Nice price - going first - never on sale = obvious. :P
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A lot of people are selling gifts that get revoked, especially in the past, when there was a plague of DayZ and GTA V revoked gifts.
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Also, don't worry, you may get your keys back, as long as you have enough proof. I bought 2 GTA V gifts from a trusted trader in the past and he turned out to a scammer and the gifts got revoked. Steam support returned me only 20 of my 40 tf2 keys. :P
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First of all, this happened a lot of time ago, so I don't know if steam support will need the same time to answer your ticket. But it usually takes 5-7 days to answer, I think. Thank you, but don't worry, I'm much more careful now. It makes me angry, because he was a trustworthy trader, but he decided at that moment to make a big fast profit by selling multiple GTA V gifts to many people with stolen paypal. What a degenerate! And I really wonder why steam support only returned me 20 keys, instead of 40, but it's still something. xD Sorry for your loss. I hope you'll get everything back. Also, report him on steamrep (or on an affiliated with steamrep site that it's faster) and -rep him on steamgifts.
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Trust me, you should also report him. The more reports, the faster the ban. And why did they think that I only got one copy? :P
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Seeing that TheLuckyShamrock said that his issue was very long ago (I'm assuming more than a year ago?), I think you should not be too hopeful about getting your keys back.
The reason: Steam recently (less than a year ago), changed the gifts system where newly bought gifts can not be traded until after a certain time period (http://www.pcgamer.com/valve-explains-the-reasoning-behind-steam-gift-restrictions/). This is to prevent chargebacks and such scams from happening, because they were happening too often before that and they had to devote too much resource on it. So seeing that you bypassed their safety net, there is a high chance they would not help you get your stuff back.
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If you meant by steam banning him, it will almost never happen. At most you could get him labeled as a scammer on steamrep, and suspended on steamgifts (if he has a steamgifts profile).
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Yea, but it is super rare. I'm not that sure about this but I think in the past where they trade banned people, it was because they did frauds on more than 1 occasion (i.e many chargebacks can be done within a time period on 1 credit card, without much repercussion, because it might not be the user's fault, like perhaps his card was stolen or something and misused). Steam only bans people when they are absolutely sure that the person is playing with the system. (so it is not that hard to get away with it, if they are doing it for the first time)
Edit: I assume your 'fraud multiple times' is the guy scamming alot of people at one time with the chargebacks. (He can just buy alot of gifts and scam alot of people then call his bank to say that his card was misused(within a week to a month), so all the gifts is chargedback at once)
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Banned for fraud or scam? Also what are the time period between the 'multiple times'?
Anyway steam rarely bans people though, so don't be too hopeful about it. Also if you know he is banned on alot of trading sites, you should not have done the trade with him. (Also I'm curious how much +rep and -rep he has on his steamgifts profile, could you tell me? Or does he even have a steamgifts profile?)
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Right, never accept gifts in trades- the only thing Valve accepts responsibility for are trades made within the same trade window, and they explicitly state they won't honor any trades made outside of that format, even if through two back-to-back trade window usages.
A month may seem like a long while, but that's apparently the limit for credit card chargeback- you just gotta be patient and wait the month, and accept that anyone who isn't willing to is likely trying to scam you.
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Once I told someone that it doesn't matter who goes first with a giftable only game, it can be revoked later. You should never trade with low reps (below 200) or impersonators (obviously)
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Why never trade with people with rep lower than 200? o.O We're not all scammers and we have to feed our library with games too. :'(
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I meant giftable only (probably keys for AAA games too, unless they were free or price glitches). And the reason? Well you have a bigger chance of getting scammed by those people.
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I sell only giftable copies too. Don't scare my customers. xD Anyway, yeah, if he wants to be careful, he should better trade within the steam trade window.
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Well, I'm not saying you are a scammer but I suggest you avoid getting giftable only games from people with less than 200 positive reps.
Nothing personal, just to be safe. Even high reps can scam you
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The problem was I had some extra keys I couldn't think were to invest, so i thought "nice this could be a nice quick way to get more keys, also he goes first".
But thanks for the tip, that I already know too late now, but I will keep it in mind
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I suppose you never go for steam profile reps, if you ever care about steamprofile reps you are asking to be scammed. You should use steamtrades, tf2outpost, sourceop and others.
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Steamrep only is useless if the guy was not reported, you should at least check steamtrades profile (SG)
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Actually for almost all trades on this site you should check his steamgifts profile (unless the trade is done totally in the trade window, i.e no steam keys/non-tradable stuff involved). There are alot of scammers lurking around this site and they prey on those with little rep (less than +50) very often because those people are often easier to scam.
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You can't delete -rep on steamgifts. What you are saying is applicable to steam profiles reps only. (I think you might have a misconception there.) Also if you "Gave me X item and I will +rep you!", and you are found out you will be suspended on steamgifts because it is against the rules to do so.
Edit: Seems you were talking about steam profile reps all along. My bad
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To be honest it is not too easy to fake reps on SG. And please, read twice. I said to not trade with giftable only, you still can trade other stuff and get reps.
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You made 2 statements that are completely separate as far as what you wrote is concerned.
Namely these two: "giftable only can be revoked" and "never trade with low reps".
