mentality is bound to happen I suppose, with the way how SG encourages elitism :/
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When the opposite is often true, higher levels tend to be atrocious at playing their won games, even when you write it as a specific requirement in the giveaway that only people who will play the game should enter. Got a few level 10's blacklisted due to it :(
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Yeah, SGTools offer a couple of helpful filters (if you know how to set them, which I've never learned, besides the simple ones). No problem and good luck :)
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I still have to understand what bots specifically do on this website and how (and why) someone takes his time to make such bots through I don't know which PC programs xD
anyways you got lots of awesome replies and information here <3
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No level requirement for WL, WL group and group giveaways.
Level 2 for SGTools trains and level 3 for SGTools thread giveaways.
Public giveaways ranging from level 0 to level X.
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I kinda understand your point, mine is not to give the game to someone that will play it or people with good ratio (I don't even care for good ratios tbh), I just want to give to someone that isn't an butthole (what's really dificult to know hahah)
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Level 2 if it's region restricted, level 6 if it's not.
But I mostly just do whitelist giveaways with no level requirement now.
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So, I'm kinda new in here and I'm just now starting to get some money to actually do giveaways (most of the games aren't great, but its what I can do for now) and I get really sad when someone with "500 wins, 0 gifts" win some of my games, specially the ones that are worth playing.
And what is more strange for me is that the person normally doesn't even say thank you? I mean, you aren't obligated to say thank you, but the person just activates the key and mark as received and that's that. Just one more game on the 400+ wins for them.
What do you guys usually do about this? It doesn't concern you? I was thinking about putting the level requirement of the giveaway on 2 but I'm not even in this level yet, so I don't know if I can/should do that.
I have some games that are actually good to give so I really don't want them to go to some person that just adds games to the library to get steamcards from them and doesn't even give back on steamgifts :(
What are your thoughts on that? Thank you for reading, hope you have a great night!
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