There is a very big difference between "You should never trade with low reps" and "You should never trade giftable only with low reps".
While it might have been your intention to make a single statement, you did not.
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I said "Once I told someone that it doesn't matter who goes first with a giftable only game, it can be revoked later. You should never trade with low reps (below 200) or impersonators (obviously)."
That's called context, I was obviously talking about giftable only games.
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I am assuming you are saying the reps for steamgifts. So..
You can't delete -rep on steamgifts. What you are saying is applicable to steam profiles reps only. (I think you might have a misconception there.) Also if you "Gave me X item and I will +rep you!", and you are found out you will be suspended on steamgifts because it is against the rules to do so.
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I believe Steam's return policy counts only when the trade was done in the same window.
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Think it happens only for the 1st time though (if you request help for the second time and onwards, they wont be obliged to help). Also there were alot of changes in steam in recent times, so previous stuff might not apply the same way now.
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Seeing the trade topic you recently closed you prolly thought it was a great way to make some profit on it.
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But 14 keys for a game that just released? Come on you have to think better before accepting a deal like that. If it looks to good to be true it usually is.
Did the guy at least had any rep at all or was it an impersonator?
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Well, he told me that he couldn't buy keys on market, and he could only sell gifts for keys. But being not tradable he needed to go first and he could have done that only by someone with a nice profile (like mine) and with a cheaper price.
It was reasonable and I thought hey why not.
Also couldn't think you can revoke game gifts like that sincerely.
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This might sound harsh but I hope you've learned from this. Install Enhanced Steam for your browser, it wont help you in a situation like this but its a good way to filter out the scammers.
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some rando contacted me asking if I still had any keys - yes, what do you have to offer?
two trading cards...
After a while, I asked if s/he thought I was retarded, after which s/he said s/he was in the hospital, and really really wanted to play a game.
Fucking muppet
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Sorry to hear. :-(
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Also there are impersonators that don't have an account here, lurking in the SG trades looking for victims.
One of them already impersonated 7 SG traders already this week including me.
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What shpasic said is not right. The game will still be removed, if the purchaser chargebacks on the transaction.
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The game will still be removed from your library if the purchaser of the gift chargebacks on the purchase.
There will be a message popup that states that your game is removed due to chargeback when you login on steam, if it happens (I know from experience).
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Because the gift buyer (a.k.a. 'scammer') probably initiated a chargeback with the bank/credit card company or PayPal.
They did not start the refund process within the Steam rules.
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It's a shame that people (I use that term loosely) that do this can't be charged by whatever authorities would have jurisdiction. It is fraud after all. For myself, I always use the Steam Trade Window only, and that is because I am paranoid.
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I usually do this too, but I already traded some games like this (or giving them myself, or buying them), but it never occured that someone revoked it only to gain some dollars.
Trading in steam trade window only it's probably the best thing to do
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I am sure this is small consolation to you, but at least it looks like you have learned from your mistake.
There are people that continually let themselves get taken because they are either incredibly naïve or greedy. And the scammers keep licking their greasy, slimy lips all the while.
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As long as you don't do this particular action again, you should be okay.:)
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can't isn't the right word. They could totally be charged. But, first the authorities would need to be notified, then they would need to investigate. Then they need to (a) understand what's going on, and (b) figure out how to convey it in a court of law. Only then will it ever lead to an arrest.
They're not gonna do this for small stuff. But if you drop evidence in their lap showing that the scammer has scammed for thousands of dollars, then maybe they'll look into it.
(put it this way, if they have to decide between investigating this or a violent robbery, odds are they'll go for the robbery every time)
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That's true. I do wonder how many of these scammers really are "big fish" and how many of them are just ones that took advantage of just a small amount of people.
Some law enforcement agencies do have a section set aside just for Cybercrime. This would fall into this category I am sure, but you are right that most of the people that they could go after probably wouldn't be worth the resources spent to investigate them. It's a shame, but sadly also a reality.
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Yeah, that actually makes more sense. Those are much more vile and need to be taken care of right away anyhow.
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From what I know, there could be a 30 days time if the gifts sits in a friends library/inventory.
If the game goes to another library (example: you buy a gift, then you send it to another friend), it shouldn't be revoked.
But those are suppositions so don't take them as true :P
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I know prices, that it's what I should need to know for trading.
If there's some trading I can't accept because if I do they're going to take away items or game gift from my inventory, then I shouldn't even trade with people who trade gifts with dispenser.tf . I already traded some not-tradable game gifts (like i bought Undertale for 3 keys 1 month after his release) and nothing bad happened.
And what do you mean by greedy? This dude I traded with just came to me saying he would sell it for a price i found convenient and that he would go first, so I accepted, thinking I could resell it.
It's that being "super greedy"?
I learned my lesson.
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Welp, got scammed again today.
Someone sold me a gift for xcom 2 at a nice price (14 keys) yesterday, and he also went first (it was only giftable). It was a great deal, considering it never got on sale...too great.
Today I found out he revoked the gift, and he did this to a lot of people. Already contacted steam support tho, so I will wait like 3 weeks to get my keys back...I hope.
Someone else got scammed this way?
WELL, SADNESS GIVEAWAY IN THE MEANTIME
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/6x6z7/axis-game-factorys-agfpro-v3
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